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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 8, 2023 at 10:46 a.m.

Thread: Army of castoffs

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DLussier</b></div><div>Mike Reilly is a buyout cost of $333,333, why in the hell would the Bruins give up all that draft capital and retain 😂😂😂😂😂</div></div>

With a buyout they get to pay 1.33 million again the following year, so that’s fun for them.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 8, 2023 at 3:22 a.m.

Thread: Army of castoffs

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ennis</b></div><div>Preds would rather hang onto Fabbro then take Myers at any price.</div></div>

Fair enough. I figured Myers at 3.25 million and Beauvillier would each be positive value rentals for a playoff team at the deadline. Nobody here is moving the needle in any real way.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 30, 2023 at 1:56 p.m.

Thread: Bare bones

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>No thanks to that trade

2mill top 4 Dman for 2 more seasons. Thats a steal

Not great Florida series but was a monster in Tampa.

New GM wont touch him as Shanny will tell him we just got him so no moving</div></div>

Yeah, now that I think about it, given what they gave up to get him, I think the new GM would get roasted for trading him.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 30, 2023 at 12:53 p.m.

Thread: Bare bones

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jijm</b></div><div>leafs say no, they just acquired mccabe they're not trading him for another forward</div></div>

New GM and he just had a poor playoffs, but you’re probably right.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 11, 2022 at 12:54 p.m.

Thread: Yes Ive lost my mind

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Spanky227</b></div><div>Why would rangers ever do that?</div></div>

Maybe they wouldn’t? I don’t know.

Would they want Pearson? I’m not sure, but with Strome, Copp, Vatrano and Motte set for FA, they might need a middle six forward. If you look at those guys Drury seems to be adding, Pearson seems in that mold.

As for value, mid to late first for early-ish second is not a big acquisition cost. Rangers are a playoff team.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 10, 2022 at 8:53 p.m.

Thread: Yes Ive lost my mind

Really seems like Klingberg wants the home run contract and Nill seems unlikely to give it to him. Shattenkirk is sneaky good but just at that age where D start falling out of the top 4.

Honestly, I just looked at Dallas and thought “they might want a RHD like Myers”. It sounded like there are suddenly suitors for Myers but I have no idea who that might be.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 10, 2022 at 8:16 p.m.

Thread: Yes Ive lost my mind

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justaBoss</b></div><div>I have to disagree. DAL usually doesn't make stupid trades.

They like veterans yes to a troubling extent, but they don't often overpay for crap they don't need.

If anything they'd sign him as UFA for too much money.</div></div>

What’s the plan post-Klingberg? Any ideas?

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 10, 2022 at 8:15 p.m.

Thread: Yes Ive lost my mind

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jgimp69</b></div><div>Not that Garland isn’t worth it but I’d be holding onto that 1st with every fibre of my being. It may very well be a lotto pick as knowing the Jets org, not much may change this off-season and next year might be just as much a tire fire as this year was.
I am not against moving picks/prospects, but if we are moving those assets, we better get our coveted RHD first.</div></div>

The risk of it being top five is a big scary red flag (also what makes it enticing for the Canucks). This might be the year Jets can cash out on Wheeler’s productive season and maybe take a run at Klingberg in FA?

Who am I kidding, the Jets never make big free agency signings. Your plan is better.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 10, 2022 at 8:00 p.m.

Thread: Yes Ive lost my mind

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justaBoss</b></div><div>Stars decline thanks. Not a fan of Myers and his contract. Would need you to pay us for taking that deal.</div></div>

Yeah to be fair, so would I. I get the feeling Dallas is the sort of team that would make this trade in real life, where Myers bizarrely holds some actual value.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsApr. 7, 2022 at 5:22 p.m.

Thread: Who wins the blockbuster

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Cowling</b></div><div>I'd say Philly wins by a bit but it's pretty much even. Very scary OEL contract though.</div></div>

Yeah, lots of risk to go around. I’d imagine both teams would want deals for Miller and Sanheim prior to trade, which probably means tens of millions more dollars on contracts that bring those players into their mid-30s.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJan. 31, 2022 at 6:42 p.m.

Thread: Well this is not what I expected

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hobo</b></div><div>Yeah - I am getting the sense he may a bitter leaf fan at this point? So much hate against the Bruins. Either that or perhaps a habs fan LOL This trade is bad for the Bruins on so many levels. the moment OEL is included it just makes this stupid for the Bruins - you would be better offer with the trade without OEL</div></div>

The only reason to offer Miller to the Bruins would be because OEL might waive to go there. That's the point. Otherwise, Boston doesn't have the pieces to make a competitive offer without wrecking their own playoff chances (or purely picks, but this is capfriendly and that's a boring trade).

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJan. 30, 2022 at 1:29 p.m.

Thread: Well this is not what I expected

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>T_Hip</b></div><div>Better off Keeping OEL and NOT taking those scrubs for 3M a piece.
Boston have ZERO decent prospects....ZERO. Like I said....they want Miller, it costs 3 1st rounders. Maybe Boston should stop being cheap and start using LTIR money. They cheaped out the last two years and did not claim a penny of it. Giving up 5M in cap and not taking any back is savings enough.</div></div>

Vancouver and Boston have different contention windows. Boston’s is right now, Vancouver is a few years away at best. OEL’s age and contract will hurt down the line, which is a bigger deal for a rebuilder than a contender. That’s the main “piece” coming back, and OEL was reportedly willing to waive to go to Boston before.

A first is a first. The more I think about it, maybe you get protections like Ottawa had with San Jose - make it a conditional 2023 pick that becomes a 2024 pick if Boston makes the playoffs next year.

DeBrusk and Reilly help make the numbers work. Reilly is a quietly effective D. DeBrusk could be something or you could not qualify him.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJan. 28, 2022 at 8:39 p.m.

Thread: Well this is not what I expected

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>T_Hip</b></div><div>Rielly and Debrusk are throw ins and offer no value to the Canucks. A late first does not even come close to the value of JT.
Get rid of those two players, and make it 3 first round pick and then maybe.
If Bos doesn't want to pay the price, enjoy losing in the first round.</div></div>

"A team that's up against the cap and not in the playoffs is not a great thing." - Jim Rutherford

This opens up a lot of cap flexibility for a team that is retooling at best, rebuilding at worst. There’s real value in that which I think you’re underrating here, particularly if the prospects on offer from other teams are underwhelming.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJan. 28, 2022 at 6:35 p.m.

Thread: Well this is not what I expected

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>You might want to start smaller LOL. Anybody would be interested in Miller, but no one is going to take on OEL for the chance to get him. Adding OEL depreciates Miller's value (Which IMO is a first round pick and a pretty good prospect or young NHLer). Add OEL and you can take away one or the other.</div></div>

You saw the OEL trade in the summer. To me it’s pretty similar, with OEL a year older but coming off a bounce back year and Miller holding more value than Garland.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJan. 28, 2022 at 2:44 p.m.

Thread: Well this is not what I expected

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>So you want BOS to pay for the privilege of taking on OEL's albatross of a contract?
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I want Boston to pay for the privilege of acquiring JT Miller.

The assumption in Vancouver has been that Boston (who reportedly asked about Miller) can’t compete with offers from teams with deeper prospect pools (Rangers, Wild, Flames). I think they can, and this would be how - eat a bad contract, go all in while the Bergeron Marchand core are still elite and buy out OEL on the back-end.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 8, 2021 at 10:22 p.m.

Thread: What in the world is Boesers trade value

Good to know he’s untouchable - I can avoid posting my “Rossi for four Vancouver firsts” and “Rossi for Hughes Horvat and Hoglander” proposals.

Honestly, the main reason I posted this is because I’m not yet convinced Guerin knows what he wants to do with his roster. Looking at key guys like Spurgeon I wonder how much he’s looking to build around mid-twenties to early thirties players.

Do the Minny fans here feel confident Bill’s got this?

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 6, 2021 at 10:19 p.m.

Thread: What in the world is Boesers trade value

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CAPDumba</b></div><div>Minnesota doesn't want boeser! Minnesota doesn't need winger! In what world do you actually believe Minnesota is going to trade a Top c prospect much less a 2nd round pick for a player they don't need. Thus boeser to Minnesota proposal and the beyond overvaluing of him and several other Canucks players need to stop. Again no way, no how. Minnesota has zero interest in boeser</div></div>

So I’ll put you down as “maybe”?

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 4, 2021 at 4:30 p.m.

Thread: How much do you hate this sports fans

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>I hate it just because I see so much potential in Dobson, and his offensive talents will be wasted behind Hughes. It's an outstanding deal for the Canucks, and actually pretty good for the Islanders, cause they need scoring.

But I can't see the Islanders coming back and making the playoffs, so it's a waste of a first rounder IMO</div></div>

I guess I see it as NYI’s scoring has cratered this year. Next year they’d have Miller at a very reasonable 2.6 million cap hit for 22-23 and if it works they can try to extend him and if it doesn’t they sell him by the 2023 trade deadline.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsNov. 22, 2021 at 3:17 p.m.

Thread: Weird priorities

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>LOL.
The problem is, MTL already has 5 or 6 Bo Horvat type players on their roster signed for above value and term. 40-55 points a year, even or a little below +/-, good leadership qualities, but no real wow factor (Gallagher, Anderson, Dvorak, Hoffman, etc) It all came together last year, but that was mostly because Price played out of his mind, and the young guys stepped up.
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Yeah fair. With how the year has gone, it really looks like they miss Danault though.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsNov. 22, 2021 at 12:07 p.m.

Thread: Weird priorities

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gmonwy</b></div><div>Horrible for Vancouver</div></div>

If a Flames fan hates it, I guess I’ve done a good job of countering my own bias.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsNov. 21, 2021 at 6:59 p.m.

Thread: Lundell takes over

Let’s just call this what it is, an attempt to escape Poolman’s contract. I don’t see why Florida is interested.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsNov. 16, 2021 at 10:13 a.m.

Thread: Rebuilds ruin friendships

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>I'd say it's not time just yet for the Canucks to blow up their team</div></div>

I don’t see this team being a contender in the next two seasons and so getting what you can for Horvat and Miller seems reasonable to me.

Honestly, I see a lot of the 2009-10 Tampa Bay Lightning in this group but getting over that hump requires more in the system. Team can’t expect a Kucherov, Palat 2011 home run draft, but they can influence those odds over the next few season by getting picks. They need to fill in the group coming up behind Pettersson Hughes and Hoglander IMO.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsNov. 16, 2021 at 9:46 a.m.

Thread: Rebuilds ruin friendships

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Icedragon4405</b></div><div>Devils only trade Ty Smith to the Canucks for Quinn Hughes</div></div>

But also honestly, I agree. Doesn’t fit their timeline. If there’s a team much more likely to rush the rebuild, it’s probably the Rangers.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsNov. 16, 2021 at 9:43 a.m.

Thread: Rebuilds ruin friendships

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>I've heard Ty Smith in a fair number of trade proposals involving New Jersey as oppose to Jack Hughes, Shakir Mukhamadullin, let alone Dawson Mercer or Alexander Holtz, so I don't know that his value as a prospect is quite what it was maybe a year or two ago.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Icedragon4405</b></div><div>Devils only trade Ty Smith to the Canucks for Quinn Hughes</div></div>

And there it is, a trade where nobody is happy. Nice work, everyone.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 30, 2020 at 6:41 p.m.

Thread: Flat cap is awful

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>brocklesnar</b></div><div>VAN is not moving Virtanen. Canucks will re-sign Markstrom, he is priority number 1.</div></div>

What’s it like in the future? Did the Canucks get Lafreniere or no?

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