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Forum: NHL TradesMar. 24 at 10:09 p.m.
Thread: (PIT/MTL/SJS) - Granlund, Rutta, Petry, DeSmith, Légaré, 2024 1st (PIT), 2025 2nd (PIT) for Pitlick, Hoffman for Karlsson, Hamaliuk, 2026 3rd (SJS)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Andy_Dick</b></div><div>It’s weird that you think they lost anything ...</div></div>

I'm not saying they lost, not even close. After all, Mike Hoffman was a cap dump and Rem Pitlick is a slightly overpaid injury call-up. They gave up nothing they wanted to keep and got back assets. I'm just saying they didn't win by as much as people first thought they did. They turned three of those assets into a 3rd, a 4th, and an AHLer. THIS trade was a win, but everything since then has been a miss.

On the other hand, it is very likely Kyle Dubas will be forced to blow up the Penguins next year and that 2024 pick will turn into a very high 2025 pick. The plurality of people picked Pittsburgh as the winner here and I think a lot of them are regretting that vote, especially if they have to pay assets to get rid of Erik Karlsson.
Forum: NHL TradesMar. 24 at 5:16 a.m.
Thread: (PIT/MTL/SJS) - Granlund, Rutta, Petry, DeSmith, Légaré, 2024 1st (PIT), 2025 2nd (PIT) for Pitlick, Hoffman for Karlsson, Hamaliuk, 2026 3rd (SJS)
I wonder if most people still think Pittsburgh won this trade.

Erik Karlsson is not living up to that contract, not even close. Plus, that 1st rounder will be a LOT better than expected, so much so that it might not happen this year. It's top ten protected and they are 9th worst right now. If it is not top-ten protected next year and the team doesn't do something major, then this could be a disaster.

Meanwhile, San Jose took on three bad contracts and two of them have actually done well enough this year to earn their paychecks. If they hit on that 1st, then they've easily won.

Montreal traded away all three players they got, so it is really hard to tell how well they did in the trade. For example, Casey DeSmith is playing awesome this year, but they don't have him. They have the very under-performing Pearson and a 3rd in 2025. That's bad, but can you deduct points on this trade?
Forum: NHL TradesMar. 9 at 9:26 p.m.
Thread: (SJS/VGK) - Hertl, 2025 3rd (SJS), 2027 3rd (SJS) for Edstrom, 2025 1st (VGK)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Andy_Dick</b></div><div>You’re talking like Hertl is ancient. 30 ain’t old.</div></div>

Peak for NHL forwards is 28-29. By 32, they tend to have a serious drop off. Furthermore, he's not that good right now. He's a 60-point centre who isn't good defensively.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Andy_Dick</b></div><div>Your reasoning is basically give nothing up ever for anyone because they can age out.</div></div>

No, my reasoning is this:
1.) He's not living up to his contract now. He's not even living up to the reduced contract Vegas has to pay.
2.) He's 30 already, which is past the peak for an NHL forward and this already bad contract has six more years on it.
3.) You don't give up a 1st and a solid prospect for a bad contract, not even with two 3rds coming back.