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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 8, 2019 at 9:51 p.m.
Thread: Go easy on me Im bored
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Maj</b></div><div>bold plan but i dont think they would be willing to give up some their core players no matter how you sweeten the pot, but i think you might have to throw in one more guy they can throw in the line, but if I was florida I would still say no, since Ekblad is a D , and the going price for D is diamonds.

Also florida only has 5.4 mil left to the cap limit, no way they can sign marner</div></div>

I think both teams say no. Marner would command too much money for Florida. Leafs wouldn't want to lose Johnsson due to his team friendly deal and solid top 6 role, Liljegren due to his unlimited upside I doubt he gets moved until his true potential is more apparent, and Ekblad with his injuries and underperformance is one giant question mark. Huberdeau is solid, but has also underperformed until last season.

Leafs probably try and steal more than that for any sort of Marner deal.
Florida doesn't want to give up their #1 pick and their top winger, or sign Marner.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 8, 2019 at 9:24 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 8, 2019 at 7:17 p.m.
Thread: Marner
Especially with the state Montreal is in right now, the leafs take the 4 first rounders. Weber who is declining heavily and often injured, Price seems like he has declined as well and getting paid 10.5 until he's 38, Marner is a steep price for any winger at any age. over 30 million tied up in those 3 players, which limits you from being a contender until the cap goes up significantly. As a leafs fan, I can admit I have said this all throughout the season. Marner is a great player but he is also a product of his surroundings. He isn't substantially better, more creative or a better passer than 2 years ago. He plays with one of the best goal scorers in the game and puts up 94. If he had domi as his C I would say he averages 75-80 for the duration of his contract. Unreal numbers for a winger, but not number that are worth $12million/year.

On a side note, i would personally not want this at all as a Montreal fan. 4 first round picks from a team who hasn't made it out of the first round in 5 years and has not improved significantly are so valuable. Caufield, Kotkaniemi and Domi look like a good starting point for a rebuild. Move the bad contracts, let young guys develop, draft well, and then push for a cup.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 4, 2019 at 10:54 p.m.
Thread: Can Leafs match
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>Don’t think a ufa has ever signed max value. But way to completely ignore my point</div></div>

Because there hasn't been a player of that quality, still yet to reach their prime ever hit unrestricted free agency. Im not ignoring your point. Just because RFAs are getting paid more than they used to doesn't mean RFAs and UFAs are close to getting paid the same. The price of both are rising equally fast. If a potentially elite RFA winger gets 10 million dollars a year without max term, then at that time the gap is closing. An exact comparable to Marner, maybe even valued a bit higher just signed for 8.5 x 5. Neither Rantanen or Point will get 10 and they are better than MM. Its just stir created by the media, and people who don't like the leafs are biting and getting excited for the leafs to potentially implode.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 4, 2019 at 10:48 p.m.
Thread: 2 mil
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>capsin9</b></div><div>If he was willing to sign for 9 million wtf isn’t he signed yet haha seem pretty open and shut doesn’t it? Stop drinking from the denial river broham</div></div>

look at marners agent (Darren Ferris). all of his RFA clients that are top 6 guys he asks absurd amounts for, threatens the team (Move to Europe, offer sheets coming, etc), leaks a higher value to the media, and then eventually settles for close to what the team wants on a bridge around training camp. Marner being in Toronto creates the perfect storm, the media amplify this situation, increase he perceived value, and create a stir and fear amongst fans. the thing is, NHL GM's know the value of an RFA winger who is potentially elite leaving his ELC does not exceed 10 million dollars. Thats why there have been no offer sheets accepted, if he was worth more than $10million someone would pay him that, its clear the leafs don't want to unless its serious term.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 4, 2019 at 9:40 p.m.
Thread: Marner not going anywhere
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Buds92</b></div><div>If Marner was willing to sign for 10 x 6 or 7, the deal would be done by now. He's not signing anything that doesn't start with at least a 9.</div></div>

if the leafs were going to pay him 10 million over 3 years the deal would also likely be done by now. Without buying UFA years, Marner's contract decreases in value significantly. While I think 7.5 is low, 8 x 3 is realistic imo.
You have to realize the leafs know marners camp set his value through talking with the media. Without the media hype, and marners dad and agent saying 11 million, people would be saying if the leafs are only getting 3 years, that 8 million is far too much.
The thing is, 4 years is off the table because he walks right to UFA. 5 years is very very unlikely because then Marner, Matthews and Willy are all UFA's at the same time. that leaves 6, where he would get 10+, or 2 or 3 where the number likely starts with an 8 or very very low 9.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 3, 2019 at 12:24 a.m.
Thread: Marner discussion thoughts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>I think the new-age of GM doesn't take personal offense to an in-coming offer sheet. In some cases, the offering team is doing the current GM a favour by getting the player to agree to terms. To me, Aho is a slam dunk at that # and Bergevin did the Canes a favour.

You obviously want to negotiate on your own terms...but if you're at a stalemate, it's not the worst thing in the world to have a player vs. picks option to choose from.

When Burke flew off the handle at the Dustin Penner offer sheet, he wasn't so much pissed at the offer sheet so much as he was pissed off that Edmonton was eliminating the "2nd contract"...something that appears to have come true.</div></div>

while I don't think they take is as personally, something like just submitting an offer sheet to drive the price of a player up and lose a player to UFA sooner is unprecedented. you can bet that those 4 year offer sheets at a reasonable amount would be going out to every single RFA not signed by July 1st if GMs were comfortable with it. Players would love to hit UFA sooner, opposing GMs would too. so there has to be something stopping them, which is likely just fear of retaliation.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 3, 2019 at 12:13 a.m.
Thread: This could be it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MTLFAN27</b></div><div>That's going to be rough with the UFA's next year
Tyson Barrie (Commands in between 8-9M)
Jake Muzzin (Commands in between 4.5-5M)
Cody Ceci (Commands 5M)
Jason Spezza (Re-ups at minimum)
Nick Shore (Dito to Spezza)
Michael Hutchinson (Dito to Spezza and Shore)
Travis Dermott (RFA) (Commands 3M Bridge)
+8.5M at minimum
+10M at max</div></div>

Likely go for one of Barrie, Muzzin, Spurgeon, Vatanen, Hamonic, Pietrangelo from UFA. Sign Dermott, Sandin and Liljegren make the jump to the NHL. Top 6 of Rielly-UFA, Dermott-Liljegren, Sandin-1.5m UFA. forward group basically stays the same.
8.5 on top UFA D + 1.5 on bottom pair D costs the leafs pretty much the same as Ceci, Muzzin and Barrie right now.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 2, 2019 at 11:13 p.m.
Thread: Guessing
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eclipze</b></div><div>It’s funny when it comes to paying Marner all of a sudden he’s no better than those guys but once the who would you rather have question comes up leaf fans have 838479293 reasons why Marner is better than any of them. And BTW 5 of the 12 teams with more cap available than the leafs made the playoffs last year. The only way you’re gonna get those guys from their teams is by sending them an offer sheet that their team can’t afford. Not by trade. So those 1st pick you get won’t get you a player like Marner.</div></div>

any non biased leafs fan could state at any time that Marner is a great player, but also a product of his surroundings. I would say him and Rantanen are similar. Rely on MacKinnon/Tavares. I would say Point and Aho are better. I would rather have Marner/Rantanen on the leafs because they are wingers, the leafs don't need a 3rd line C at 9million. And okay, look at those 5 teams. Carolina, 11m in space, 8.5 going to Aho. St. Louis with Barbashev, Fabbri, Sanford, Sundqvist and Binnington likely taking up at least of 10 of their 13 million. Columbus with Werenski taking up a ton of Cap, then Pierre Luc Dubois, Josh Anderson and Korpisalo signing big tickets next summer. Winnipeg have Laine, Pionk, Copp, Connor taking up well over 15 million. Colorado have Rantanen, Burakovsky, Zadorov, Compher now, and Girard/Jost the following year. Don't just look at cap, look at how full their roster is too. Im not saying any one of those 4 first round picks will be Marner. But if 3/4 are top 10, or 2/4 are top 5. You are all but guaranteed one 60+ point guy if you draft properly.