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Forum: Armchair-GM1 hour ago
Thread: PLD value is dropping because of Torts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jinx21</b></div><div>I'm not sure if you're 10 years old or just significantly challenged? Maybe both.

Agree to disagree.</div></div>

Look I get you are a BJ fan but do you honestly think that a player leaving in FA is the same as an RFA wanting out and creating drama around the locker room? Even my 12 year old knows how to negotiate. No GM is ever going to give fair market value for a guy that is looking more and more like a locker room cancer. The fact that you don't have a legitimate arguement for why any GM would pay top dollar for a guy who not only wants out but is also 1. Not showing any passion on the ice and 2. Has been benched twice in 5 games is mind boggling. Rival GM's are not there to make Jarmo look good or help him win a trade they are there to get the best players available for the best price they can and they will use EVERY situation to drive the price down. It's like buying a house, If you want 500 000 and the roof needs repair I won't give you 500k I will offer 480k instead citing the repairs needed. It's called negotiations for a reason buddy. Learn it love it move on.
Forum: Armchair-GM1 hour ago
Thread: PLD book it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BStinson</b></div><div>That’s true, which is why it’s weird so many PLD to Montreal ACGMs. It’s also a small sample size for Montreal but it’s nice you guys are clicking. If Montreal doesn’t want to pony up premiere assets for him then someone else probably will.</div></div>

I don't see many teams Ponying up the assets that Jackets fans and Jarmo initially wanted. Think about it this way. GM's are hockey fans too but their job is to get the best deal possible for their own teams. They use whatever leverage is available to them to lower the market value of a player being sought after. The Dubios situation is a prime example. MB reportedly called Jarmo early on and Jarmo said Nick Suzuki. That reportedly infuriated MB to the point where he hung up the phone. I am sure a couple days later MB called back and said look here is what I am willing to give up can we work around that (let's say the package was something like Danault + Caufield + 1st for arguments sake). This time Jarmo says no and ends the call. Now if things in Columbus had been good over the last week MB probably calls Jarmo back and says ok what about Kotkaniemi + Byron + Struble + 1st and maybe Jarmo accepts. But the way things did unfold Jarmo probably calls MB and says is that Danault trade still available and MB likely says no now I will only go Danault + Armia + 1st either the deal is done or Jarmo counters with something else revolving around Danault instead of KK or Suzuki. After the last week Jarmo is not going to want this drama hanging around for another month or more. He wants to make it someone else's problem and get a decent return at this point.
Forum: Armchair-GM2 hours ago
Thread: PLD value is dropping because of Torts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jinx21</b></div><div>What's ridiculous is me continuing to converse with someone incapable of viewing things on any other level than the most simplistic plane. I mentioned both Panarin and Bob to establish a pattern of players not wanting to either A) live in Columbus and/or B) Play for that organization. Of course, neither was traded (although both signaled early their wish to move on). Both were given huge contracts, both dollar-wise and term. That signifies their public stance on not playing in Columbus was not a concern around the league.

Again, if in your little world him being benched just knocked his value down - we can agree to disagree.</div></div>

The key words in this situation is TRADE VALUE not contract value!!! A FA is available to sign wherever they want meaning that only certain teams will be in on them and they LITERALLY have to give up NOTHING in return! You are comparing a trade to a FA signing which is rediculous. A FA letting the world know that they don't want to stay where they are doesn't decrease their value because the receiving team doesn't have anything to lose. They just have to be willing to pay the player without giving up any assets. A player under contract or RFA's do not have the luxury of signing anywhere and by requesting a trade let's it be known that they are not happy. That alone decreases the leverage of that players own GM. Then when locker room conflicts become public it further weakens the GM's bargaining position as other GM's will try to low ball them just like any hockey fan on this site. It's called negotiations not give me what I want for a reason! You are a fool if you think otherwise.
Forum: Armchair-GM3 hours ago
Thread: could dubois even fit
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shanesaw9</b></div><div>My opinion:

This situation is similar to Drouin in some ways.

It took two years for Drouin to learn what he needs to do to be successful in this league, I don't really want to go through all this drama again with PLD. PLD's effort tonight was disgusting. Can't believe Torts is getting crap over this, it is one thing to not play for your coach, but it is another to not play for your team or your teammates. PLD screams cancer right now... MTL does not need to add that to the great team they have built and developed this season.

As Romanov said "We are playing like a team, we are playing like a family".</div></div>

Exactly and IF I am MB I leaned my lesson last time and stay 1000 miles away from this trade.
Forum: Armchair-GM3 hours ago
Thread: PLD value is dropping because of Torts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jinx21</b></div><div>Actually, I totally disagree with your simplistic blanket analysis of a unique and individual circumstance. I guess we can agree to disagree.</div></div>

It is not unique. Many players have demanded trades many have been benched rightfully or wrongfully. Tonight PLD definitely deserved to be benched. The other day though vs Detroit was uncalled for. I agree with Yikes here that both parties at fault for their part in the benching. Obviously there is something going on behind the scenes that needs to get resolved quickly or Columbus may be on the outside looking in come playoff time or even worse other players may start to request trades out of Columbus. Imagine if this goes on for another 2 weeks let alone months. Players will start to take sides if they already haven't it's just human nature. Imagine if Weirenski and Savard take PLD's side and Atkinson and Jones take Tortz side there could be a huge locker room blowup with multiple players just wanting out of the entire situation.
Forum: Armchair-GM3 hours ago
Forum: Armchair-GM15 hours ago
Thread: CoLucLess Blue Jackets
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mvp13</b></div><div>Too many people are judging this as a fantasy team or something. I really don't think this trade is as lopsided as anyone is saying. The relationship is only gonna get worse. I think this is a lot more believable than MTL giving up Suzuki, which would be ludacris for MTL to mess with their team chemistry right now</div></div>

I don't think that the upgrade from any of our top 3 centers right now is worth the cost of acquiring PLD. KK may not have been putting up many points so far this year but he was not playing badly and with the break though for both him and Toffoli last night I look for that line to really turn it up a notch in the next few games. Suzuki has been lights out and continues to rocket towards legitimate 1C potential. Danault has been rock steady Danault!
Forum: Armchair-GM15 hours ago
Thread: CoLucLess Blue Jackets
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bluejackets2000</b></div><div>CBJ is not going to lose. He is still under team control.
AND there are a ton of teams that would want him (probably all 30 NHL teams)
By standing by the position that the Jackets are going to lose out on any trade for Dubois so might as well take your lowball trade above is ludicruous.
Every GM in the league is going to come in with a low ball offer and expect to land him?
There will be a package that is suitable for his true value, and the CBJ preference would be to send him out West, not to a division rival.
Otherwise, they just hold on to him until the time is right.
He still wants to play hockey and get paid.</div></div>

Everyone keeps forgetting the X factor in all of this. That is the relationship between PLD and Tortz. It is all well and good for Jarmo to say that he will wait for the "right" deal to come along but PLD and Tortz have lost respect for each other. How long can Jarmo really expect that to stay out of the locker room? From what I have seen, PLD is trying to remain professional and keep things from boiling over to a minimum. However Tortz has not been too professional about it, He benched PLD for no apparent reason the other day vs Detroit then when he did play him he put him on a makeshift 4th line. I don't think PLD will stand for that too many more times IMO without saying anything publicly. If that happens Jarmo will lose control of the situation and will be forced to make any deal that he can to get the conflict out of the dressing room. So yes Jarmo can bide his time for now, but with every passing day the chances of a blowup between the two sides increases, so if I was Jarmo I wouldn't wait too long.
Forum: Montreal CanadiensThu at 1:48 am
Thread: Montreal Canadiens Season Discussion Thread
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kotkaniemi15</b></div><div>Well that sucked.

So discipline, which was our biggest problem through 3 games, has bitten us in the butt.
The first 2 penalties are inexcusable. Tatar with the useless hooking penalty 18 seconds in, and Chiarot’s holding penalty was plain stupid and lead to the Canucks’ 1st goal.
The KK penalty was BS. What the hell could he have said that warrants a penalty? People argue with calls/non-calls all the time. This reeks of ageism in officiating to me. I guarantee the ref wouldn’t give Shea Weber a penalty for doing the same thing.
The Kulak and Anderson penalties were ridiculous. After watching this and the Oilers game, it seems like some refs are trying to crack down on any contact between players that isn’t a hit.
Overall officiating was terrible, but at least it didn’t decide the game.

Carey didn’t look himself tonight. Especially in the shootout. Hopefully he bounces back on Saturday. (Or maybe it’s the curse of the red pads, in which case, he should switch them immediately)

Anyways, now that I’ve gotten all that out of my system, I’ll focus on the positives.

Nick Suzuki’s hands are just ridiculous. This man is going to be a star in this league.

Phenomenal game by Tyler Toffoli, and KK was really good too.

5-on-5 it was a pretty good game overall, but the penalties just killed us.

And if we needed to lose a game against Vancouver, I’m thankful it’s the 1st game since this one doesn’t count towards the tiebreaker.</div></div>

I know we are on different sides of the why we lost in the SO. However you bring up some really good points here.

1. Price wasn't price no denying that but the reffing didn't help either like you pointed out.
2. KK and Toffoli look like the chemistry is finally building.
3. All 4 lines were really wearing down the Canucks all game at 5 on 5.
4. CJ played the OT really well by having the guys try to end it. It was exciting to watch unlike that 1st game with Toronto.
5. IMO CJ should have continued the momentum of the game and OT into the shootout. Go with the hot hands. I know Toffoli missed his shot but Drouin and Byron were not factors in the game and thus shouldn't have been in the shootout IMO.
6. Really happy with the points and our team looks to be even better than what was expected. We just have to get the PK working better and draw some more penalties ourselves.