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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 8, 2023 at 12:45 p.m.
Thread: Toronto Blockbuster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>GM's are allowed to learn the mindsets of players, get to know them, ask about what they are planning to do, etc. They are not allowed to discuss numbers or term, or anything else that could officially be part of a contract. It's really no different on how Calgary was confident Markstrom would be willing to sign with the Flames before he hit free agency because he's close friends with Lindholm and Lindholm worked as kind of a middle man, unofficially.

You can probably get away with some stuff with players on your own team but it would raise some massive red flags if another team was given permission to talk to a player prior to them being allowed to discuss extensions</div></div>

this is exactly what im talking about. even if TO cant give permission to Calgary to talk to Nylander dont you think that if this trade were actually being discussed then Torontos GM would share with Calgarys GM what Nylander was thinking or that Nylanders agent would go to Nylander and say hey William would you be willing to entertain signing in Calgary where you were born and where they have a ton of other Swedish players that you are probably pretty familiar with if so maybe you should reach out to Backlund or Lindholm and let them know you would be willing to sign an extension at x cost.

Even if they weren't able to do the above then you agree to a deal in principle with Toronto and then just wait for July 1st and discuss the final details of the trade before the draft. could even be a sign and trade like what Tkachuk did with Calgary last year
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 8, 2023 at 12:21 p.m.
Thread: Toronto Blockbuster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>I do think Toronto doesn't know yet because they are literally not allowed to talk about extensions at all. Just like how Calgary has very little idea on what Lindholm wants.

The point though is that Calgary would have even less of an idea since they can't even go off internal rumors.

I would much rather move the 2024 1st, thats not even up for debate. 16th OA is guaranteed to be a pretty good pick.</div></div>

In Conroys first ever interview as GM of the Calgary Flames he said this
“He’s going to be one of the first calls,” Conroy said. “When we talk about this, all those seven unrestricted free agents, we’re going to be in contact with. I do know where Elias was thinking prior, and now I want to see where he’s at, I want to see where his mindset is at right now.”

If you think GMs are not talking to Players and Agents and figuring out extension details and dollar signs even if they aren't allowed to officially begin contract negotiations then I don't know what to tell you.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 26, 2023 at 5:26 p.m.
Thread: Bo Horvat time
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yycofred</b></div><div>Pelletier, Ruzicka and Duehr all have a semblance of a 200ft game that earns trust with coaching staff's around the NHL, Phillips in his brief time looked like a powerpaly merchant that couldn't get any separation, Pelletier is averaging nearly 2 minutes less per game than Phillips did but looks significantly more impactful in the small sample size each has gotten. Pelletier's underlying numbers have been off the charts good, Duehr and Ruzicka fill way different roles, I don't think Phillips ever translates.</div></div>

i agree pelletier is certainly farther along than phillips at a much younger age. he had less time on the ice but the same amount of shifts which tells me they are being deployed differently. i dont think phillips has the same potential as a guy like pelletier who has top 6 potential. Phillips has bottom six potential but two games is not a sample size. if it were up to me he'd get 10-20 games playing with other young players on a 3rd to 4th line role.

pelletier has had the benefit of playing with Duehr who has also looked good while phiullips played a lot with backlund/coleman/lewis who are all fine shut down players but they dont accentuate phillips skill type

my line up would be

Pelletier replaces lucic on the second line

then we have an energy 4th line of Phillips-Ruzicka-Duehr
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 26, 2023 at 5:03 p.m.
Thread: Bo Horvat time
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yycofred</b></div><div>I bet he never hits 50 NHL games. 32 teams passed on him this season after he had a stud season last year with a sustainable shooting% and a half decent training camp this season he's shooting around 25%. Tons of undersized scorers in the AHL don't translate to the NHL it's been like that for the past handful of years.</div></div>

he had a good season last year. hes having an elite season this year. you are correct if he isnt able to translate that success and overcome his stature then he may be a career ahl player. it only takes a bottom dwelling team to give him a chance and for him to take it for the opposite to happen though. He had a pretty weak training camp as he wasn't put in a position to succeed by the coaching staff who clearly had pre determined the make up of the team prior to camp. we can see this shifting as players like duehr, pelletier, Ruziicka are slowly stealing the pylon veterans spots.

Edit: Despite Sutters complete resistance
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 26, 2023 at 4:45 p.m.
Thread: Bo Horvat time
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Wouldn't sacrifice any of them for Bo. Just like Kadri last year he's clearly overperforming. There are far more fitting rentals for us that aren't going to be as highly targeted from the rest of the league.

Also 1.5-2M is not a "big raise" especially with the cap jumping up that year</div></div>

There are worse rentals* available sure. this team needs a goal scorer. the rumored list of Tarasenko being the best the flames are currently looking at isnt gonna be a difference maker. any of those 4 guys is worth less than horvat.

Flames are paying way too many middle six forward 5-6mil plus. i think we need to thin out the middle and stack the top a little more.

Hanifin is coming up to UFA at the same time that we will be dishing out money for guys like lindholm, dube, backlund. some of these UFA's in 2024 are not going to be on the team following that summer so you might as well trade a couple nbow to get some value for them. even with the cap going up
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 18, 2022 at 1:01 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 8, 2021 at 6:15 p.m.
Thread: TDL all in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Toews is the much better target for what this team needs, he is also way more likely to waive to western Canada</div></div>

yea I mean I don't disagree. I guess it would be up to Tre whether he thinks an upgrade at RW or C is more needed. with Dube moving back to centre and seemingly fitting in at the position I just thought that targeting the more talented player won out over the position. with your idea Dube probably moves back to Wing and the second line would be dube - Toews - Mangi. im not sure that line would provide as much offense as moving Tkachuk to the second line and having a dominant first line with two of the best playmakers in the game setting up Lindholm and each other. i think kane is also more valuable on the PP then Toews
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 13, 2021 at 5:42 p.m.
Thread: Tkachuk Express
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Dmen arent worth anything, especially when youre keeping the 6 best and Dorian said theyre no longer rebuilding</div></div>

thats a terrible take. D-Men are worth a ton.

besides your assertion that the assets would be gone is wrong. you get an a prospect who hasnt eaten into any of his years as an RFA. you get a future mid to late round 1st under control for atleast 7 years. Valimaki is an RFA who is better than any of Ottawa's defense prospects and is also and RFA under control at the end of his contract and then you get 2 years of monahan who if he doesn't agree to sign an extension can be shipped out for prospects or picks whenever you want however id say ottawa has as good a chance of signing monahan as any other team. Monahan played is junior for the ottawa 67s so hes familiar with the city and organization
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 11, 2021 at 8:47 p.m.
Thread: Trying to make some sense
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensibleguy</b></div><div>Of course Eichel because if Ottawa has a choice, they’re trading for Eichel, your Logan Brown trade idea was for the consolation prize centre. My point was, if Buffalo is willing to accept these assets, Ottawa would know, and trade for Eichel themselves. I asked Eichel or Monahan because the target is Eichel, if Buffalo is willing to take these assets. To repeat, it’s about Buffalo willing to take these assets, and Ottawa doesn’t need Calgary in the trade.

Ottawa can easily offer CBrown and Brannstrom, along with White, who Buffalo likes, instead of Anderson, and up the pick from the 2nd to a 1st. The other 1st equivalent would more likely come from Ottawa’s deep prospect pool instead of the pick.</div></div>

yea buffalo isnt trading within the division so get that fallacy out of your head. I don't like Calgary's chances either but at least its possible.