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Jun 19, 2019
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howisjulienstillhere</b></div><div>Carey price 34, Jeff Petry 34(December) Gallagher 29, Savard 31
Savard,petry have 4 years left of getting worse and price has 5
sit there with a straight face and tell me we have a shot at winning the cup in those 5 years
they have a "core" of Suzuki and Caufield who are both good but neither elite. my opinion is that you "go for it" for this year and next then "rebuild" for however long it takes
your trying to contend over those 5 years with an aging price,petry,savard,gallagher and Anderson , all of whom have ****ing massive contracts
if you could lay out a step by step plan to build around Caufield and Suzuki while staying in contention over those 5 years id love to hear it. by as ive said this team is no where close to contention for a cup as I assume you agree with as you haven't said other wise but your expecting this team to get better with multiple aging players
also you named the bruins
take a look at the leafs, blackhawks, penguins, kings they built through top picks which let them contend for a decade</div></div>
You're dumb as rocks buddy, I'm not explaining this to you again lmao.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howisjulienstillhere</b></div><div>we need to answer some questions
which direction are the habs going? answer is down, were probably not going to make the playoffs and the team is getting worse
how do you build around Caufield and Suzuki? either free agency/trade which leads to Lucic and skinner contracts or draft, which is a lot easier when you have top picks. now yes those two didn't work out but that can't stop you from doing what is right
all I'm saying to do is after next season trade some pieces like edmunson,savard and Petry if you can(Petry might be hard) Toffoli and Hoffman. this team won't be good in two years and instead of picking 8-12 you might as well gain picks and at the same time pick higher in the draft
don't know how you think they build around Caufield and Suzuki without top picks unless you hope they find a steal or two somewhere
Caufield and suzuki arent a strong enough core. now wright/bedard/michkov/2024/25 top 3 pick plus Caufield and Suzuki is a pretty good core if you can get a star
also you say buffalo and Edmonton, I say kings, caps,pens,blackhawks
leafs are perennial playoff team and id say the rebuild worked, they just haven't been able to finish the team to make em champions
oilers two stars are the reason they're in cup contention every year</div></div>
MB just built one of the best prospect pools in the league and our direction is "down"? Sorry bud, you're delusional. As much as I hate to say it, the Bruins are a perfect example of building the right way and that's what Berge is trying to do. The draft is a complete crap shoot and even by tanking you're guaranteed nothing.
Also, no one said we had to give out trash contracts to UFAs. MB has repeatedly said you don't build a team through free agency, although he's signed a few good contracts in the last couple years.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howisjulienstillhere</b></div><div>great talk, glad you made solid arguments
just want to know which part you disagree with? the comp? the rebuild is say we need?</div></div>
1. Those Jays were legit contenders with a bunch of star players. The Habs made a miracle run last year, but they are by no means legit contenders this year and there's not much star power there.
2. The Jays best prospects were still just that - prospects. The Habs best "prospects" (Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov) are now everyday NHLers and in two years will be entering their prime.
3. MB completed the "reset" a couple years ago, which produced one of the best prospect pools in the league. It makes no sense to start a full on rebuild at the same time Suzuki and Caufield will be entering their prime, and some or all of Norlinder, Guhle, Ylonen, Harris, Primeau, Struble, etc. will be ready to contribute on ELCs.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habs_need_Scoring</b></div><div>yes i think Camfield's numbers between the other three centers would be similar across the board, and therefore it wouldn't matter where he slotted in for his production, assuming he still gets plenty of pp time.
But back to the original point. for the hab's to do this to balance out the scoring, i think that's wrong and that in the end the habs total offensive production would be lower with those two seperated than with them playing together.</div></div>
So it's "insane" to play him with any other centre, but his production would be similar with any centre.
If you think about the Tampa series, they used the Kucherov line against 73-14-22 and they weren't as effective as they'd been in the first 3 rounds. Other teams will undoubtedly use their top line against 14 & 22 this season and, paired with the inconsistency/growing pains/etc. that any reasonable person would expect in Caufield's rookie season, AND the fact that the Habs like to roll four balanced lines, you need an alternative. This is my alternative. Don't like it? Fine. But your argument is basically that there is no alternative, which I think is absurd and shortsighted. But at this point if I say "black", you're gonna say "white", so unless you have anything meaningful to say, I think it's time you chased your tail elsewhere.