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Tampa Bay Lightning
9 hours ago
Thread:
Syracuse Crunch Game 6 & Prospect Update
I do not normally go back and watch Syracuse games that overlap Lightning games, but the Bolts game tonight had me in a good mood and I had missed the last couple of Syracuse games. Additionally, I had seen earlier that this game would feature multiple Lightning prospects that would soon be back on their way to their WHL teams for the start of their seasons. This included AHL debuts for 2020 2nd Rd pick Gage Goncalves and 2020 5th Rd pick Jaydon Dureau.
Syracuse ended up losing to Utica (Vancouver) 4-2 tonight, continuing their 5 game slide since their season opening win. They now sit at 1-4-1. They played a decent game all things considered (I'll get there), and had it at 3-2 before Utica netted an empty net goal towards the end of the game. I would almost be willing to say Syracuse was the better 5on5 team tonight, but a costly turnover by goaltender Montembeault (FLA) gifted Utica what would end up being the game winning goal. The power play was 0/6, kind of like the Lightning's lately, but it's not been easy for Syracuse (once again, I'll get there).
On a positive note, in Goncalves' AHL debut, he had a nice assist that set up Somppi for Syracuse's first goal of the game. (Not sure if Tweet will embed correctly)
<p>Otto Somppi one times it home in the slot for his 2nd goal of the season. Gage Goncalves and Ben Thomas pick up the assists. <a href="https://t.co/rUcSc7NctO" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/rUcSc7NctO</a></p>— Future Bolts (@LightningProsp1) <a href="https://twitter.com/LightningProsp1/status/1365838352126259201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">February 28, 2021</a>
Ryan Lohin knocked in a puck that went off the goalie after a shot from the blueline by a defenseman for Syracuse's 2nd goal of the game.
<p>Ryan Lohin swipes one home in the slot for his 2nd goal of the season. Brady Keeper (FLA) and Taylor Raddysh pick up the assists. <a href="https://t.co/b7o83rxiAN" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/b7o83rxiAN</a></p>— Future Bolts (@LightningProsp1) <a href="https://twitter.com/LightningProsp1/status/1365847855622144000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">February 28, 2021</a>
As for the game lines, the forward lines changed a little from announced lines and sometimes varied throughout as a result of all of the special teams action (PP & PK) throughout the game. These are these are the lines I had observed for most of the game:
Forwards:
Gabriel Fortier - Cole Schwindt (FLA) (JR) - Taylor Raddysh
Boris Katchouk - Otto Somppi - Gage Goncalves (JR)
Jimmy Huntington - Jack Finley (JR) - Serron Noel (FLA) (JR)
Peter Abbandonato - Ryan Lohin - Jaydon Dureau (JR)
Defense:
Brady Keeper (FLA) - Luke Witkowksi
Sean Day - Ben Thomas
John Ludvig (FLA) - Alex Green
Goaltender:
Sam Montembeault (FLA)
As a reminder, a FLA tag was used to identify any player part of the Florida Panthers organization as the Bolts are sharing Syracuse with them this season. The JR tag was used to mark those players that will soon(?) have to return back to their respective CHL teams as they're only permitted to be in the AHL while their leagues are not playing due to covid. The WHL is the league starting soon, and I believe all Bolts junior players belong to WHL teams aside from McDonnell. I would have to double check on Schwindt and Noel.
Now, why is Syracuse losing and sitting at 1 win on the season? I promised I'd tell you and it's because they are missing a crap ton of players who were on the opening night roster or expected to contribute at some point.
This includes players out due to injury:
- F Aleksi Heponiemi (FLA)
- F Henry Bowlby (FLA)
- F Boo Nieves
- F Daniel Walcott
- D Chase Priskie (FLA)
Additionally, players that were called up to either the Panthers or Lightning:
- F Ross Colton
- F Alex Barre-Boulet
- F Grigori Denisenko (FLA)
- D Riley Stillman (FLA)
As one might assume, anyone good enough to be called up to the NHL squads are a major loss for an AHL team. Heponiemi looked to be filling in the 1C spot with Colton in Tampa, but injury struck him a few games ago and I have not heard the extent to his injury. Having to rely on AHL rookie Cole Schwindt as the 1C is a less than optimal situation to be in for the team. However, to be fair, he has held his own in the position.
Now, there is a few Lightning prospects I want to touch on from observations:
<strong>Gage Goncalves</strong>
He had a really strong AHL debut and was noticeable in the offensive zone throughout and had a great pass to assist Somppi on the Crunch's first goal. He was skating well and making fast accurate passes throughout the game. One thing I noticed was he was 1 of 2 2020 draft picks, along with Finley, to be invited the Lightning preseason camp and I believe he played center there with Finley on wing. I'm not entirely sure, but Syracuse and Coach Groulx having Finley at center and Goncalves at wing is interesting and might be an interesting thing to keep an eye on moving forward in their development to see if limited center openings forces only 1 to stay at their listed position.
<strong>Jack Finley</strong>
I believe this was his 2nd AHL game, but as I had heard about his debut (that I missed), he was not overly noticeable on the ice. If his line was in the offensive zone you could always spot him at the front of the net with his 6'6" frame, but did not have much effect on the outcome of the game. We spent our 2021 2nd and 2020 4th to move up and get him in the 2nd Rd last year, so, it'll be interesting to see how he develops over time as Al Murray had to have seen something in him. Of note, he's still 18 and was on the younger side of draft eligibles last draft, so, he has plenty of time.
<strong>Gabriel Fortier</strong>
Fortier had a hot start to the season, but has since slowed down a little. He's playing fine on the top line (out of necessity), but I think he'd be able to perform better if he was matched up against a little lesser competition in his first full AHL season.
<strong>F - Declan McDonnell</strong>
Mr. Irrelevant of the 2020 NHL draft has been anything but irrelevant in the 2 games he has already played for Syracuse. He has not gotten on the board yet, but he has had a constant presence in the offensive and defensive zones when on the ice. He was also the first Lightning junior player to be given a game, so, I think that speaks volume to how highly Ben Groulx and co. think of him. His CHL league is the OHL, which I believe do not have return to play plans yet, so, it's likely he was sat to give the WHL guys a chance to play since it's possible he sees more games with Syracuse down the line after they've left.
<strong>Alex Green</strong>
I'm not sure what to think of Green. He has a good start to the season playing with Orlando, played the opening night, was benched until tonight, and played the lowest minutes of any defenseman. Not being on any of the special teams units probably hurt him tonight to some degree, but it looked like he was being skipped over quite a bit on line rotations. I'm not sure what the issue is, but he's seen fine to me. Perhaps a more trained hockey eye could point something out I'm not seeing.
<strong>F?/D? - Dmitri Semykin</strong>
I'm not sure what to think of our 2018 3rd Rd pick. He's listed as a LD, but has only played in 1 game as a LW. He did record a goal in the game, but the forward role is not one he looks particularly suited to. There's multiple defenseman from the opening night roster missing from the team at the moment, so, I'm not sure how they intend to get him involved going forward.
If you got this far, thanks for reading. I do this for my own enjoyment on keeping up with the Lightning prospect pipeline, but I am happy to share my thoughts with any interested parties. This is not something I'll probably repeat as in-depth since most of this was tempted by the fresh AHL players playing in their 1st or 2nd games tonight, but I'll probably continue to post small updates at different points going forward.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 hours ago
Thread:
Rumor Mill
I think Fabbro is an interesting idea. He fits our cap constraints, and could probably be the main piece in a package that leads to Seattle selecting Johnson. I'm not sure trading Rutta away would be wise though.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
13 hours ago
Thread:
Who wants to be a Skillionaire
This is tough. I assume all these albatross contracts are signed with play to support it at the point of signing. I think as Devil1122 said, Danault could be it if someone really pays him money and term. If Philly immediately goes for a long-term deal on Hart, there's obviously some uncertainty. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Hoffman's and Hall's next deals. One of those 2 would be my bet.
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Armchair-GM
15 hours ago
Thread:
Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ZiggyPalffy</b></div><div>Wow I didn't know we had a councilor here on Capfriendly, thanks for coming and trying to help us through this troubling thread.</div></div>
Grab a beer and relax dude.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
17 hours ago
Thread:
Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ZiggyPalffy</b></div><div>You were upset, buddy. It seems you have calmed down though which is good.</div></div>
You must be confused. You came rushing in to defend oldNYI like he was in grave danger or something. I can appreciate one sticking up for their friends, but you were crazy.
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Armchair-GM
17 hours ago
Thread:
Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ZiggyPalffy</b></div><div>All the more reason to not get so upset about an ACGM entertaining an idea like this right?!</div></div>
Upset? I just said I disagreed and stated my reasoning. You were the one who got wordy.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
17 hours ago
Thread:
Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ZiggyPalffy</b></div><div>And he'll be extended 2 years after that.</div></div>
Absolutely. And Sergachev will still be in Tampa.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
17 hours ago
Thread:
Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bolts20Cup</b></div><div>Seattle is going to be persuaded to take Johnson and if he's playing well it makes a lot of sense for them.i think Gonclaves a 3&5 does it. No chance they pay to Dump Palat a guy who over the last 3 season's has over 70%of his points 5x5 with 1 year on the contract and certainly not a 1 to do so if I'm miraculously wrong</div></div>
We'll still have to include a first, but the idea we'll be stuck with a bunch of immoveable pieces is overblown.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
17 hours ago
Thread:
Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ZiggyPalffy</b></div><div>Untouchable lol. As long as Hedman is there, Sergachev is 'touchable'</div></div>
Hedman is M-NTC in 22-23.
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Armchair-GM
17 hours ago
Thread:
Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I don't undervalue Sergachev at all. That's why I'm paying a 2019 first-round draft pick that was 5th overall and seems to be on a path to fulfilling that promise, another first-round draft pick, and an NHL-level LD that can at least fill the hole left on that side for Sergachev.
I think that there's a little "target attraction" at work here. You seem to be focused narrowly on the idea of trading Sergachev away without even looking at the "big picture" that might justify it, even if only on the surface. I confess to the same myopia when someone suggests trading Anze Kopitar -- I would have a hard time agreeing to exchange him for Leon Draisaitl straight up. And don't get me started on John Gibson trades I see every week.</div></div>
You're getting too complicated with this. Sergachev was the first one signed out of last seasons RFAs for a reason. He's the #1 priority along with Point moving forward for Tampa. He's untouchable. If you want to make a case for trading Cirelli or maybe Cernak, go for it, but that's still worst case scenario.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
17 hours ago
Thread:
Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ZiggyPalffy</b></div><div>You as well. Try not to let mine and OldNYIFans trade ideas trigger you, you'll go bald and we don't want that.</div></div>
NYI is fine. I might buy you a Rosetta Stone English package for valentines day next year though ;)
Forum:
Armchair-GM
17 hours ago
Thread:
Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Well, I was under the impression that Coleman and Goodrow were worth more to you than the bottom-6 guys who would replace them.
I really am surprised at your use of the word "terrible" to describe this trade from the Lightning's PoV. Right now you have a more than $10 million cap problem. With this trade (plus the Seattle selection), that problem is solved permanently and you get a prospect who is projected to be your #2 center in a couple of years, plus a 2021 first-round draft pick that's likely to be better than the one you have now, plus various other players including Blake Coleman and two NHLers. If you want to consider that an inadequate return for Sergachev, fine, but to consider this trade "terrible" for Tampa is to ignore the fact that you'd be unlikely to have him now but for the unfortunate injury to Nikita Kucherov.</div></div>
Goodrow and Coleman are going to be paid far more than what we can afford, with or without Sergachev on the roster. There's no price in prospects or draft capital that won't be paid to open up the cap space to be compliant with Kucherov back next year.
As for Sergachev, you grossly undervalue him. Already producing at a higher 5v5 pace than Hedman and defense that is on the high end of 22 year olds in the NHL. He is the future of the defense and team, and to think we would be content with trading him because we still have McDonagh as a #2 is absurd. We'll cross the McDonagh bridge with a buyout, likely, down the line, but trading Sergachev might as well be JBB handing in his resignation papers to the owner.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
18 hours ago
Thread:
Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ZiggyPalffy</b></div><div>Right after that it says "unlikely to happen in real life" so maybe you should look into reading classes or buy some glasses.
When you have to trade someone you don't want to trade in order to fit 10+ in cap next year, you might wonder what it would look like with 900k Clague on your 3rd pair and 2-3 years of Turcotte on an ELC.
Acting like this makes the Lightning worse when you have guys like Hedman and McDonagh is kind of funny. Clague plays a similar game to Sergachev, of course he's not near as good, but how many points does a 3LD actually need to put up when you have Hedman and McDonagh.
I don't believe OldNYIFan meant to trigger you by posting this. However, I happen to be enjoying it;)</div></div>
I give credit where due. You have one hard head. Enjoy your day.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
18 hours ago
Thread:
Standings by the end of the season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gmonwy</b></div><div>I don't think Ottawa is finishing last anymore but this is my opinion</div></div>
They're finding their stride. Just waiting on Stützle to really go on a tear.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
18 hours ago
Thread:
Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Right now your 2021-2022 roster is $6.78 million over the cap with only 17 guys signed, and without Coleman or Goodrow. The idea that "any deal involving Sergachev leaving Tampa is bad for the Lightning" ignores reality.</div></div>
Why does Goodrow or Coleman have to be signed? There's no way we are going to keep them after the season to begin with. Also, the only thing ignoring reality with Sergachev were the people signing him to offer sheets left and right on here this fall and believing it would happen.
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Armchair-GM
18 hours ago
Thread:
Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ZiggyPalffy</b></div><div>Read the bio moron, he explains the unlikelihood of it happening above.
However, there's no question this is a complete overpay from LA.</div></div>
Moron, the quote is directly from the bio. Specifically said:
"We both agree that it would be great for the Kings, good for the Lightning"
Whether you think it's realistic or not, it's worded as you think it's good for the Lightning. Take an English lesson maybe?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
18 hours ago
Thread:
Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution
"good for the Lightning"
Terrible*
Sergachev is the present and future of Tampa's blue line. Any deal involving him leaving Tampa is bad for the Lightning.
Forum:
Mock-Draft
19 hours ago
Thread:
Current Hidden Gems
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BruinsFan35</b></div><div>He was on my same post last year. He’s my fave player in the class outside of top 10ish. There isn’t anything bad about his game. I even think that he’s benefit from the smaller rinks with the 200 foot game he plays</div></div>
For sure. Interestingly, I haven't seen much talk about him rising up draft boards though. Definitely worth a late round flyer, at the minimum.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sat at 10:26 am
Thread:
Lines tonight Qmark
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>matulix</b></div><div>Not sure, probably not.</div></div>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Anthony Cirelli on ice for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/tblightning?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">#tblightning</a> skate, taking regular spot on power play. Good sign he may be back tonight against Stars.</p>— Joe Smith (@JoeSmithTB) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeSmithTB/status/1365683933594157061?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">February 27, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Armchair-GM
Sat at 8:39 am
Thread:
Lines tonight Qmark
I wonder if we'll see a return to 11F/7D.
Forum:
Mock-Draft
Sat at 2:39 am
Thread:
Current Hidden Gems
I'm a believer in Elias after the WJC. He might need 2-3 years in the AHL and the right opportunity in the NHL, but I think he has the talent to make it.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sat at 2:27 am
Thread:
Defenseman trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ryancnbb</b></div><div>what does that even mean tho</div></div>
Someone who can put points on the board
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Fri at 7:42 pm
Thread:
No Price Too High
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Florida_Man_Maroon</b></div><div>I was never too disappointed about losing Nolan. Yea he’s got great offensive upside, but I don’t think he was a great scheme fit due to his skating issues. Maybe he has worked them out by know, I’ve really stopped following him after he got traded. But as far as that trade goes, I’d rather have Finley and the picks. I think Finley will surprise a lot of people and of course those draft picks are quite valuable.</div></div>
From what I have read, his skating is now at a point where it would no longer be a hindrance to him making it in the NHL. I like Finley too, but in a hypothetical trade I'd imagine NJ would want another big body forward back.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Fri at 6:50 pm
Thread:
Trading for a LHD
I saw the news about this interview. How close is LA to turning the corner? They might just be better off using their early round picks this year on a few LHD.
I'm not sure a dynamic LHD is something any franchise just trades away.
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Armchair-GM
Fri at 6:05 pm
Thread:
Taking a different route
Congratulations on the hip surgery recovery Nikita! We've traded you to Nashville.
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