Feb 8, 2019
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sebybbq</b></div><div>Jay o’brien is the kid who have been so bad that is college team cut him! You can make better come on based on the schenn deal. O’brien is a real joke.</div></div>
I can understand his value being really low and it's understandable why Calgary says no because of his uncertainty. I looked over him quite a bit and things don't look too great for him right now. I regret using him instead of Frost or Farabee, but if he's only 20, is he really already defined a bust?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jah1722</b></div><div>All of this is hilarious. A 27 yr old on a decline? Even if he’s an 80 point player he’s on a very good deal at 6.75M. You compared him to the Schenn deal, a guy that never hit 60 points before his trade. Gaudreau was gonna hit that in his down year. You’d only give a 1st for him? Laughable.</div></div>
The NHL today is more of a speed/skating and skill game and Gaudreau uses both primarily. As players get older, that will start to diminish. It's not like Gaudreau has much physicality to his game. He won't reach 80 points again, so get that out of your head. Expect him to get 70-75 points at most. $6.75M is a good cap hit for him, but even if he were getting $10M, Calgary could just retain $3.25M easily. They wouldn't need that dead cap because they would be rebuilding. The Schenn trade might not be the best comparable, but it still proves that a three year player doesn't get that much of a return. Schenn was at his peak at the time and Gaudreau is declining as of right now. Schenn is a center and Gaudreau is a winger. Schenn was playing in a lower scoring era and Gaudreau is playing a higher one. Schenn has a good two-way game and physicality. Gaudreau doesn't. However, I will respect your point on only giving him a 1st round pick. Apparently everyone on Capfriendly loves to give up on a 20-year old that hasn't even played an NHL game yet. I don't understand what that trend is, but I'll definitely be willing to give up something more reliable. Frost and another B+ or A- prospect maybe.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I really enjoyed, and agreed with, your analysis right up to the end and then I think you stumbled at the last hurdle (Jay O'Brien). I was thinking more along the lines of a first, Morgan Frost and Bobbie Brink. That's a deal I think Calgary would make whether they're "rebuilding" or not. Would Philly do it?</div></div>
I'll definitely switch out O'Brien with Frost after understanding that O'Brien has a much less chance of making the NHL. If Gaudreau proves that he can be what he has in the past then we can do that deal at the TDL next year.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Oh come on, he's not even a pending UFA. At least offer what Hall got for 5 months of rental. The difference between Schenn and Gaudreau is massive. Especially by the time of the trade. Schenn was traded as a 50 point center and Gaudreau is traded as an 80 point winger. Also the cap hit has gone up almost 10M from when Schenn was traded.</div></div>
If you want to argue that the value isn't above what Hall got then fine. Also a fair point regarding the cap hit. You're wrong everywhere else. Schenn was traded as a 57 point center and Gaudreau is being traded as a 68 point winger. Schenn had three years left on his contract and Gaudreau would have only two, which makes a big difference. Schenn was on the second line as a center in a lower scoring era on a team that was terrible offensively. Gaudreau is getting more points as of right now because he's on the first line as a winger in a higher scoring era on team that is a little better offensively. Schenn plays a better two-way game, has more physicality, grit, and was little bit younger. Does Gaudreau have any of that?