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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 17, 2015 at 1:18 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 14, 2015 at 1:50 a.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sqm918</b></div><div><i><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rwdaniel</b></div><div><i><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sqm918</b></div><div><i><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rwdaniel</b></div><div><i>You're continually undervaluing other teams d-men and overvaluing Perron whose value has dropped since the 2013-2014 season. Ellis would be a great player for Pittsburg to target and would really complete their team.. You just have to find a trade that's worth it from Nashvilles perspective</i></div></div>

You're continually overvaluing other teams d-men and Perron's hasn't budged. Ellis would be great for this team. I think that giving up a goal scorer, a young d-man with potential and an experienced player for one very solid top-4 is a little much. If Nashville took an player like Kinitz rather than Lovejoy I would say I could deal with it, but then the pens would be giving up 2 forwards who could play in the top 6 plus a d man with potential for a a d man. Then there would be holes in the forward lines.</i></div></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sqm918</b></div><div><i><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rwdaniel</b></div><div><i>You're continually undervaluing other teams d-men and overvaluing Perron whose value has dropped since the 2013-2014 season. Ellis would be a great player for Pittsburg to target and would really complete their team.. You just have to find a trade that's worth it from Nashvilles perspective</i></div></div>

You're continually overvaluing other teams d-men and Perron's hasn't budged. Ellis would be great for this team. I think that giving up a goal scorer, a young d-man with potential and an experienced player for one very solid top-4 is a little much. If Nashville took an player like Kinitz rather than Lovejoy I would say I could deal with it, but then the pens would be giving up 2 forwards who could play in the top 6 plus a d man with potential for a a d man. Then there would be holes in the forward lines.</i></div></div>

I may be overvaluing Ellis a bit but I do think that's what it would take for Nashville to make the trade and I think it would be good for both teams. I definitely wasn't overvaluing Shattenkirk though.. You'll have to give up a lot to snag him</i></div></div>

I've given up on Shattenkirk. It just can't be done.</i></div></div>

Yea probably not in any way that would actually benefit the pens :/ but it's always fun to speculate
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 13, 2015 at 2:24 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 12, 2015 at 1:33 p.m.
Thread: Shattenkirk
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sqm918</b></div><div><i><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rwdaniel</b></div><div><i><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sqm918</b></div><div><i><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rwdaniel</b></div><div><i>Not even close. Try again</i></div></div>

Very close. Won't try again cause it's not a bad deal. Feel free to comment intelligently.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jacobzentner</b></div><div><i>Trade rust as well, if you trade for Rattie you should play him.</i></div></div>

Go ahead put Rust in he deal too and put Rattie in his spot.</i></div></div>

What do you think Shattenkirk is worth? Shattenkirk is a right handed offensive defenseman who plays a solid defensive game and has an amazing cap hit for the next 2 seasons. He gets paid like a 2nd pairing defenseman but plays like a top pairing offensive defenseman. The Penguins are a team that is going all in to win the cup in the next couple seasons, is right against the cap ceiling and is negotiating from a point of weakness. On the other hand St. Louis is a team that is still a contender and will be looking to add to their roster to make a serious run at the cup before they decide to trade shttenkirk and start a rebuild. They do not need to deal shattenkirk but will be recieving many offers and will only accept the strongest offer which will have to be an overpayment.
That said Shattenkirk is likely worth a first round pick, an A level prospect, and 1-2 B-C level prospects or B prospect/decent roster player/2nd round draft pick. For example if my Sharks were talking about trading for Shattenkirk I would expect them to offer a 1st and 2nd in 2018, one of Goldobin or Roy and someone like shoenborn. If an offer this steep is too much for you then I'm sorry but you won't be getting him. I wouldn't want to make this trade either.

Now if you look at your proposed trade it starts off with essentially trading rattie for Bennett which is a fair trade if St. Louis and Pittsburg want to trade prospects. Then you trade Kunitz, dumoulin, 2nd, and a prospect (for the sake of this trade we'll say it's sprong) for Shattenkirk. Now sprong, dumoulin, and a 2nd are fine and should be included in the trade but is Kunitz, who would fall to the third line on the blues and is 35 years old, worth a first round draft pick? What makes St. Louis want to accept this trade? Not only do they get worse by giving up a very good defenseman but they also get a bottom six player who will be preventing their younger players from making the team who are more than capable of putting up numbers equal to that of Kunitz. Make it sprong, dumoulin and first and 2nd round picks and it would be closer to an even trade but I still think St. Louis would be stupid to give up Shattenkirk this season. If they fail to make a serious run at the cup this post season and decide to blow up the team and start over, then they should trade him for sure.</i></div></div>

rwdaniel- to an extent I can understand where ur coming from, but I think ur overvaluing Shattenkirk. Yes, he can play top-2 d minutes. Yes, he has a RATHER cap friendly contract. Amazing would be him making 2 mil a year. The Blues and Penguins are in similar boat. Both make it in the playoffs every year and for the most part both lose early. Yes, the Penguins are making a harder push to win it all this year, but by no means does that mean the pens are any closer to winning it all than the Blues are. Who knows, it could be Pens-Blues in the Cup Finals next season. Who knows how Bennett's and Dumoulin's careers play out. Both could be busts. Both could be stars. A trade like Bennett, Dumoulin, Sprong, and a 1st makes sense. Sprong has the potential to be a top-6 forward. Ur making Shattenkirk seem like some franchise player. The return ur expecting is a little high for Kevin Shattenkirk. I doubt St. Louis trades Shattenkirk either, but I just feel that St. Louis will lose in the first round next season and nobody but Tarasenko, Schwartz, Lehtera, and Pietrangelo would be safe.

As for mtdavis311- first off, maybe you should try reading some of the other penguins rosters that people put on here before running ur mouth. Some of them people do the same thing I did. Maybe you should just stop while you're ahead cause you are just gonna make yourself sound even dumber if u continue talking.

Second off, you are VASTLY overvaluing Shattenkirk. Just read above.</i></div></div>

First off, I don't really care what anyone else on the board does, it doesn't make it less lazy to do an armchair GM and not flesh out the roster/trades completely. It's a cop out to say, hey, I'm trading Scuderi, but even I know its so impossible to move his ridiculously bad contract that I'm not even going to try to make a viable trade option. But yeah, I'm the one that sounds dumb

Second, potential Norris winner. Led the league in points among defensemen. Best defensemen on an extremely good defensive core for St. Louis. They aren't going to trade Shattenkirk for the scraps the Pens don't want.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 12, 2015 at 9:10 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 10, 2015 at 8:19 p.m.
Thread: Maybe? ?