Danny12357

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Forum: NHL TradesFeb 25 at 10:45
Thread: (NYR/CAR) - Skjei for a 2020 1st round pick
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tormundgiantsbane</b></div><div>I don't see lottery protections in the conditions... IMAGINE both Toronto and Carolina miss the playoffs and both picks win lottery spots haha.</div></div>

The conditions are where this could get really fun.

The condition is that Carolina has to give the Rangers a pick in this year's draft, but can give them the lower of the two between their own and Toronto's. However Toronto can defer their pick until next year if the pick ends up being top 10.

So I wonder what happens if Carolina misses and wins the lottery, and Toronto misses and finishes with a the 10th overall pick. I know it isn't likely, but then Toronto could choose to defer. If they defer, Carolina now has only one pick to offer the Rangers. I wonder if a side deal would then be possible. Carolina could want to offer something to Toronto to convince them not to defer and the Rangers could offer something to Toronto to force them to defer so they could get the lottery pick. I don't know if that's the way it would work, but I wonder if there is any language in the actual contract or CBA that would prevent something like that from happening.
Forum: NHL TradesFeb 25 at 10:37
Thread: (VGK/CHI/TOR) - Subban, Demin for Lehner for Dzierkals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jamiepo</b></div><div>Looks like it was 1.1m retained, atleast how it shows on our cap. We are also using ltir so the benefits of pro rated salary aren’t There. AAlso a good way to open up relationships with western teams for trading further on down the road.

I see what happened. Chicago retained 50% and leafs retained another 50%.</div></div>

It was about 44% of the 50% that wasn't already retained. It was an overly complicated deal, but basically amounts to $180k in real cash for a 5th round pick. Once the Leafs decided to make no other trades, the cap space was just going to sit there. They had no other way to use it. It's about paying cash for a pick.

I don't know how much a 5th should be worth, but the cap space ends up essentially irrelevant, since it just expires at the end of the year.
Forum: NHL SigningsFeb 25 at 10:07
Thread: New York Islanders signed Jean-Gabriel Pageau (6 Years / $5,000,000 AAV)
That is a lot of assets and a big gamble of a deal on this player.

$5M, or more importantly, 6% of your cap space always seems like a weird amount. If the player is a bonafide top 6 guy, it's probably a steal, if not, it's an overpay. Centers are a bit of the exception, as I can see merit in having a third line center paid more than a typical bottom six forward, but that's usually accompanied by a team playing a good complimentary winger in their top 6, who is making far less than typical top 6 players, which helps offset the cost.

I like Pageau, but I think he just got paid as if he's a 25 goal scoring center. He likely isn't. This year, he's been force fed insane amounts of minutes, and he's scoring on an absurdly high percentage of his shots. He isn't creating near enough offense to make anyone believe this is just who he is now. Also, I am never a fan of giving a player you expect to play in your bottom six a term longer than 4 years. It's not just about age, but a 6 year term is very inflexible in terms of shaking things up if things don't work out. If Pageau isn't everything the Isles hope he is, that cap hit with that 6 year term becomes an anchor. The problem is, they are essentially paying him as if he is going to play at his ceiling for the next 6 years, and I think that's a tall ask.
Forum: NHL TradesFeb 25 at 9:25
Thread: (VGK/CHI/TOR) - Subban, Demin for Lehner for Dzierkals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>What's going on here? Toronto paid a first and a second for Freddie Andersen, and now Las Vegas is paying a similar second and Malcolm Subban for Robin Lehner? And since when is a fifth-round draft pick sufficient compensation for retaining $2.5 MM?</div></div>

The Leafs are retaining $1.1M in cap space, but that isn't really relevant. They paid about 180k in cash for a 5th. They aren't using all of their cap space this year.

Lehner is likely a pure rental for Vegas. Freddy was a 26 year old RFA who signed a 5 year extension. Also, the 1st Toronto gave up was already set, and it was the 30th selection, it wasn't much more valuable than a mid 2nd.

It seems like you really like to try and throw anything negative back at anything the Leafs do, but with so much ammunition to choose from, this is a a massive reach.
Forum: NHL TradesFeb 24 at 5:10
Thread: (SJS/TBL) - Goodrow and 2020 3rd for Greco and 2020 1st
I didn't mind the Coleman deal, he is a better player, but this is a bit much considering what they already have done.

I know this is also about replacing whoever it is they need to trade in the offseason, but chucking away two firsts in this draft is a lot for 3rd line players.

Also, Tampa is currently has just over $76M spent for next season, with Cirelli and Cernak as well as some depth pieces to sign. Obviously they plan to move out some salary, but who?

Palat should get a decent return except he is the guy they would most like to keep out of their seconadary players, and has a full NTC which will hurt his value. Johnson, Gourde and Kilorn wouldn't necessarily be easy to move if you could negotiate with all 31 teams, but with full NTCs I can't see how they move them without adding sweetners. I am not saying they have negative value per se, but when you can only deal with a few teams they are willing to accept a trade to, I can't see that GM knowing Tampa is in a tough spot just doign them a favour.
Forum: NHL SigningsFeb 24 at 4:59
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs signed Jake Muzzin (4 Years / $5,625,000 AAV)
This is close in terms of value over a 4 year term. Muzzin will probably provide value pretty much in line with where he is being paid. Likely able to be even better in years 1-2 with being a little over paid in years 3-4.

Where I think the Leafs did pretty well is not having to overpay in term or dollars for a D who kind of fits every teams ideal 2nd pairing guy. Some grit, some toughness, moves the puck well, plays both ends well, some leadership. Those players that the old school and analytics crowds like equally are usually destined to be overpaid.

What could make this deal better will depend on structure. If the NTC terms aren't bad in years 3-4 and he is making less in cash than cap hit, the Leafs could very well have a D that will probably be worth more than his cap hit early in the deal, and actually trade him for positive value at the end.

There is still a bit of a gamble, they are signing a 30+ player for four years and paying him in a way where he needs to be at least your 3rd best D, but I think with the teams needs, and the way this type of player will get valued league wide, this is pretty solid.
Forum: NHL TradesFeb 24 at 10:20
Thread: (OTT/NYI) - Pageau for 2020 1st, 2020 2nd, conditional 2022 3rd
Dorian... Did well in a trade... and traded a player to an Eastern team?

Gotta give him his due (and as much as sometimes I rag on Dorian, I think he's against a wall most of the time), but this is a great trade for Ottawa. A 1st that is only top 3 protected gives them a decent chance at getting a pretty nice pick in this years draft. The islanders aren't winning the division, and could miss the playoffs entirely, so this being a mid first rounder feels pretty likely.

I think going this hard after a rental when you are currently tenuously holding down a wild card spot in a tough division is a big misstep. Maybe the Islanders re-sign him, or maybe they really feel this is the year, but either way, this feels like a massive return for a player who is good, but likely isn't pushing the Isles over the top.