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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2019 at 3:11 p.m.
Thread: Khadri Goes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeastModeUnknown</b></div><div>No I was paying attention to him, he might be having an off year, but I think Carolina would rather pick up someone else that is better and wouldn't cost them pesce.</div></div>

The irony of Pesce is this the argument you use against Nylander. Nylander cant play away from one of the greatest offense in the league, well can Pesce play away from one of the greatest defense in the league? Are we really saying Pesce is going to be more of an impact player long term than Nylander!? The guy already has two 60 point seasons under his belt. To say Nylander doesn't have more to give is foolish, and to say Pesce has more upside is also foolish. Pesce is a shutdown defender, period. Nylander has so much more potential. They shouldn't be in the same conversation.

Kappi for Pesce, period.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2019 at 12:48 p.m.
Thread: Khadri Goes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeastModeUnknown</b></div><div>Nylander's points come from Tavares, Marner, Matthews, Kapanen. You have no proof that he will be "80 Point scorer a year" He is definitely paid like one, but definitely not in the position to be a 80 point scorer. If I am ridiculous, and you say Nylander is a normal 80 point scorer. you are a a casual hockey fan nothing more nothing less.</div></div>

That is a very sad comment. Dont make outrageous blanket comments, it just shows how little you know. First and foremost Nylander has played some of his best hockey of the the top lines. He made Martin, Moore and Nylander line look like a second line last year rather than a fourth. Talk about casual hockey fan, maybe Nylander haters need to watch a game for once. Every team fights and defends their stars when they struggle, the same people saying Laine is a God even though he is 15 games without a goal, are you going to bash him? Get off your high @$$hole horse for once and just shut up. No one cares about your troll mentality.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2019 at 11:47 a.m.
Thread: Khadri Goes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeastModeUnknown</b></div><div>Well, Nylander hasn't produced as much offense as good as Pesce's defense done. Carolina doesn't need anyone from Toronto, you guys need pesce more than carolina needs anyone from Toronto. They need Pesce more than anyone from your team. This is why it would cost more. Also the bonuses Carolina would have to pay, and the problems with what his contract will be compared to what Pesce's better contract and a steal of a contract.</div></div>

This maybe the most ridiculous thing you have ever said, which is impressive!

Carolina cant score. Nylander has two 20 goal seasons and 60 point seasons under his belt. If he was put on a team without Babs system and could fly around with Aho, he will be an 80 point guy, period.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 14, 2019 at 12:12 p.m.
Thread: Trading Nylander for futures
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>I think you’re ignoring the context of this discussion. You said (or whoever I was responding to) that rfas don’t have leverage. Well, they do. Nylander got paid. Matthews got possibly the most player friendly deal out of an elc in nhl history. RFAs have leverage. Tom Wilson just got like 27 million dollars right? Saying that RFAs don’t have leverage is ignoring all evidence from the last 4-5 years</div></div>

Okay, so you just brought up the outliers, should we actually have an intelligent conversation and bring up the vast majority of RFA signings?

<a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/signings">https://www.capfriendly.com/signings</a>

There you go bud, do me a favor and do some research, okay? Okay!
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 13, 2019 at 6:48 p.m.
Thread: Trading Nylander for futures
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Your comments are fair. I didn't want to underpay the RFAs just to try to get under the cap. Leafs in their last two RFA signings have seemed to pay premium prices for their RFAs. Just my thought, that a one year contract don't work. Leafs might really be looking at offer sheets. And why should Johnson/Kapanen, and other give up security and money just because the Leaf got themselves with cap problems by overpaying other players. Hey I hope you're run that all players take less than I would proposed. Still the Leafs would be over the cap and someone will have to be traded.</div></div>

Well, thats the beauty of RFA's, we have control. They don't. I dont even think they have arbitration rights.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 13, 2019 at 6:41 p.m.
Thread: Deals with LA NYI
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>leafsfaninvancity</b></div><div>I would rather have the cup and worry about Doughty's contract as he leaves his prime. Andersen, Doughty, Tavares, and Muzzin, all arguably elite players, are in their primes, with elite and very good talent no where near their primes makes for a championship team. If LA becomes a contender in two years, and the Leafs win 2 cups in the next 4 years, its worth it to me. I'd do the deal. Plus the Leafs have their salary issues to address</div></div>

Exactly, so why are we giving away all of our great valued ELC contracts. Sandin makes the Leafs next year and SDA makes the team halfway through next season/the year after that. Then we are giving up Nylander who even though I am mad at is "Elite" and then you are giving up high draft picks. Just seems like a huge over pay to me. I would prefer a Dynasty over a cup or two.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 13, 2019 at 1:18 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 6, 2019 at 10:11 p.m.
Thread: If Carlyle is fired
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>So in that concept it won't be a 1 for 1 trade. St Louis will say he's a franchise #1 defenceman which he just isn't. He's never been the #1 guy in St Louis always the #2 RHD behind Pietrangelo. How will he play if he thrust into a position of being a top guy? Its hard to say. The blues are going to want Nylander, Liljegren and a 1st and that is a massive overpayment. Nylander for Parayko would be a trade I would do, but only if its a 1 for 1 which it won't be.

I'd rather send Kapanen to Carolina for Pesce, I don't see Parayko as great as most people but I know he's a very good player, I see Pesce as a better fit for TO though since he's more defensive and as long as he doens't turn into a massive dumpster fire like Komisarek did, he'd be a good addition. Just not for the priced people on here are talking about.

Also I don't get some of your logic, you say you can't win if you spend all your money on defence or all your money on offense and then cited several teams who have won the cup recently. Apparently the moral of the story is, you need to have stars and good players to surround them. Nylander is going to be a star (I'd say he already is one) and trading him for far below his value is not a good idea.</div></div>

Another game with 5 goals. One shot on goal and minus one. Thanks for coming out nylander. I hope he can dry his tears with all his money.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 6, 2019 at 1:36 p.m.
Thread: Random spit balling here lets talk about it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>I guess anyone can get traded for the correct return, but why Ellis? He's good, but not that good...also a UFA next year. Also, I don't at all agree that forwards (wingers specifically) have a premium. Wingers are the easiest to replace. I see you're a Leafs fan. The analogy would be why Marner won't get a Matthews contract. Bob McKenzie does a decent job explaining why on TSN. Check it out. Centers and Top Pair Dmen have the premium.</div></div>

For sure and I get that, I guess the argument is, if Laine could be sold at a premium to a team that needs offense, why not move him for a better piece long term. Theres no secret cap is an issue and the argument is Laine will make around 9-11mill. So why not move him out?

Ellis is more so a place holder for an idea of a return, not necessarily the player I would go after.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 6, 2019 at 1:22 p.m.
Thread: If Carlyle is fired
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>Kappi has 1 goal in his past 14 games and you are building a statue for him. I am pretty sure Nylander has outscored him over the past 15 games and if we compare the players ceilings, again Kapanen comes up short. I love Kapanen, don't get me wrong, but Nylander is just better. Nylander is absolutely a top line player and on this squad I see multiple 80+ point seasons for the kid (keep in mind he is still 22 afterall). I think the absolute best year for Kapanen will be a 30 goal 50 + point campaign.</div></div>

Thats not my argument. You are being hung up with the notion of Leaf Fans saying he is bad. That is not my argument. My argument is to move him from our core to bring in a piece we need more. My argument for Kap is that he is a great second line winger with Marner being our number one. We are not an 80 point season from Nylander away from a cup. We are a one amazing defender away from having no team, Tampa included being able to touch our depth. If I have to sacrifice an expensive forward so I can sign Kapp for like 5 years @ 4 and then bring in a Parayko I am doing it without a second look.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 6, 2019 at 1:00 p.m.
Thread: If Carlyle is fired
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>Again, have you watched the last several games? Nylander missed training camp and the start of the season and then came in with the enormous pressure of his contract. Many fans immediately railroaded him because they have apparently forgotten how good he is and that would also impact a player mentally. All of that happened and then he slumped when he was finding his legs, he's getting close to mid season form and his confidence is coming back and he's scoring and creating a tonne of chances. He's dominating from a possession standpoint and he's even added a cycle element to his game which TO needs to do a much better job of as a whole.

And now you are saying that Nylander is embarrassing because in a game the leafs crush the opponent he gets 2 points and that still isn't good enough because a different player had 4 points? Come on man, you are better than this. This is fairweather fan nonsense. Nylander is better than everyone the Leafs not named Matthews, Marner, Tavares or Rielly. There is a big margin between him and the rest of the team. He has so much more skill than the rest of the players and his determination and game is getting much better. Just watch him next game.</div></div>

Again this argument started when I said, if he doesn't go a point per game for the remainder of the season he should be moved this offseason after his bonus is paid for an area the leafs need help. You don't win Cups by spending all your money on defense (Preds, St Louis, Wild), you dont win with spending all your money on forwards (Hawks, in some ways Pens, LA) you need a balance. And spending all this money on JT, Mathews, Marner, Nylander where is the space to get a top defender. The Leafs are one more move from not contending but dominating. Why not move Nylander if he isn't living up to his contract. If Nylander can get you a Parayko, then he is worth moving. Especially when we now have a top 6 Kappi on our hands. Moving Nylander gives up Marner, Kappi and Brown. That is a very VERY solid top 9 RW.