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Forum: NHLFri. at 1:33 p.m.
Thread: 2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #13: Happy trade deadline day!
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I mean do we want to wait for Sandin to turn into something or do we want to win a cup. No true contender got time to wait these days. If u can move a prospect get a good asset do it. </div></div>
Right, okay. I think that the Leafs having Rielly in the lineup instead of Sandin actively makes them worse.
It brings them further away from the cup (or even winning a playoff round) than closer to it.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>
Like look at the last 5 games for Sandin in DC in top 4 mins

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4 assists -11

Meanwhile since the trade Rielly has started getting his act together only having one bad performance his last 5 games.
If he was doing that in Toronto rn people would be screaming for the pressbox and against Tampa stuff like that aint gonna cut it.</div></div>
+/-? in 2023? Come on man surely you understand there are more accurate ways to determine the contributions of a player than frickin +/-

By GSVA Sandin and Rielly are currently equal at 1.4.
Sandin generates most of that value by being a ridiculously strong offensive playdriver and average at defence whereas Rielly is merely a good offensive playdriver and overall average at defence.
Rielly's got more points than Sandin but I'd bet a portion of that is from getting a lot more PP1 time than Sandin (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).
This is not taking into account that Sandin makes 19% of Rielly's amount against the cap.
Imagine having the space available to fit someone like Meier in onto this Leafs roster on top of what you already have.
Nor is this taking into account that Rielly is past his prime and will be regressing whereas Sandin is just gonna get better from here on (and keep in mind that Sandin is an equivalent level defender to Rielly in this very moment).


<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>He struggles against hard forecheck teams and in a playoff run we got Tampa, Boston, and Carolina all of whom play that type of game.
Wish him well but if we go by recent performance especially playoffs Rielly got the advantage and for a team wanting a cup rn u go with the vet. If he was able incorporate better defense like Liligren and handle those tough shutdown assignments he would still have been here but he couldnt. Either way we want a cup so sacrifices must be made. </div></div>

Fine ok Sandin may not have the forecheck negation down yet, but isn't this a preferable problem to deal with over having the worst rush defender (of the playoffs) in Rielly in the lineup instead?
I think not.

And as I said, I think that resigning Rielly and trading Sandin lowered the Leafs chances to win the cup this year (owing to the opportunity costs associated with Rielly's higher cap hit).
But what's worse (worse for the Leafs anyway) is that this decision significantly lowered the Leafs chances to win the cup in future seasons.
Forum: NHLThu. at 3:26 p.m.
Thread: 2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #13: Happy trade deadline day!
Resigning Rielly and trading Sandin out later on could go down as Dubas's biggest mistake ever.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div><div class="tweet"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Went back and tracked the 89 playoff games this postseason. Then wrote all about it <a href="https://twitter.com/EPRinkside?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">@EPRinkside</a>Here's Part 1 on defending the blue line. Why rush defense is so important in today's game, who was the best at it, and how they did it<a href="https://t.co/IpNYtHSvi4" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://t.co/IpNYtHSvi4</a> <a href="https://t.co/ozbMcXfnXN" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/ozbMcXfnXN</a></p>— Dimitri Filipovic (@DimFilipovic) <a href="https://twitter.com/DimFilipovic/status/1552312254736920576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">July 27, 2022</a></blockquote>

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Forum: NHLWed. at 6:40 p.m.