Oct 31, 2016
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yikes</b></div><div>I think it’s more to do with our team play and then jones 50/50. Our team plays poor team defence and effort, very inconsistent. Then add in Jones I think is a goalie who needs to be motivated and fight for something, s right now he’s playing for not getting the first overall pick on top of him struggling gives him a recipe for no motivation. On carolina he’s firstly getting shook by a trade, second he is not the number 1 he’ll have to fight for a start, and third he’s now playing for a team with cup goals. He’s always showed up in the playoffs and dragged the sharks to the finals in 2016, he has pedigree but hasn’t performed this year plus last and I think if he’s got a goalie who will push him plus a team who is amazing defensively he may rebound and for the playoffs this could spell success for Carolina
I can’t say your wrong for not liking jones but I can say fans of San Jose who watch every game can attest to jones skill</div></div>
I think the one point in your favor is that all of a sudden, Jones, Dell, Korenar, Shortridge, etc. all are struggling. That points to more of a system issue.
But there are specific problems with Jones being poor at fighting traffic, being bad on his angles, being immobile, etc.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</b></div><div>Zero chance TO would have any interest in that train wreck of a trade.</div></div>
I think it depends on how you see the players. I see Burns as one of the best defensemen in the league, at least for the next 2-3 years, Dillon as a #4/5 guy that both teams wouldn't be able to keep long-term, and Dell as a capable backup. I see Nylander as a very promising young player with first-line (meaning, not elite) upside, Kapanen as a 2nd-line forward, Hutchinson as a warm body, and Barrie as a top-pairing defenseman having a bad season that both teams won't be able to keep long-term.
If Wilson is intent on competing in the short-run, he won't like it. He loses the clear-cut best player in the deal and doesn't even clear out much salary. But, if he thinks that the window is closed, that Burns will be over-the-hill by the time the rebuild will be complete, and that the Sharks have enough defensive depth he makes this trade.
If Dubas thinks his team can win a cup as is or thinks that Nylander is in the class of a Marner/Matthews/Tavares then he doesn't make this deal. But, if he thinks that Toronto's window is open right now and wants to maximize their chances over the next 2-3 years, he makes this trade.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>villenash</b></div><div>fantastical - good word choice there</div></div>
Intentional. Teams just don't make this many grand trades in one season. I could see Heed/Thornton/Dillon/Melker Karlsson easily being moved in a traditional deadline deal, and maybe one deal where a significant piece like Kane, Burns, Hertl, or Meier is moved but that's it.
But I think that starting fresh around Karlsson, Hertl, Nylander, Vlasic, and a new goaltender (which could be Sorokin) is the best way moving forward. Get a high draft pick or two and the team should be competing again in 2022.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AmericanSniper</b></div><div>Habs pass. Cale Fleury is looking like he will be a top 4 dman and he’s only 21. The Habs aren’t looking to move him. Nick Suzuki is only 20 and he’s a stud too. He could be a first line centre for us. It’s asking a lot to give all that up and a 1st and a 2nd. Not to insult Timo Meier, but I would expect a better player for that package. Meier had a good year last year but he’s been pretty underwhelming this year.</div></div>
That's fair. I see Fleury as more a future #4-5 guy and Suzuki as more "2nd-line center" but I could easily be wrong. Meier has been underwhelming this season. I think the player he was last season is practically untouchable, so there is some risk in who the "real" Meier is.