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Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 3, 2021 at 8:56 p.m.
Thread: Dutchies inspired trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>Cap has not been guaranteed to increase, though it should. With all these young players signing at 7+ I'm sure owners have been told it'll be at $100 mil within 5 years. And they can't guarantee Bishop on LTIR. It's likely, but he still wants to play. If it was a Weber situation, yeah it's a guarantee, but Bishop might even be back this year.</div></div>

Slight error: the cap is guaranteed to go up 1 mill. That has been stated by Friedman. And you’re right I’m not entirely sure about Bishop’s future so in that case you could be right. That’s why it is a trade idea, it hinges on a few things falling into place. Again respectable argument. I’m done with this though. Wish you could’ve made a respectable argument from the beginning.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 3, 2021 at 8:50 p.m.
Thread: Fix Jets Powerplay
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>I want you to go back and look at that first trade. I made a post and comment on my opinion. You came out guns blazing. You made no valid argument, just demanded I see your point as gospel truth. And you did the same thing in the post with FuelYourJets . I have no problem debating, but when you won't listen to reasoning from anyone and just continue to badger with "I'm right and you're wrong" you're not gonna get anywhere</div></div>

Your reasoning was that the Habs would need to trade a pick and a prospect in order to move Gallagher because he would need to be a cap dump. That is what you said stop trying to run away from that fact. Stop trying to spin in. I quoted you word for word.

So of course when you say something as idiotic as that I am going to treat you a certain way. Had your argument had anything to do with Dallas’ cap space instead then we could’ve had a respectful convo.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 3, 2021 at 8:38 p.m.
Thread: Fix Jets Powerplay
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>Who said anything about age??? You're the one who brought that up. They already have Benn and Seguin underperforming at high contract levels. They have Klingberg to resign. Robertson due a huge raise.....esp if you compare him to Suzuki. They don have room or a need for Gally. You can't just look at age and this year. Teams need to plan for the future</div></div>

Hey look at that, a respectable argument finally! That is a fair argument, I disagree however because I have looked at their cap and I believe they could make it work and would want to make it work, but hey that is a respectable argument.

But the issue is that was not your original argument which created this debate. Your argument was that the Habs would have to give up assets to move Gallagher because he would need to be a cap dump. But in reality he is a very valuable forward that multiple teams would want to get their hands on.

And ps you came on to an entirely different trade idea I made trashing me with another person. That was petty, so was I petty back? Of course lol.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 3, 2021 at 8:24 p.m.
Thread: Dutchies inspired trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>There's no arguing with stupid. But you don't make a trade like you just posted. You make it bigger to make it work for both teams. But I guess your mind just can't work it's way around that.

And it's funny that you picked a team that had the cap space to make this trade work, cause it sure wouldn't work with Dallas.

Mic drop.........</div></div>

Really? Dallas doesn’t have the cap space? Is this the same team that has Pavelski’s 7 mill coming off the books after this season and Radulov’s 6 mill coming off the book as well? With onlt Klingberg and a 3rd liner to resign? Klingberg probably gets 7-8 mill tops? That’s an increase of 3.5 mill… in what world do they not have enough cap space going forward? They will have plenty as well as two holes left by those two players to fill. Mic drop. Not only that but that argument would’ve been respectable. That wasn’t your argument. Your argument was that Gallagher is a third liner and the Habs would have to give up a pick and prospect just to move him. Don’t switch now that you’ve realized you’re wrong.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 3, 2021 at 8:10 p.m.
Thread: Fix Jets Powerplay
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>LMFAO. You obviously have no clue about anything NHL, just what's happening in good old Habs land. Actually look at the Gally deal I put together. It's not more, it's structured to help the Leafs cap and the Habs cap. But, you wouldn't know anything about that.

And just so you know, I think Marner is overpaid. But he's performing better than any Habs player currently under contract.

But, the real question is, why am I arguing with a 13 year old????</div></div>

“Look at the Leafs deal it’s structured to help the Leafs cap” so was mine dingleberry ahahaha. We were taking back Radulov’s horrible contract. Don’t try to switch up now stick to your guns. You said Habs would have to give up a pick and prospect just to move Gallagher contract because he is a cap dump. YOU said that. You said it, so stick to it. I created a trade going by what you said I even quoted you word for word go check it out.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 3, 2021 at 7:42 p.m.
Thread: Fix Jets Powerplay
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>I never said he was a bum. In fact, I said I liked him. But he's not worth 6.5 on any team. ANd he is a 3rd liner on a competitive team. I'd love to have him in that spot on the Leafs, but at half the cost. Both him and Price are paid for past performance.
Hoffman is a dressing room cancer (can't stay on a team even if he performs, and reference the Erik Karlsson situation from a few years ago in OTT). The Habs were desperate to try and build on a dream season and made a bad decision on him. Now you can live with the consequences.</div></div>

You don’t actually buy into that locker room cancer bs do you? I hope you’re under 16. Every player in the league are paid for past performance, his performance is as early as last season. You pay a player for what they’ve done, not what you hope they will do. Players earn their contracts. Only the 20 year olds coming off their elc get paid for what you hope they do. Gally would be the 3rd best winger on the Leaves. Wouldn’t that make them a bad team? Also I see the recent package you put together for Gally to become a Leaf (would never happen) and you had the Leafs giving up more than I had Dallas giving up for Gally. You’re a hypocrite and I love it. This is entertainment. Btw Marner was paid for what they hoped he would do. They were hoping he would be able to perform in the playoffs and handed him 11 million (one of the worst contracts in the league) they were wrong. He is actually a negative to the team when it matters.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 3, 2021 at 11:34 a.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 3, 2021 at 10:47 a.m.
Thread: Fix Jets Powerplay
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Exactly, no rational reason. You haven't listed one player of the 8 Winnipeg has that are better than Hoffman, that Hoffman is going to beat out.

You keep bringing up a role player like Svechnikov to compare Hoffman to, yet Svechnikov makes less than a quarter of what Hoffman does and has put up 7 points this year just like Hoffman, lol. Doing so with less ice time and no power play time. I guess that makes Hoffman an AHL'er as well?

So once again, you need to come up with an argument that makes sense for Winnipeg to give up what would be Montreal's best defenseman for an overpaid winger on a bad contract term that they don't need and that produces like an AHL'er according to you.</div></div>

I totally get it bud. You’d rather have a 3rd pairing dman playing 15 mins a game having almost no impact on the game making 3 mill, rather than than 30 goal scorer on a team that is middle of the road in terms of goals for, making roughly the same money.

You’d also rather have an Ahler with a career high 20 points playing in your top 6 than a 30 goal scorer who would be making 3rd line money.

If I were an owner I’d want you to build my team.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 3, 2021 at 10:29 a.m.
Thread: Fix Jets Powerplay
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Yes for Montreal, Hoffman is a good player. For Winnipeg he's not. Tell me of the 8 players I listed on the Jets that are better than Hoffman, who does Hoffman pass? I see zero players on there that he is better than.

You don't have to like it, but Montreal is a bad team with a lot of bad contracts and not many desirable players. Hoffman isn't a good player that's why, before Montreal, every team he played for beforehand would dump him at the end of the season. Montreal has no one that can score goals they need to hang onto the only player theyhave that can pot a few.

So try to make a rational argument as to why Winnipeg would trade for a bad player with a bad contract that they don't have the cap space for and serves no purpose for them.</div></div>

Make a better argument. Saying a near perennial 30 goal scorer is a bad player and that said player after a mill retained making 3rd line money (3.5 mill) is a bad contract is a terrible argument. If you had said you don’t think the Jets can afford him for 2 more years because of other guys needing to be paid going forward there would be a debate to be had. Your Arguments are not good. I don’t understand the way people debate nowadays “I don’t like productive player so productive player bad”. No. On a team that needs depth scoring and help on the power play he is exactly the type of player you need. If you’re trading for him to be a top player on your team then that’s a bad idea. But he is not paid like a top player on a team. After retaining a mill he will be making 3.5 mill. That is 3rd line money. He will easily take Svechnikov’s spot and slide right into their top 6 like a glove and increase their scoring by a ton.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 3, 2021 at 10:18 a.m.
Thread: Fix Jets Powerplay
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Yes for Montreal, Hoffman is a good player. For Winnipeg he's not. Tell me of the 8 players I listed on the Jets that are better than Hoffman, who does Hoffman pass? I see zero players on there that he is better than.

You don't have to like it, but Montreal is a bad team with a lot of bad contracts and not many desirable players. Hoffman isn't a good player that's why, before Montreal, every team he played for beforehand would dump him at the end of the season. Montreal has no one that can score goals they need to hang onto the only player theyhave that can pot a few.</div></div>

I listed a simple one, you don’t want to hear it because you have your mind made up. SVECHNIKOV is an Ahler playing in the Jets top 6. Hoffman is a near perennial 30 goal scorer. He fits exactly what the Jets need BOTTOM 10 power play. He would be making 3.5 million a year after retaining a mill. In what world do you think a bottom pairing 3 mill a year defenseman playing 15 mins a game (most teams pay these guys 750k a year) is worth more than a near perennial 30 goal scorer making roughly the same money? Make it make sense. If the Jets were weak on D I would totally understand what you’re saying, they aren’t. They are going to want to move Demelo’s contract. No way around it, can’t pay a bottom pairing dman 3 mill. You can pay a 30 goal scorer 3 mill. Especially when you’re a team who is having trouble scoring on the power play. Again, if your argument was that the Jets can’t pay him for two more years there would be a debate to be had. The arguments you’re making are simply bad.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 3, 2021 at 10:01 a.m.
Thread: Fix Jets Powerplay
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Montreal should hang onto him then, the Canadiens need goal scoring. Winnipeg just fixed their defense this year, they're not going to move one of those defenseman for a bottom 6 winger with a bad contract that doesn't fill a need.</div></div>

The Habs are rebuilding. And again you’re saying a player who has only scored or been on pace for less than 28 goals once in his career making only 4.5 mill who would have an additional million retained is on a bad contract? Buddy everything you’re saying makes no sense. Are you even following along? Do you not realize the Habs are about to enter a rebuild? The Jets are playing Svechnikov in their top 6, he’s an Ahler. And Demelo is playing 15 minutes a game and makes 3 freaking million a year. He’s a bottom pairing dman. Hoffman is a top 10 goal scorer in the league over the last 5 years. Jets power play is bottom 10 in the league. Their defense has been revamped, they will not be hurt by losing a Dman who plays a measly 15 mins a game.. they will want to move him. They fill a need for cheap while moving a contract that is almost immovable. You don’t have to agree with the trade package but at least make your argument make sense. You brought up Cole Perfetti. Cole Perfetti isn’t even on the damn team full time yet. The best argument you could’ve come up with is you don’t think Jets could afford Hoffman for 2 more years because they have other guys to pay going forward. That is the only logical argument. Making Hoffman out to be a bad player or on a bad contract just discredits your opinion.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 3, 2021 at 9:45 a.m.
Thread: Fix Jets Powerplay
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Replacing Demelo's contract with a worse contract doesn't help the Jets. Plus your price is way too high for Hoffman. Getting a 2nd for Hoffman would be a home run, so getting a good defenseman on top isn't likely.

The Jets also don't need Hoffman as he's behind Scheifele, Wheeler, Connor, Dubois, Ehlers, Copp, Stastny and Perfetti for a top 6 spot and doesn't play defense at all, so he can't be used in the bottom 6.</div></div>

Hoffman is the 6th highest goal scorer in the league over the last 5 years. Habs would need to retain 1 mill to make this deal go through. He makes 4.5 mill which would then become 3.5 mill a year for a player who has only scored or been on pace for less than 28 goals in a season once in his career. I repeat: He has scored LESS THAN 28 goals ONCE in his entire career. You think that is a bad contract? Come up with a better argument. Any team that could gain a near perennial 30 goal scorer for a 15 minute a game bottom pairing dman would in a heart beat. The Jets are playing Ahler Svechnikov in their top 6.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 1, 2021 at 10:56 p.m.
Thread: THE perfect trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>Don't get me wrong, I like Gallagher both as a person and a player, but he spends too much time on the IR and has too high of a cap hit. You can say all you want that he scores on a 30 goal pace, but pace means nothing. You have to be in the lineup to score. If he was that good, he'd be playing with the top center on the team, esp considering the entire team is underperforming.</div></div>

He does play with the top centre on the team every one of those 4 years I just mentioned. That centre happened to be Danault. His cap hit is fine, his comparables contract wise are Chris Kreider, Zuccerello, Van Riemsdyk, Jaden Schwartz and Anders Lee. He’s just as good if not better than all of them. You can’t just look at hockeyDB to judge a player… Hes missed a combined 35 games over the last 5 seasons including this one. That’s 35 games of a possible 315 games… you’re acting like he’s never on the ice lol. He misses about as much time as the average player in the league. You tried to make him out to be a 3rd line bum, you tried to make him seem injury prone neither worked so what is next? Just stop.. GM’s for winning teams who have the cap space free after this season will be fighting to get their hands on a player like Gally. He is a coaches dream.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 1, 2021 at 10:00 p.m.
Thread: THE perfect trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>LOL. You're paying a 3rd liner 6.5 M a year, a contract that was given for past performance. It is a contract dump. You're trying to trade a player to clear cap space. 7th on the team in ice time, consistently injured, over payed for production. That's exactly what this trade is.

But hey, you just keep doing you and live in your dream world.</div></div>

Bwuahaha. No we wouldn’t be trading him to “clear cap space” we’re trading him because he doesn’t want to be in Mtl for a rebuild. He’s 29 in his prime and will want to go to a winning team. He’s scored or been on pace for 30 goals 4 years in a row while not playing with a legit first line centre any of those seasons. He is top 10 in even strength goals in the whole league over that time, he has more even strength goals than Pastrnak over those 4 years, he averaged 1.5 even strength goals per 60 which is .1 goals per 60 less than Ovechkin over that time. Does he play 21 minutes a night? No, but he gets his 30 without it and without a 1st line centre. This is the “3rd liner” you speak of? Man I think you’re trolling me but I cant tell lmao.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 1, 2021 at 9:44 p.m.