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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 31, 2023 at 8:08 a.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DongLord23</b></div><div>Tage is also elite and a better goal scorer than petey. Tage also isn't awful in his own zone. Sound like someone that just looks at charts. He plays a decent amount on the PK. Pretty good stickwork. That line is just plays a high risk game because that's what they're coach to do. They'd rather have them score a ton and give some up. Just because someone is better defensively doesn't make someone on another level.

You realize both were 30 and FAs the next year right? Most people are taking Tuch &amp; Krebs in their early 20s at 5.5M for another 4 years instead of Huberdeau + Weegar at 16.75M in their 30s for another 8 years. I swear people on here just don't understand the value of contracts &amp; cap space.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DongLord23</b></div><div>It's focusing on the the biggest part of value. Why do you think a vezina winner went for free? A salary cap exists. These guys are also out of their prime. Value is about future not what they did the season before. Do you think columbus would trade Fantili for Stamkos?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DongLord23</b></div><div>It's not a huge difference. This also just sounds like someone who just looks at charts and doesn't watch them play. Tage is also a better goal scorer. They are close.</div></div>

In four years you have only posted 1200 comments, but you speak, people should listen as you know of what you say.
Leaf fans actually watch hockey, it is refreshing to hear positive comments about Tage from a Toronto follower.
While I could see his raw talent when he became a Sabre, it took Granato to release it.
Big players often take longer to develop, he is still developing.
Thanks for your comments.
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 12, 2022 at 1:52 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>Personally? If he doesn't take a step up, he's overpaid. And his defensive numbers away from the top pair were abysmal - go check out his sub-40% CF/SF and 8-27 GF-GA numbers when he was with Casey Fitzgerald last season if you think I'm just making things up. He put up better numbers with Dahlin, but to me that doesn't scream "top pair guy", it just says he's able to keep up with a superior player while not being able to make a lesser player better. That's fine! There are tons of players like that, and it doesn't mean he's not a top-4 player. I just don't think he's a slam dunk top pair guy that's going to make this deal look like a steal.

If you want a little more to back that up, I think one of his better comps is Jonas Siegenthaler - both defensive LHD, similarly sized players, and Siegenthaler is only 3 years older and signed his extension 10 weeks ago.

Sieganthaler put up better even strength possession numbers (51.2 vs 47.6 CF, 51.0 vs. 47.3 Fenwick) with similar PDOs (so can't say one was bailed out by better goaltending), and was better at preventing goals when he was on the ice shorthanded (7.2 GA/60 vs. 8.1 for Samuelsson), while having a little over 2 seasons worth of NHL games to judge his game on. He just signed for 5x$3.4M - so the Sabres gave more term and more AAV in this deal today.

Again, my point is that it's not that Samuelsson is going to be a bum, or not live up to the deal, or whatever. It's just that it doesn't make a ton of sense to hand out this deal right now when there is very little I could picture Samuelsson doing that would push his value *higher* than this. He's most likely a middle-pair guy going forward and this is a higher-end middle pair AAV.</div></div>

Raw numbers are not a good way of evaluating a player's defensive game on a bad team. ROR's numbers were bad in Buffalo, despite playing well defensively. You have to look at his isolated impact. He had great numbers.

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The team is much better defensively when he's on the ice.

"If you want a little more to back that up, I think one of his better comps is Jonas Siegenthaler - both defensive LHD, similarly sized players, and Siegenthaler is only 3 years older and signed his extension 10 weeks ago. " Yea that's another good example. I think Samuelsson has a bit more offensive upside though.

I think the contract will either be fair value or a steal. A top 4 d man making 4.2M is right around what they should be getting.
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 12, 2022 at 1:45 p.m.
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Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 12, 2022 at 12:56 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>Here's the big difference: Pelech had played in almost as many *playoff games* as Samuelsson has regular-season games when he signed his big extension. He had basically 4 seasons worth of games backing up the analytics that said he was a top-tier, shutdown defenseman.

Samuelsson has half a season showing that, with some pretty bad numbers on the PK(not great for a DFD). It's not saying he can't live up to it, just that it's a huge risk - and acting like everyone who's tugging at their collar over giving a guy like that $30M is a "casual" is being a bit defensive.

My own opinion is that this is a bit premature - he's a defensive defenseman. What could he have done this season that would've put this contract out of reach for the Sabres? Everything in his junior/professional career shows that he's probably a 20-25 point guy at his peak who can shut down another team's top line. Guys like that usually don't get paid much more than Pelech's deal, which is only about $1.5M more than what the Sabres gave Samuelsson. I don't think the Sabres would have cost themselves a more expensive contract extension by waiting to see if he could make the leap this season.</div></div>

I'm not comparing Pelech to Samuelsson. One was 27 when he got his contract and the other is 22. I'm showing how stupid it is to evaluate a defensive d man by points.

"and acting like everyone who's tugging at their collar over giving a guy like that $30M is a "casual" is being a bit defensive." No, but not knowing anything about the player and giving takes is. If you're looking at point totals for a defensive d man it's very clear the person is clueless when it comes to the player. Just like someone bringing up point totals for Pelech is certainly a casual.

If we gave him a 3 year bridge the cap would be about 95M-100M at the end of that deal. If Samuelsson is still playing on the top pair with good results that would likely be 7M+. This contract could have potentially saved the team 3M per year at that time.
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 12, 2022 at 11:02 a.m.