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Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 1, 2020 at 2:43 p.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsAug. 3, 2020 at 11:04 p.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 29, 2020 at 4:31 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>reelkena</b></div><div><a href="/users/Doucet3" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Doucet3</a>

This is why we hide from leafs fans. Look at this garbage.

(it says Nashville on his profile but cm'on, no one is buying thatl)</div></div>

Loll couple things to look at here before we just hate on Leafers :P

As you pointed out he is a NSH fan his profile says it, there's really no reason to hide he's a Leafs fan aside from people just hating on him because he follows the Leafs. Another is he posted this because it happened in his NHL20 game (his first comment states that) so I mean can't really fault him for posting it out of curiosity. Another point is, looking at his profile shows he was born in 2003, so he's like 16-17? he's still young and a lot of EA Sports has influenced his life.

Overall though who cares if he is a Leafs fan or not? this sites about debating trades, talking hockey and socializing with like-minded people who want to banter about a sport they love I don't know why you are so fixated on hating Leafs fans or 'hiding' from them? Maybe keep in mind that some of the posters are probably younger, even if their profile doesn't show it? I'm assuming, like me, you're over 25 and have been watching for a few decades, instead of trying to put down or belittle someone maybe try and use some of your knowledge and breakdown a trade for him and explain why this wouldn't be such a good trade?

Me personally if I was the Leafs I wouldn't accept this trade at all, it simply just doesn't make sense for the Leafs, unless Dubas changes his ideology and wants to sell part of the farm to make the Cup push then a deal to go after Kane could be made.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 28, 2020 at 3:46 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sens2020</b></div><div>They get the best palyer in the trade in Ekblad and the best draft pick?? I dont see how it doesnt work for them</div></div>

That's all you had to say? do you really think trying to call someone a homer is going to be productive to some intuitive discussion lol?

Now if you want to debate trade talk and try and change each other minds, I'm game for that. Regarding your comment, there is a difference between Winning/Losing a trade and a trade making sense. To give you an example, I'm an NHL team and I have three elite 100 pt/Season Centres making $10 Mill on my team, now if I go and make a trade for a 3rd round pick for another centre that scores 100 points/Season at $10 Mill but will only play 5 mins/game on my 4th line and that year and only puts up 25 points does that make sense? No not at all it's counterproductive to my cap, team, and draft picks, but did I win the trade? Sure... I just acquired a 100pt/Season guy for only a 3rd rounder that's a steal. Even though it's a dramatization do you see the concept I'm getting at?

Now to apply it to this trade, the Leafs are looking for two things in a Dman, Solid Defense and Secondary Scoring (at the very least Solid Defense). They need someone to help add to the core they have already, they have the forward core to compete, now they need the defence to back it up, guys like Sandin, Liljegren, Lindgren, Hollwell and even Rosen are a ways away from competing consistently in the NHL, Dermott? he's quality but not a Top 2 defenseman yet. If you look at Cup-winning teams they have two Top 2 Defensemen (think of Chicago with Seabrook and Keith), now for the leafs to get to that position we need two of the those type of guys, this trade here we give up one for one ... it's a lateral trade with a nice bonus for the future ... but we need that Top 2 Defenseman now while we have this incredible team. So if this trade was to go through then the Leafs would lose the overall trade, they'd win on content but it wouldn't be what they needed as they already have a Top 2 guy, we need another one to be able to get in a solid cup run.

Which is why you'll see NHL commentators says, "we won't know who won this trade for a few years" most of the time because at face value it's easy to call but the overall aspect of things is where the team really wins or loses. Small edit, the point of view that Ekblad is by default the better player is openly debatable, while he's 2 years younger, Reilly has better offensive production and is a Top 2 defenseman, comparable even to Ekblad in that regard, so I wouldn't say he's 'better', ntm that 2020 1st round pick of Arizona's they don't have it, and their 2021 is conditional so if it were to resort to 2022 by then with the team ARZ has could be a 25th overall pick and not worth nearly as much as a Top 10 pick.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 28, 2020 at 3:28 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>reelkena</b></div><div>Ok, well, I guess I'll respond.

First I didn't make the trade. Second I didn't accept the trade. I said it's not as bad as people think and it's at least close. Here's why.

Toronto has too many big contracts. One has to go. These are facts. Tavares has a no move. Matthews isn't going and Nylander's money isn't big enough. (it really isn't, trust me) It's not that Marner sucks or Marner is overpaid or any of that. Marner kinda has to go because it just ends up that way.

So assume that's the plan. (if you wanna argue that point that's fine, it's a separate argument but I'm going on my assumption Marner has to go)

Now what do you look for back? You need to save money and you need spread out the contracts especially over defensemen. You want prospects and picks because they have value but don't cost you cap. (this is why I wouldn't do this trade because it doesn't have the little pieces it needs)

Yes Doughty is on a scoring decline. Hugely. 100% agree. but that's not a problem for Tor. Scoring is not what's missing. D that actually play D is what's missing. Doughty for 5.5 million playing 24 min against top lines is 1000% Tor's biggest issue being solved and at a steal price. (contract wise not Marner wise)

So as I said, it's not as bad as you think. Doesn't mean I'd do it. So relax.</div></div>

Was that so hard? instead of coming at me and trying to ... idk put down the new guy? just be a d*ck? you could have simply laid out you position on it, so we can ... yaknw go back 'n forth and debate it like a forum is meant to be, unless this is another one of those forums where the environment is just completely toxic and unless you have X,000 Posts your POV is disregarded and irrelevant.

Now that we've got the 'formalities' out of the way lol

Fair, I can agree that we have too many big contracts (the fact our big 3 takes up $30+ mill doesn't help). The point of Nylander's cap hit not being enough I just can't get behind though, the reason is because he's slotted at $7 Million (Marner at $11 Million, $4 Mill diff) considering what we do with the situation there is a real possibility we could get a quality D-man and not lose Marner.

If the Leafs don't resign Ceci and Barrie (cap reasons, unless we keep him or we do a sign and trade) you have $7.2 Million, now you can either take that as it is, enter the market with Nylander on the block and the $7.2 Million and have a total of $14 Million of free cash to play with. OR we go a different route, we sign Barrie to a $3-5 Million contract and then decide to either keep him or move him with/without Nylander. Either way you look at it moving Nylander (plus a few other pieces) to acquire a top defenseman and save cap is a realistic move, we don't 'have to' get rid of Marner.

Back to the other points now, Saving money, Agree. Spreading contracts out, Agree. Prospects + Picks, Agree. Heck, even the leafs needing a Dman that actually plays Defense vs focusing on scoring I even agree but to let go of Marner isn't the way to do it, now while the OP's trade isn't ideal and I'd rather search for another defenseman to trade for and for a better deal it's something that I could see being done, swap Nylander for Marner in the OP's trade and that just becomes unrealistic to me, at the very least a gross overpayment for a declining Dman that won't be on the Leafs as a number 1-3 in 2-4 years potentially; which is the point I was making by laying out the statistics.

At the end of it though my thoughts are, the moves the Leafs need to make and their intricacies are going to be a minefield for Dubas in order to achieve lowering his Cap Hit, Acquiring a Top 2 Defenseman, and holding on to as much talent as he can. Now in saying that I know, cap-wise were in a precarious position which makes the other tasks even more difficult to attain, but trading away one of the top wingers on the team and even in the NHL for a Dman that meets our needs of today at the expense of tomorrow's future isn't how we do it. If we go the route of moving Nylander and a few prospects instead (still leveraging tomorrow's future but not losing that elite winger) then that I can get behind as that satisfies a few of our needs. Like I agreed with before simply put to effectively (Nylander) to make it happen I can get behind that.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 28, 2020 at 2:14 p.m.