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Forum: NHL SigningsJul 20 at 4:47
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Forum: NHLJun 27 at 12:51
Forum: NHLJun 27 at 12:08
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsJun 24 at 12:31
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</b></div><div>What the hell does that have to do with anything? Arizona has had terrible attendance since they moved to Glendale and it's never changed. No one cares about the team there. It doesn't matter what sport is the most popular in the US. The team loses money year after year and it's just a matter of time before they leave. Same with the Panthers. Organizations that lose money year after year just won't survive.</div></div>what part of "past ownership issues also do not auto-translate to the current ownership situation" did you not get? just because the team hasn't historically done well doesn't mean they can't change with new ownership that's committed to making the team successful. how is that not a concept that crossed your brain? *le gasp*

and, <em>again</em>, attendance is not a single factor that you can point to in "is a team doing well." it, itself, is a product of several different variables. the Bill Wirtz-era Blackhawks had <em>terrible</em> attendance issues, and we didn't call for their heads and re-location (because they're an Original Six market and no traditionalist would ever call for that). their attendance was bad for <em>a number</em> of reasons. we didn't just look at the bad attendance numbers and go, "oh, well, nobody cares about hockey in Chicago." because it's a dumb chain of logic.

see what i mean about "it looks like you're basically just glossing over every single point i make"? do i necessarily believe that you inherently can't construct a good argument? no. but, from what you've demonstrated so far, it sure looks that way. your entire argument is basically pointing to "nobody in the Sun Belt likes hockey, so why should any team be located there?" but, if there have historically never been hockey teams there, of course there wouldn't be a basis for anybody liking hockey. people don't start liking a sport out of thin air. you don't just snap your fingers, and, suddenly, people like hockey.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsJun 22 at 11:55
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsJun 21 at 5:36
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsJun 21 at 2:06
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</b></div><div>Arizona has the 2nd worst attendance in the league. Also explain Winnipeg then? They make it work with a smaller arena than Quebec city. The reality is, Quebec city would have way more ticket sales which means more money. Arizona is doomed.</div></div>ah, the people who think attendance is actually a key variable in "how well a team's doing" and not "something that is, itself, a product of several different factors." attendance really doesn't tell the whole story, m8. i wouldn't trot that out as an argument alone.


- the Jets don't have to compete with another team in the same province; the Nordiques did and would. and, again, they would just siphon gate revenue away from the Canadiens (and they wouldn't do it well, either; the Canadiens are Québec's team). it would turn into a zero-sum game.

- they wouldn't get more money from a TV deal in the Québec City area compared to the oodles of money they'd get from Phoenix (the weak Canadian dollar, for one, would depress how much money that would actually translate to). TV deals are a big part of how a sports league makes money (look at how the NBA's salary cap jumped by $20 million after their new deal with ESPN, and NBA teams were paying <em>bench players</em> $10 million because they didn't know what to do with all that cap room). again, what does the league care about? moniezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Québec City doesn't give them nearly as much money as Phoenix would.

- it wouldn't generate any new fans. the league is stupid and short-sighted with its financial gains sometimes, but they at least did one thing right in expanding to new areas to get new fans interested and actually grow the game. why do you think every sports league and their mother is trying to break into China? because nobody else is there right now, and it's the 2nd-most-populated country in the world. it's an un-tapped gold mine of revenue. the Sun Belt was that way for the NHL, and they took advantage of it.


it's amazing that people think that re-location is actually a first option the NHL considers and not a last-ditch option when every other option has fallen through. the Thrashers left because ownership actually did not care in the least about the Thrashers and only cared about how well the Hawks were doing. the ownership situation with the Coyotes has actually stabilized, if you maybe hadn't noticed (which, clearly, you didn't). it's not anywhere close to being bad enough for the league to consider re-location at the moment.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsJun 21 at 1:02
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</b></div><div>Not at all. Go look at any post on Sportsnet about the Leafs and read the comments. There are as many and usually more trolls posting on those stories than there are Leaf fans. Troll nation is money for the media and they are the ones behind Matthews is leaving. Matthews was totally open to signing an 8 year deal but it was going to cost more, this has all been widely discussed by both Dubas and Matthews. They both said more term would have been a higher hit and it wasn't going to work so they comprised for a shorter term and lower cap. I bet the moment he can resign he'll do another 5 year term or go longer for a bit less since that will stretch into his mid 30's. He loves the spotlight, literally everyone says that and the notion that he'll give that up to go home to a substandard organization is just ridiculous. I would be surprised if Arizona is even a team by then. They'll be in Quebec city by them.</div></div>(disclaimer: this is dumb, and i shouldn't be wading into petty internet arguments)

big lulz that you think the Coyotes are going anywhere, especially to Quebec City, of all places

the Canadian dollar is still weak, Canadian teams still report revenues in CAN while players get paid in USD, the Nordiques always played 2nd fiddle to the Canadiens in Québec, and there's, like, no Anglophone media in Québec City. all the factors that caused the Nordiques to leave in the first place are still there.

why would the NHL expand to Las Vegas and Seattle? moniezzzzzzzzzzz. money that they weren't gonna get from Québec City; the Nordiques would basically just siphon gate revenue away from the Canadiens and result in a zero-sum game.

i mean, there's also the fact that Alex Meruelo is a billionaire, and he just hired the first Hispanic president and CEO of an NHL team, and, in general, he seems pretty committed to getting the Hispanic hockey community in Phoenix interested in the Coyotes.

but semantics, amirite
who needs to take the time to do research instead of just spouting lazy talking points and calling it a day
Forum: NHLMay 17 at 5:26