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Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 9, 2022 at 5:50 p.m.
Thread: So the Coyotes have to hit the cap floor next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>ladd, eriksson, ghost, beagle etc. are not injured and could not be put on LTIR. seabrook and bishop are both retired and on LTIR, and while on LTIR you can exceed the cap by exactly that amount, so functionally they don't count toward the cap. why would tampa give up a first round pick for literally nothing, just to get off LTIR? it doesn't add any additional cap space for them and they lose an asset. tyler johnson yes but the stars and the bolts would be fools to make this trade, it's closer to the boychuk situation than anything with the guys the yotes traded for last year</div></div>As long as you're using LTIR to go over the cap, you're not technically accruing cap space. It limits your ability to do things like add players at the trade deadline for a playoff stretch run. Having players on LTIR is manageable, but it's not ideal, and most teams would like to have that flexibility if they can get it. I'm pretty sure, for example, that the Lightning would much rather <em>not</em> have Brent Seabrook on their roster if they didn't have to.

Nobody would have predicted the Coyotes doing what they did with the trades they made before the trades happened, but now we know that GMs can get pretty desperate. I wouldn't say these are the <em>smartest</em> moves that a GM could make, but these are very reminiscent of moves that GMs <em>have</em> made in the recent past.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 9, 2022 at 5:45 p.m.
Thread: So the Coyotes have to hit the cap floor next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Aussie_Blackhawk</b></div><div>CHI doesn't need to move the contract, we don't need to pay above a 2nd to move it after only a year removed from receiving the same price. We are a bottom 6 team and will gain more space come seasons end already.</div></div>Well, let's take a look at the math.
The Blackhawks right now: $86.5M
Out: $7M (Fleury), $4.5M (de Haan), $3.9M (Shaw) -&gt; $71.1M
In: $4.1M (Jones' extension), $0.5M (Murphy's extension) -&gt; $75.7M
I did admittedly forget about Andrew Shaw's contract coming off of the books in my original calculus, so this gives them $5.8M in cap space to navigate extensions to Kubalík, Strome, Dach, and some variety of starting goaltender. I guess that is doable without necessarily having to trade Johnson.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 9, 2022 at 5:31 p.m.
Thread: So the Coyotes have to hit the cap floor next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EsoYeezus69</b></div><div>The number of money on Bishop’s contract goes against Dallas’s cap space = 0

The number of things we’ll give you to take Bishop = Blake Comeau if we feel nice, not giving a 2nd for nothing.</div></div>Depends on how pressured the Stars are to get under the cap. They're already $3M over the cap right now as is; I suppose, if they let Pavelski, Radulov, and Klingberg walk in free agency, then there's no incentive to move Bishop's contract.

But, if you took any sort of look at the Coyotes' trade history from last summer, there are at least a few GMs that had to make desperation trades and pay the Coyotes to take on bad contracts. So it's not as if Nill wouldn't consider it, because Bishop's playing career is done, and that's almost $5M just sitting on LTIR (which is not, ideally, what they want). The Stars are also trying to compete for a Cup, which means that they need as much cap room as they can get their hands on.
Forum: NHLOct. 27, 2021 at 2:09 p.m.
Thread: 2021/22 NHL Season Discussion thread #2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>This is something I’ve been wondering as well, but I’m not sure it’ll happen. After all, the executives were responsible for protecting their player, reporting to the police, investigating/firing, etc. none of which happened. The players were “just” being assholes, not technically doing anything illegal, just morally wrong afaik. Unless it’s like, defamation? If toxic masculinity in hockey culture is gonna rear its nasty head and protect people who don’t deserve it, I think this is the point where it’ll start. It’ll get brushed off as regular insults/motivation or some bs. This objectively stupid culture may protect the likes of Chevy and Q as well but I really hope not, and I think following this report the league can’t afford to allow them to stay to protect their image, but in classic NHL fashion will then consider their work done. No I’m not cynical, you’re cynical 😤😤😤</div></div>you're right that I don't think the players will have any sort of legal action taken against them, but the court of public opinion operates differently (and still has some weight behind it).

do we look at the story of Andrew Ladd trying to revive his career in Arizona differently if we find out that he was party to the victimization of John Doe? do we start asking questions about whether Duncan Keith deserves to be a leader in the Edmonton locker room if he was also party to such things? does Jonathan Toews deserve to be captain if he was culpable? these are all valid questions that may need asking.
Forum: NHLOct. 27, 2021 at 1:51 p.m.
Thread: 2021/22 NHL Season Discussion thread #2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Even so, if the findings are true he should not be allowed to stay no matter how much the Panthers want to keep him. Cause it could hurt the NHL's reputation and sponsors could go mmm yeah were out sorry cant support a league who keeps a guy like this around. Which in the end could hurt the league financially.

Still early but with the seriousness of the situation and the reports. I got a feeling hes gone.</div></div>there's definitely a lot of evidence stacked against Quenneville at the moment (not to mention that he said previously that he only found out this summer, a claim that was clearly proven to be false).

Cheveldayoff doesn't have as many condemning quotes surrounding him, but it's also fair to wonder if he should be put on leave while this all shakes out.
Forum: NHLOct. 27, 2021 at 1:30 p.m.
Thread: Goats of this website
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>capsfan2121</b></div><div>Who is the GOAT of capfriendly. Like a user on this website. Give you candidates and favorites below</div></div>in terms of "not saying insanely idiotic things and getting into petty internet arguments," pretty much all of the mods were asked to be mods by Banks because they didn't say stupid things on a regular basis.

Banks also didn't really expand the moderator pool outside of him, Jarvis, and Ryan until late 2019/early 2020, largely because that was the point at which CF had gotten big enough/enough of a mess to require additional moderators. so I would personally nominate the mod team for all of their hard work in keeping this place as a pretty good overall space for hockey discussion without letting it devolve into whatever HFBoards is now. (in particular, F50marco is a pretty smart dude and was one of the first mods that Banks appointed.) I feel a little bad myself about not doing a particular lot of the duties mods are supposed to do, but I've also been sorting through my own personal problems over the last 2 years, so it's been a bit difficult to really get around to doing them, so hats off to the rest of the mods for picking up the slack.
Forum: Chicago BlackhawksOct. 27, 2021 at 1:17 p.m.
Thread: Gutted and Done
no, that's fair, honestly.

sports fandom is a two-way street, as much as some people may or may not forget. your end of the bargain is to cheer for the team and support them, and their end of the bargain is to act and comport themselves in a way that deserves support. if they don't hold up their end of the bargain, you're well within your rights to say, "i'm done here."

this organization has done terrible things, no ifs, ands, or buts. the fanbase as a whole <em>should</em> be asking them why this was allowed to happen and why they should remain fans of this team. and the fanbase is well within their rights to say, "i'm outta here if you can't show that you can change for the better or if i don't believe that you can change for the better."

and condoning these things or coming up with excuses for them says a lot about the person doing such things, and not in a great way. (to be clear, i'm speaking simply as a commenter here and not as a forum moderator, but i would hope that the position of the Davis brothers and the rest of the CF mods is "this was a terrible and shameful thing to have happened".)
Forum: Montreal CanadiensAug. 29, 2021 at 11:24 a.m.
Thread: Montreal Canadiens Season Discussion Thread
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>and they are literally right up to the cap at that point......... forget trade deadline acquisitions. Forget easy call ups when injuries happen. But more importantly and you agreed with me on this, what about next year? How much is Suzuki getting now? What happens when KK scores 41 points and demands 6M+ again next year?

IF KK signed an offer sheet on July 1st, I'd be wayyyyy more forgiving. The team had cap space, Danault wasn't coming back, etc. etc. After the team signs a bunch of players and training camp starts in a month? That put the team in a bind gong forward that they shouldn't have had to be in and didn't plan for.

The ramifications of this are far deeper than you think. The timing was terrible.</div></div>So what i'm going to say about this whole situation comes from a vaguely different perspective, and it is not particularly meant to be a "well, you're wrong, and here's why" sort of deal. But my take on this whole thing devolves into two related but semi-distinct points:

1) Jesperi Kotkaniemi should really be trying to make as much money as he can, at the end of the day, because the team he plays for is certainly going to try and bilk him out of as much of it as they think they can get away with.
It's that sort of line of thinking, that players need to pay their dues before they can make it big, that led to this current system of restricted free agency, along with this nebulous idea that a team and the players that play for it are one big happy family. Hockey is still a <em>business</em>, at the end of the day, and young players get the short end of the stick for hand-wavy intangible reasons that are frankly kinda dumb. You see the extreme end of this in the NFL, with non-guaranteed contracts and running backs that last, like, a few years before injuries and concussions ruin their careers. NFL players have to make as much money as they can with the short playing window that they have. Hockey players frankly should be doing the same thing, because who knows how long their window of opportunity will last to make it big in the NHL.
On top of that, the pandemic has really made it plainly obvious that sports leagues and sports team owners have a severe disdain for anything that is not <em>making money</em>, up to and including the health and safety of their players. Again, you see the extreme end of this in the NFL, where, last season, an entire <em>fifth</em> (as in, 20%) of the league's players wound up on the COVID-19 injury reserve list. Sports teams very much see their players as commodities as opposed to human beings, and, as much as hockey fans might not like to think it, this extends to the NHL, too. Frankly, I think this means that, conversely, players should have a more detached view of their attachment to a team, as well.
$6.1M is a <em>lot</em> of money, and definitely more than the 2-year, $2.5M AAV contract that had supposedly been extended to Kotkaniemi, per Elliotte Friedman; on top of that, Friedman said on the 31 Thoughts podcast that he's fairly certain that the Hurricanes have already discussed what a long-term contract would look like with Kotkaniemi and his agent, making it look like they've done their due diligence. Arpon Basu's reporting in The Athletic also seems to imply that Kotkaniemi, at one point, thought he would be getting a long-term extension from the Habs, but that that thinking changed. This sorta leads into my second point:

2) I think the relationship between Kotkaniemi and the Habs really badly deteriorated, but that it wasn't <em>just</em> on Kotkaniemi's end, and he thinks the Habs have done <em>him</em> dirty in some number of ways. I think Basu's reporting sums up this situation far better than I can, so I'll just drop a couple of quotes from the article he wrote about it:

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>Last season, Kotkaniemi struggled to find consistency, but it should be noted he didn’t benefit from any consistency either in terms of linemates or role. He was 20, remember, and while some would argue the onus was on him to make the best of his situation – it’s a fair argument – it could just as easily be argued the Canadiens did not put him in a situation to succeed.

Then the playoffs began and Kotkaniemi was a healthy scratch. When they ended roughly six weeks later in the Stanley Cup Final, Kotkaniemi was again a healthy scratch. He played a bunch of games in between, 19 to be precise, and produced eight points. He didn’t exactly set the world on fire, but he also turned 21 the day before the Canadiens lost in the Final with him watching from the stands in Tampa.

And then, once the playoffs were over, Kotkaniemi heard his general manager say this: “If I don’t have a choice, if I don’t see there’s a fit, then I’m going to have to rely and hope that KK gets the job done. That’s just the reality of being a GM in the National Hockey League. Sometimes, you can’t fill those spots, you have to be careful, and if it’s not there, you hope the young player’s going to take the next step. I don’t know that for sure, but that might have to be the case with KK.”</div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>The Hurricanes’ motives here are not purely hockey-related, but when they made that offer to Kotkaniemi, they showed more belief in him than the Canadiens had shown in nearly two years. His own GM told the world that the worst-case scenario for his team would be to settle on having Kotkaniemi be its second-line centre this season. So for those who were offended by the fact Kotkaniemi agreed to a contract that was so obviously an attempt to troll the Canadiens – with a base salary of $6,100,015 and a signing bonus of $20 as a way of getting both Kotkaniemi’s and Aho’s jersey numbers in the offer – perhaps Kotkaniemi was in a headspace where trolling the Canadiens was not all that disagreeable to him.</div>

As an aside (and this is more of a point 2a), I'm not particularly willing to extend any goodwill to Marc Bergevin in consideration of this situation, considering how recent events have played out and how he's handled them.
Forum: NHLJul. 24, 2021 at 12:58 a.m.
Thread: 2021 offseason talks thread
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BulinWall</b></div><div>I know but why should we dictate his punishment or whether or not he learned. He’s like an 18 year old kid, probably the superstar in his circle, it’s hard to learn lessons in that environment.</div></div>public pressure is very good for the purpose of enacting accountability. if he is left alone to his own devices, he likely will not learn the lessons that need to be learned from this whole situation.

this is not to say that he <em>can't</em> make amends of his own volition and that public pressure wouldn't create an atmosphere that would hinder that. <em>but</em>, given the character profiles and stereotypes that hockey players have, in the past, inhabited (as evidenced by the details that came out from the current investigation against the Blackhawks as well as the hazing class-action lawsuit brought against the CHL), i wouldn't be surprised if Logan Mailloux is the type of person that <em>won't</em> learn his lesson unless public pressure is applied to enforce some sort of accountability for his actions.

also, if we, as hockey fans, simply forget that this happened and say nothing about it going forward, then we're not exactly contributing to fixing the problem. if we, as fans, don't say anything against this type of behavior, then that gives GMs yet another form of re-assurance that there's nothing wrong at all with what they're doing.
Forum: NHLJul. 24, 2021 at 12:39 a.m.
Forum: Montreal CanadiensJul. 24, 2021 at 12:27 a.m.
Thread: Montreal Canadiens Season Discussion Thread
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>You think they'll renounce his rights?

I have a feeling Marc Bergevin is going to double down and sign him to an ELC within 12 months.



Interesting thing is that Chicago was picking right after Montreal at 31.

Did Marc Bergevin do his old club and his old buddy, Stan Bowman, a favour by not making Bowman face the choice of selecting Maillloux?

With all the things going on with the Hawks?




The fact that Mailloux specifically said on twitter he didn't want to be picked and the Habs pick him anyway seems senseless.




Is this some odd power move by Bergevin against Mailloux where the Habs control his NHL rights until he turns 27 and then he busts out?




The Habs put out a bilingual statement on twitter right away after picking him, which indicates to me that Bergevin was planning and plotting to take him for quite a while.




All we can do is speculate until either Mailloux signs his ELC or the Habs renounce his rights.</div></div>i would honestly imagine that the incoming PR hellstorm tomorrow morning might make Bergevin blink. it certainly made the Coyotes blink, after all, after the fallout from the Miller selection came down. then again, this is a 1st-round pick we're talking about, so there might be more truculence involved.

i would not personally try to read any sort of conspiracy out of this whole shebang, considering it <em>just</em> happened. Occam's Razor is also your friend: the simplest explanation is often the right one.
Forum: NHLJul. 24, 2021 at 12:19 a.m.
Thread: 2021 offseason talks thread
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SevenLeg</b></div><div><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Multiple NHL teams had indicated they might pick Logan Mailloux in the 2nd round of the 2021 Draft despite his renouncing himself from being selected, source tells ESPN. Given that <a href="https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">@CanadiensMTL</a> didn't pick again to No. 63, imagine that's why they took him at No. 31.</p>— Greg Wyshynski (@wyshynski) <a href="https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1418782689965092868?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">July 24, 2021</a></blockquote>
</div></div>there's definitely a big long tangent here about hockey culture that i'm not going to get into (because i'm not going to post a reminder to not post anything discriminatory and then start a rant that might lead to such comments being made). suffice to say:
<img class="for_img" src="https://en.meming.world/images/en/thumb/2/2c/Surprised_Pikachu_HD.jpg/300px-Surprised_Pikachu_HD.jpg" alt="300px-Surprised_Pikachu_HD.jpg">

also, my condolences on the change in your profile picture.
Forum: Montreal CanadiensJul. 24, 2021 at 12:11 a.m.
Forum: Montreal CanadiensJul. 23, 2021 at 11:51 p.m.
Thread: Montreal Canadiens Season Discussion Thread
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kotkaniemi15</b></div><div>So Marc Bergevin is one of the best GMs in the league, but I’m not sure how good of a person he is. That’s rough. That’s real rough.

So, ummm… the habs picked a RHD like I wanted. But, yeah, not the guy I wanted.</div></div>not a good look for Bergevin, for sure.

also, friendly reminder from the mod team, per the forum rules:
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>REMOVAL OF POSTS

Posts that are sexist, racist, ethnic, gender related, homophobic, malicious, illegal, or in any way discriminatory or hurtful to anyone will not be tolerated. We have the authority to remove such posts immediately in our sole discretion. Such posts will receive 5 infraction points.</div>not that anybody is currently in trouble, but take care in how this particular topic gets discussed.