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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 27, 2020 at 1:49 p.m.
Thread: Real quick
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trevorchef</b></div><div>I think if Johnsson had a decent year and didn't get hurt it may fit the request nicely.

He had a bad year and a bad injury. His value has dropped because of this. NJ most likely declines.

I like the top six and the D core you have put together here.

I hate the bottom six.

The goalies are a wash IMO.

Not bad.</div></div>

Totally fair that Johnssons value is less and may not guarantee a pick back but I feel he’s going to get loved anyways so some return of a pick is close to this. But his value has fallen and it may not work perfectly.

The top 6 and d are certainly the key parts of this team. I could see them trying to balance things as well and maybe slide Nylander down a line to give it more pop and move milheyev up or something. I feel like barabanov is going to surprise people with how good he is. And maybe he makes the 3/4 line look better. Ifs for sure but they have some flexibility.

Yes the goaltending is a wash but I think with a full year of Keefe and a d core that’s all mobile this could be a way to run a goalie tandem that’s cheap
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 1, 2020 at 12:24 p.m.
Thread: now what
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>benjgc</b></div><div>Johnsson and Bracco don't satisfy our need for top-6 forward talent (and I mean top-6 on a contender, not on a second- or third-tier team), particularly if they can be a 2C for us. And I think AJP's point was that Peeke isn't a throw-in for us; we're far more likely to part with Murray, Nutivaara, or even Kukan or Savard. And while CBJ would like to clear Dubi's salary, it's not so bad as to be our top priority this offseason, and we're not gonna sacrifice a young, cost-controlled asset like Peeke to do it.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ajp_18</b></div><div>Columbus doesn’t need more forwards lmao. We need a 2nd line center. Columbus has plenty of depth and decent wings. The reason Peeke is 100% off the table is hes the only RHD prospect we have that’s NHL projected and with Savard being a UFA following next season Peeke will have to be ready to step into the top 4 at that time, as will will likely need that cap room to keep Jones. Those are the only 3 RHD Columbus has in their entire organization who are NHL players or prospects. We have lots of d depth yes, but most of them are LHD, not RHD.</div></div>

Fairs points both of you. Im dreaming a little as a leafs fan so i do acknowledge that it might be a bit ambitious to get Peeke. He's a good player and someone id like to add so maybe not a deal to be made. Now if you want to dump Savard we'd be interested in him as well but then what is that price?
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 1, 2020 at 12:09 p.m.
Thread: now what
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McRanteskog</b></div><div>As bad as Barrie was, TOR also forgets that his hole is also 40pts to be replaced too.
Id argue that this D core isnt miles better than what they had as a whole this year.

Id much rather have Ceci/Barrie/Andersen &gt; DeMelo/Holl/Talbot (looking at top4 D assuming Rielly and Muzzin at 1-2 on the left side)</div></div>

Thats a good point they will need to replace those points but i think with improvement from Dermott, Lehtonen isn't going to get 40 but he's a very offensive minded player you can cover that point lose. Demelo covers Ceci's 8 pts and could get more like his 20 he got in past seasons.

I agree that losing Andersen hurts but i really like a smarter puck moving d core helps a lot and will make for a better team. Sign Greiss or Khudobin or someone else for cheap but tandem is the way i think they will try to go
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 28, 2020 at 2:11 p.m.
Thread: Balanced D pairs in a flat cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>The 20 minutes. It's just a comment on all the silly talk that the Leafs need so called # 1 RHD So this # 1 plays 23 minutes, another 20 and the "worse" 17minutes. I'm just saying that three competent guys that play 20 minutes each is maybe all the Leafs need. My theory is it might be lot more cap efficient to have 7m for three guys instead of mystical RHD star which would up the right cost 14m for the three RHD

Actually I don't mind the Benning trade. Looks like Johnsson has to go for cap reasons and if the Leafs can get a competent RHD in his place, as I Leaf fan I would take that. Just wondering if 1m is to low a salary.</div></div>

I see ok that makes sense. Yes, I also would love to add a top-end RD but those are rare and if you can't get those then why not just have a balanced right side that can all play. Would be cheaper and easiwr to acquire for sure i think.

Ya, I didn't want to just low ball the offer so I did some research and according to Evolving-hockey, they project his next deal to be either $1.036M x 1 or $1.351M x 2. I may have stretched it to get him at $1M x 2 but I don't see it being that far off. Maybe he needs a little more but they have no more space based on the team created.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 28, 2020 at 12:19 p.m.
Thread: Balanced D pairs in a flat cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I think that the team you've constructed is real good but falls afoul of some financial realities.

Benning and De Melo will each cost more because some teams in need of RD (Winnipeg and Anaheim, in particular) will pay De Melo the $4 million <a href="/users/Trevorchef" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Trevorchef</a> foresees and Benning is already making $1.9 million, so why would he sign for so much less?

Plus, I think that for Dermott, the most you can hope for is a second or a player, not both.</div></div>

I can see Demelo costing more but I really don’t think Benning will. Evolving-hockey projects his next deal to be either 1.036 on a one year deal and 1.351 on a two year deal. So I don’t think it’s that far to suggest 2x1.

Demelo I can see signing for more no doubt but like I said if the cap stays flat or goes down everyone has less money to work with. If we don’t get him then we can keep dermott or sign Trevor van riemsdyk who also has good underlying numbers.

I think you can get that package from Ottawa because they could use some d help, Jaros played only 13 games with the sens this year so they may not see him as a critical piece, Ottawa’s coach is the leafs former defensive coach so could be a relation there, and Jaros is less a prospect and more just a guy really, the pick is the main return. Just my thoughts
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 28, 2020 at 12:10 p.m.
Thread: Balanced D pairs in a flat cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Gee if Benning is a top 6 Dman and only costs 1m, wouldn't the Oilers keep him?
More nonsense talk about whether a Dman is number 1, 2 or 3, No matter who the Leafs play at RHD, they all better be competent since they are going to play about 20 minutes a game.
Even Reilly can't be considered a # 1 so all coaches are afraid to have him on the PK.</div></div>

You understand saying top 6 d man just means he can play in the NHL and doesn’t mean he’s elite talent right? I’m not saying benning is going to be a top pair shutdown d man just that he can play and he’s undervalued. And I’m sure Edmonton would like to keep him but if we offer then Johnsson who’s had a down year they might go for it with the lack of LW talent they have, the depth of d the having coming up(Bouchard will be in the NHL next year). So sure they’d like to keep him but I’d like to keep Johnsson as well if I could.

Can you explain what you mean by they are all going to play 20 minutes? Im not sure I follow
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 28, 2020 at 10:31 a.m.
Thread: Balanced D pairs in a flat cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trevorchef</b></div><div>The Leafs could do better in an AJ trade IMO.

DeMelo likely gets paid about a million more IMO.

Robertson should spend another year outside the NHL IMO. Regardless of his amazing year and skillset, he is just too young. Better in the long run for him and the organization.

Justin Holl is NOT a top pairing RHD. Not even close.

Some good ideas here though. Thanks for posting.</div></div>

I think we could if Johnsson wasn’t hurt a lot and the cap was going up but those two things make it less likely that we get a real win from a trade I think.

Demelo could get more probably but again the cap won’t likely be going up so what we thought could happen might have to change. So he might have to take less and he gets 3 years on a contract which is nice as well for him.

I’m all for the long game development of prospects and not rushing them but I think he’s at least worth a shot with the leafs next year based on the fact that he had an amazing year and playing with more skilled players will help him to keep developing. Also we are going to need cheap players next year with the cap staying clay or worse going down so he could provide very very good value for what his contract is. Im not saying he stays all year but I think if he earns a spot out of camp you run with it.

Holl is not a top pair d man I agree but that’s just the shutdown d pair. Not saying he’s this great d man just that him and muzzin take the hard matches is all
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 28, 2020 at 10:24 a.m.
Thread: Balanced D pairs in a flat cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Torontoleafs15</b></div><div>Johnsson has more value then Benning.
Demelo will likely cost more
While I agree Robertson should be on the roster, giving him that much minutes will ruin his development</div></div>

He totally does have more value but everyone will know we have to move someone so they won’t want to give us fair value if they know we are in a pinch. And I think Benning is undervalued as well so might not be as lopsided as it looks.

Based on the Evolving-hockey guys who are pretty smart this is about what they expect on a 3 year deal so I think it’s close enough to talk about being possible.

He’s a goal scorer, played lots in junior and need to play higher in a lineup to use his skills to the best of their ability. I think he has to play with a top C or he just won’t be effective right away. I’m ok moving him down to the third line if that’s better though
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 15, 2020 at 2:44 p.m.
Thread: Playoffs 2020
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>newballcoach</b></div><div>I'm not sure Pateryn is the answer. He has played most low leverage minutes in Minnesota, and while he has looked good, that's on the third pair. To expect him to be able to play higher up in the lineup is a big risk.

I think acquiring Lias Andersson is a mistake for what the Rangers are going to want for him. You have made our roster weaker for the time being and the playoff push, not the best idea. If the Leafs want to pick up Georgiev I am betting the Rangers will be waiting until around draft time, no problem for them to carry another goalie this year.</div></div>

I'm not saying Pateryn is the answer but he is someone I think would help this team and not cost as much as other ideas would. He's a right-shot d man which helps as I'm moving out Ceci. He doesn't have a large cap hit so we can accommodate taking it on. His underlying numbers suggest he does well in shot metrics for and against which is an area Ceci struggles with. I'm not saying Pateryn is a must add but his ability to suppress shots is something that would help the Leafs defense a lot I believe. I think Pateryn would be able to play higher as he has in the past. In the previous two seasons he was playing at a second line level and suppressing shots about 10% better than the league average player according to Hockeyviz.com. An alternative option I like is Mackenzie Weegar for all the same reasons and he's younger but for that reason, Florida probably doesn't deal him.

Regarding adding Georgiev he is the third best goalie they have now, Lundqvist isn't going anywhere and Shesterkin is their goalie of the future. He is to good for the AHL as he has a .932 save percentage and a .926 in the NHL(only two games so far). So Georgiev isn't going to play much with him there and he needs a new deal after this year. So instead of sitting and not playing much, he will want to play and NYR should be motivated to move him now so they can get something and the team acquiring him camn see if he fits with them.

Andersson won't cost as much as they want because everyone knows he doesn't want to play there anymore. So that lowers his value for sure. Johnsson is a valuable player that should be enough to get both but if we have to add a late pick or something minor that's ok with me. It does make us weaker at forward yes but Engvall has proven he is an NHL ready talent and able to produce, Mikheyev might be ready come playoffs and you need to give to get and we need to get a better NHL level backup.

Thoughts?