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NHL Signings
Oct. 2, 2023 at 1:44 p.m.
Thread:
Anaheim Ducks signed Trevor Zegras (3 Years / $5,750,000 AAV)
I mean... it's a great value for 3 years, but I still think Anaheim is dumb as bricks not locking him in long term.
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NHL
Sep. 29, 2023 at 3:40 p.m.
Thread:
2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>At least we now know it's a TOR thing and not a Dubas thing when claiming guys off Waivers</div></div>
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NHL
Sep. 22, 2023 at 9:28 a.m.
Thread:
Most Underrated Defenseman in the NHL
Letang is properly recognized around the hockey world. He's also in a bit of a weird position given his age. It's really hard to call a 36 year old player, and soon to be 18 season NHL veteran underrated, especially the title of most underrated defenseman in the league. Hanifin I think has caught a lot of attention in the last 2 years, especially now with him being a top 5 player on CapFriendly's trade bait board among users. Sergachev is interesting. He got a lot of recognition after his break out season last year. I don't think his name is underrated, but moreso his game. A lot of people point to him making only $500k less than Makar, but not being as big of an offensive threat, or as dynamic. But I think there are a lot of people who don't really understand the full scope of Sergachev's game. While him improving offensively was a needed and huge step in his game, he's also very very solid defensively. He's a big body who lays it down, he blocks a ton of shots. He logs heavy minutes, playing top 4, powerplay and penalty kill time. His name is not underrated anymore I dont think, but his completeness as a defenseman is I think.
As for these three names, I would vote for Sergachev. But I don't think he's the most underrated in the league. Like the first user on this post said, Spurgeon is definitely near the top of the list. I think Adam Larsson is up there. Jake Walman after his season last year, I would put him up there. Gustav Forsling is also a very good pick for most underrated.
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NHL
Sep. 18, 2023 at 3:08 p.m.
Thread:
2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>darthsummer</b></div><div>Now coaches aren’t allowed to make players uncomfortable in any way? Even by just sharing pictures that are already likely strewn across social media?
Regardless, young player or vet, right or wrong, as a professional you take this issue to management if you’re uncomfortable with addressing Babcock directly. Texting a goon who hosts a podcast that focuses on filth more than hockey is subversive to the entire team.</div></div>
Lol if you think that most pictures on a 20 YO camera roll go on social media you’re out of touch - coaches shouldn’t have access to a players texts/camera roll. You think the government should have cameras in our homes too?
Seems like a personal problem with you. There’s a reason why a ton of NHL players go on spitten chiclets and why Bissonette is the face of TNT and many other brands
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NHL
Sep. 18, 2023 at 1:35 p.m.
Thread:
2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>darthsummer</b></div><div>There has been zero indication that Babcock “demanded” phones or took them without players’ knowledge. He asked, and by all accounts, nobody refused. If they felt his request put them in a position of an awkward choice, well that’s precisely what “uncomfortable” means.
As for equating it to a job interview (now keep in mind, these athletes already have six-to-eight figure a year contracts), I expect a dive into my personal life to verify my character. While interviewing for my law firm and others, they pored over social media accounts, ran extensive background checks, requested personal writings, held my interview over the course of an entire day, and insisted on having dinner and drinks with not just me but also my fiancée. They contacted references, some whom I had listed and others of their own accord. Plus, the scrutiny to get my Bar license was even more intense and extensive. And that all paled in comparison to the measures taken by a certain government agency with which interviewed years later.
So yeah, I do not see the issue with Babcock’s approach. The prominent players came out supporting his actions; this was just someone using tyranny of the minority, playing off old stories of Babcock to depose him in an unprofessional manner by spinning it to the “media.”</div></div>
We don't know exactly how it happened or exactly how it took place, nor do we know exactly what his approach was. Perhaps nothing would have came from it if he had done some things differently. I'm hosting a team dinner and would like everyone to bring a few photos to share just to break the ice and get to know each other before we get down to business. There's no pressure, it's out in the open, and no concern over invasion of privacy because you are choosing what you wish to share.
If his approach was to approach players privately and demand they let him scroll through their phone, the atmosphere is completely different.
Maybe one of the players is LGBT, or dating a celebrity, or has intimate/compromising pictures, things that might be in their camera roll that they don't wish to share.
Maybe some of them did indeed say no and now they fear their career will be impacted for refusing (or worse, he straight up told them it would impact how he manages them).
Forum:
NHL
Sep. 18, 2023 at 12:59 p.m.
Thread:
2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>darthsummer</b></div><div>Now coaches aren’t allowed to make players uncomfortable in any way? Even by just sharing pictures that are already likely strewn across social media?
Regardless, young player or vet, right or wrong, as a professional you take this issue to management if you’re uncomfortable with addressing Babcock directly. Texting a goon who hosts a podcast that focuses on filth more than hockey is subversive to the entire team.</div></div>
I absolutely guarantee you a lot of younger guys have more private/intimate pictures they aren't on social media and that they wouldn't want their coach to see.
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NHL
Sep. 18, 2023 at 9:31 a.m.
Thread:
2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tintin</b></div><div>Friend, are you still feeling cautiously optimistic or has this last week changed anything?</div></div>
The optimism has faded slightly but i still have a lot of faith in this squad. Pascal Vincent has proven to be a competent head coach in the AHL and QMJHL, so i would hope he gets the boys to rally around him.
Forum:
NHL
Sep. 17, 2023 at 11:22 p.m.
Thread:
2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>darthsummer</b></div><div>Now coaches aren’t allowed to make players uncomfortable in any way? Even by just sharing pictures that are already likely strewn across social media?
Regardless, young player or vet, right or wrong, as a professional you take this issue to management if you’re uncomfortable with addressing Babcock directly. Texting a goon who hosts a podcast that focuses on filth more than hockey is subversive to the entire team.</div></div>
Yes, there are supposed to be more professional ways to address a player's concerns. How trusting are people of those systems in light of fairly recent events however?
At least the issue was addressed in a timely fashion before further harm could be done.
If you sat down for a job interview and they demanded access to your personal photos or files, that would be out of line and not much different from what is (allegedly) taking place here.
You choose what you wish to share from your personal life. If you're put into a situation where you don't feel like you have a choice, that's not simply making someone "uncomfortable".
Forum:
NHL
Sep. 17, 2023 at 4:47 p.m.
Thread:
2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oilersguy</b></div><div>As a coach he should be allowed to motivate his players (especially the young guys) to be training and improving instead of partying</div></div>
He can motivate them without going through their camera roll. You can train hard and still have time to party.
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NHL
Sep. 17, 2023 at 5:27 p.m.
Thread:
2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
Here’s my take on the Babs thing.
We still don’t know all the details yet so we don’t know for sure exactly how it went down. If this was a different coach with a different reputation I’d say wait until we know more about what happened (I mean we got this info first from a random podcast lol). But since this is Backock, who has a long history of these kinds of things (and now he’s already resigned), I think it’s safe to say he did what he was accused of doing. I don’t feel sorry for him at all. He never should have been hired to begin with.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Sep. 15, 2023 at 1:01 p.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Tomas Tatar (1 Year / $1,500,000 AAV)
I usually have a hard time rooting for teams that have recently won a cup, but with Jo, Lehky, and Tuna all on the same team, it’s going to be hard for me not to root for the Avs.
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NHL Signings
Sep. 15, 2023 at 9:01 a.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Tomas Tatar (1 Year / $1,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brian2016</b></div><div>"Drouin is one of the worst players in the NHL. He has been for years. The thought of him playing top 6 minutes on an elite team is pretty wild."
Who is worse?</div></div>
Any of the several hundred if not thousand players who cleared waivers during the time span you refer to or were 4th liners/healthy scratches.
For just Forwards:
Milan Lucic
Denis Gurianov
Jordan Greenway
Mathieu Joseph
Jeff Carter
Brock McGinn
James Neal
Mikael Granlund
Mike Hoffman
Pius Suter
Anthony Beauvillier
Andreas Athanasiou (probably a push)
Nick Foligno
Corey Perry
Jason Dickinson
Craig Smith
Jakub Vrana
Kasperi Kapanen
Sean Kuraly
Josh Bailey
Anthony Mantha
Robby Fabbri
Joel Armia
I'd say Douin is close to the "assist version" of Victor Olofsson so par with him.
Forum:
NHL
Sep. 14, 2023 at 3:41 p.m.
Thread:
2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Dahlin apparently be eyeing a 5 year deal
Buffalo staying at 8 years and hes not happy about it</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR</b></div><div>welp guess he's being traded to the Flyers</div></div>
Nope, he's going to Colorado because god hates us all
Somehow MacFarland will make it work cap-wise
Forum:
NHL Signings
Sep. 13, 2023 at 2:17 p.m.
Thread:
New Jersey Devils signed Keith Kinkaid (1 Year / $775,000 AAV)
👑 <----- you dropped this, KING(kaid).
Forum:
NHL
Sep. 13, 2023 at 11:05 a.m.
Thread:
2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
watching barstool go after babcock
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Forum:
NHL
Sep. 12, 2023 at 2:38 p.m.
Thread:
2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
I honestly believe Jenner and Babcock to tell the truth here.
Feel like it's perfectly natural to (politely) ask someone you're entering a work-relationship with to show some pictures of family and loved ones if it comes up naturally in a conversation between colleagues.
Also, I don't hold this Biz and Spittin Chiclets in very high regard and could totally see them blowing something like this out of proportion purely for the engagement.
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Forum:
NHL Signings
Sep. 12, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Tomas Tatar (1 Year / $1,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Miles wood on your 3rd line would be a bad call, he isn't a good hockey player</div></div>
Must be nice to live in a world of absolutes.
He can deliver value in the role that the Avs have for him and with the players he will be surrounded by.
You probably would have said the same about Val Nichushkin based on his time in Dallas. Smarter hockey people don't look at things the way you do.
Sometimes it's just getting the round peg into the round hole instead of just bashing all those "bad" square pegs.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Sep. 12, 2023 at 2:16 p.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Tomas Tatar (1 Year / $1,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>drewjenkins</b></div><div><strong>Tatar Playoff History:</strong>
2022-23 Playoffs:<strong> (-7)</strong>
2020-21 Playoffs:<strong> (-2)</strong>
2019-20 Playoffs:<strong> (-1)</strong>
Last 3 Playoffs:<strong> (-10)</strong>
Playoff Career:<strong> (-14)</strong>
<strong>He's definitely not outscoring his opposition in every playoff run.</strong>
Did you just try to refute my (valid) points with made up stats that are the opposite of reality?
Grab that soft drink of choice and relax. Just make sure it's not a sugarless f*** or you might regret it.</div></div>
Ah yes, the good old +/-. Didn't realize you're such big of a knucklehead as to bring such a non-stat up in the year of 2023.
My mistake, I've clearly overestimated you.
Here you can see for yourself that at 5v5 Tatar's outscoring or breaking even (this I didn't notice for the Habs runs, admittedly) in goals for vs. goals against in the playoffs.
<a href="https://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20172018&thruseason=20172018&stype=3&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=VGK&pos=F&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">2018</a>
<a href="https://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=3&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=MTL&pos=F&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">
2020</a><a href="https://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=3&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=MTL&pos=F&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">2021</a>
(while you're at it why don't you have a look at how Tatar's outchancing and outshooting the opposition every single playoff run he's involved in)
Given how my initial comment was on his 5v5 play I thought this was obvious enough as to not needing a caveat or having to be spelt out, but then again, I did overestimate your comprehension of reading and context.
Time for that nap now buddy.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Sep. 12, 2023 at 12:19 p.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Tomas Tatar (1 Year / $1,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>drewjenkins</b></div><div>Homeboys got 4 points in his last 30 playoff games.
Dudes on pace for 2 healthy scratches per playoff point.
Grab your soft drink of choice, on the house, and simmer down.</div></div>
What an uninformed take.
You don't have to put up points to be a 5v5 contributor, dude's outshooting and out-chancing his opposition in every playoff run participated going back to 2018.
Outscored his opposition in every playoff run apart from the Devils one also.
The Devils and the Habs scratching Tatar in their respective runs where nothing but poor management decisions.
Having Tatar on the ice instead of guys like Lazar, Byron and Wood would've given the Habs and the Devils better chances at winning then deciding to scratch him.
Why don't you go have a banana and take a nap and see if you can't sleep all that snark off champ.
edit: Tatar didn't outscore opposition at 5v5 in both Habs postseason runs, he broke even those two.
Forum:
NHL
Sep. 3, 2023 at 8:41 a.m.
Thread:
Players that would be nhl caliber without injuries
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Timmins_Is_Eating_Tims</b></div><div>):</div></div>
Don't worry I know how you feel. It's a very good list too!
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NHL
Sep. 8, 2023 at 7:51 p.m.
Thread:
Do You Think NHL GMs actual look at this website?
I doubt if the GMs look at the Armchair or trade posts......but from what we see from NHL GMs maybe they should.
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NHL
Sep. 8, 2023 at 4:30 p.m.
Thread:
Do You Think NHL GMs actual look at this website?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>But reporters do all the time</div></div>
... and sometimes they blast us for our takes lol
I recall <a href="/users/Db1899" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Db1899</a> getting into a bardown video
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NHL
Sep. 7, 2023 at 4:50 p.m.
Thread:
2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>zk97</b></div><div>power, seider (depending on this season), Befart, Fantilli, Cooley</div></div>
“Befart”
Forum:
NHL
Sep. 4, 2023 at 7:49 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 Over-Achieving Player Prediction Thread
I think Ryan Johansen has a good chance of making a comeback in Colorado.
Forum:
NHL
Sep. 3, 2023 at 4:54 p.m.
Thread:
Do You Think NHL GMs actual look at this website?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_Habs_fan</b></div><div>NHL GM’s use this website but they certainly don’t take ideas from us</div></div>
But reporters do all the time
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