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Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 27 at 4:35 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Dubois sucks. You guys are gonzo</div></div>
I agree that he sucks but add in a bunch of futures and you could have a good deal for Toronto.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 27 at 4:28 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>And that should tell you everything you need to know. It isn't a real number. He never actually asked for that. He's just trying to move the overton window to inflate the contract</div></div>
Wtf are you saying.
I'm 99% sure that Tre called Wass and asked what it would take to sign Domi and the answer was 6x$6M.
That is what every single person who writes about the Leafs seems to believe as well.
Where the number ends up nobody knows but to pretend it isn't a real number is just inventing a fantasy in your head.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 27 at 3:15 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>This is not true. You'd know this if you actually read the piece. Its just a number Lebrun made up.
Also, he had a worse season than last year, where he could only get a 1 year prove it deal. Its total BS</div></div>
Pretty much every single reputable journalist (and even unreputable guys like SDPN) are all saying that Lebrun didn't just pull that number out of his ass. It was a number given to him by Domi's agent. I'm not saying he gets it but I'd be shocked if he wasn't asking for it.
If I was his agent I'd also be looking at that number. Bert is asking $5M+ and he put up 43 points playing 16mins a night in the top 6 all season. Domi put up 47 points playing 13 minutes a night with more than half the season in the bottom 6.
I think he ends up doing something like 3x$4.5 or 5x$4M. I was just saying that expecting him back at $3.5M is absurd his agent will push that he has 12 points in the last 13 games of the season playing on the top line. You use him to replace Marner and give him PP time, I'm sure his agent argues he can put up 70-80 points consistently.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 27 at 3:04 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>And yet Chris Johnston's reported that Marner would be willing to waive his NMC...</div></div>
CJ has lots of sources that are agents. Lebrun has more sources in organizations.
Makes sense that Leafs tell Lebrun that they have been focused on hiring a coach and haven't asked Marner to waive. Ferris responds by leaking to a friendly journalist (CJ) that Marner is willing to waive.
It's actually pretty genius for Ferris. Even if in 2 weeks the Leafs as Marner to waive and he doesn't. Unless the team leaks that the public side is that Marner was willing to go but the Leafs never asked.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 27 at 3:02 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>He has no grounds to ask for more lul
If TOR gives him a long term deal in the 6-8 year range 3.5m is likely as he will get stability and more term then anyone in FA will give him
Plus he has said numerous times he wants to stay and if anyone's taking a discount its him. Look what Nick Paul signed for
If hes asking for 4.5-5m on a long term deal bye</div></div>
It's already been reported that he's asking 5 years at $5-6M.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 27 at 12:43 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>3.5m + 5.5m = 9m</div></div>
Max won't sign for $3.5M.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 27 at 12:43 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>You do know they referring to if JT potentially gets traded right
There's always the possibility and thats more money freed up</div></div>
He won't and shouldn't be traded.
He had a fine season, a bit unlucky in the playoffs. Underlying numbers were good, he was good in the world championships. He's not an $11M player but there is no UFA C better than him.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 27 at 12:42 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Unless you trade both Marner and Tavares him coming hurts more than helps as then you and improve the Dcore and goaltending
If you trade Marner salary is coming back in the form of 1 or 2 deals. A team is just not gonna take him for picks and prospects.
Lindholm is gonna ask for at min 7.75m and yes we can do that but then it limits what this team can target afterwards. Domi and Bertuzzi are already reported to be having discussions and both those guys combined will cost us around 9m and when we factor above just not a good idea to go for an expensive toy now
I say wait till the following offseason to target a center as there is someone who makes more sense for our new mold. Sam Bennett give him a Trocheck deal and were set</div></div>
Domi and Bert won't cost $9M combined.
Most rumours are that each one wants close to $6M. It likely settles lower but I'd be surprised if the deals didn't look more than 7x$5.5M for Bert and 6x$4.5M for Max
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 27 at 12:40 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Your crowd is hilarious just dump him for any former star eh?</div></div>
I can see a big deal with LA. Rob Blake's job is on the line at this point. If the deal is Dubois + Futures for Marner extended then I can see there being something here. Blake is essentially betting that by swapping Marner for Dubois that his team becomes significantly better (40 points for 100+ isn't a bad bet). Also LA plays a very direct style so I think its also a smart bet to think that guys like Byfield/Kopitar/Danault/Moore can open up the ice for Marner in the playoffs in a way that Matthews/Tavares/Nylander/Domi can't. I'd point out that in the playoffs when he played with JVR/Bozak in 2017/18 he had 9 points in 7 games, he also did well playing with Knies last year (14 points in 11 games, he trailed off after Knies was injured), same with 2021-22 he did well with Bunting.
To an extent I think the problem with Marner is that he and Matthews don't complement each other in the playoffs. I feel many teams will look at him and feel that in a different scenario he can do better.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 27 at 12:31 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>In which CJ's reported he's interested in waiving...
List of teams that make sense IMO:
Utah (He's the superstar and the big name coming into a new city to the NHL. They also can pay him and give him the C if wanted)
Vegas (It's Vegas)
Edmonton (Marner's good buddies with Hyman, Campbell Ceci, via wedding, + Holland has a way with former Leafs)
Calgary (Marner's friends with Kadri and comes in to be the saviour)
Dallas (Cup contender for multiple years)
Colorado (Same as Dallas)
Florida (Same as the previous 2 with the bonus of great weather and is protected)
Tampa (Same with Florida but not as strong Cup Contender)
Pittsburgh (Relationship with Dubas and has a chance to play with 1 of his 2 favourite players: Crosby)
Ottawa (Still close to home and would be looked at as the hero if he managed to pull them to the playoffs)
Buffalo (Same as OTT but even more-so with how bad the Bills are in the playoffs)
Montreal (Good, young core where he'll get line 1 and be the guy)
Los Angeles (Good weather and a team close to a ring)
Anaheim (MTL but good weather but farther from home)
Chicago (Bedard, need I say more? And it was the other team his other favourite player played for; Patty Kane)
San Jose (Chance to play with Will Smith and Celebrini)
That's 16 teams that I can see him waiving for, not including NSH with ROR and Schenn, WSH with Ovi and Sandin, etc.</div></div>
Utah Makes Sense
Vegas Makes Sense
Edmonton isn't happening. They don't have the money, and Campbell and Ceci are soon gone.
Dallas has more needs on D than upfront.
Colorado would need to be very creative.
Florida would need to lose Montour/Ekblad/Reinhart to afford him so it doesn't make sense.
Tampa doesn't have many pieces (Maybe Sergachev but that is a massive course correct).
Pittsburgh makes more sense than people might think. He's young enough to help this core then be flipped as the main piece to kickstart their rebuilt in 2-3 years. But Pit would need to be willing to sacrifice all their futures for the next 2-3 years to make this work.
Ottawa makes sense but I'm not sure they will move the guys Toronto needs to make it work.
Buffalo (same as Ott)
Montreal never happens
LA makes the most sense, Blake's job is on the line, especially if he can throw PLD into the deal it will allow him to cover up that disaster. If Toronto gets back enough futures, solid player then it can make sense for them.
Anaheim makes no sense and Verbeek hates smaller players
Chicago I can't see paying
San Jose I can't see paying
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 27 at 12:25 p.m.
Thread:
The silliness of Marner trades
Trading Marner at this stage feels more like a statement/attempted culture shift than a hockey move.
It seems like the Leafs are saying that things won't be the same moving forward. The reality is that almost any Marner deal makes them immediately worse. But even if they move him for a bunch of picks, at this point if they signed Zadarov for $5.5M and Tanev for $5.5M and that was your "return" most Leafs fans would take it.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 27 at 12:22 p.m.
Thread:
Running it Back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>The idea that Topi Niemela will ever replace Drew Doughty in any way completely exposes your utter lack of hockey intelligence. It reinforces the complete stupidity of the most ignorant statement ever made on CapFriendly about Los Angeles, which is that "The Kings biggest hole isn't at RD where they have Doughty (veteran), Spence (up and coming). It's at C where they have Kopitar (veteran), Danault (veteran), Dubois (cap dump), Byfield (better on the wing)."</div></div>
Let me just google LA Kings biggest needs and see what comes up:
https://thehockeywriters.com/los-angeles-kings-free-agent-needs-2024/ - Agrees with me
https://hockeyroyalty.com/2024/05/02/la-kings-its-time-to-get-with-the-times/ - WOW they went as far as making the EXACT SAME argument I did that you can't have Spence and Clarke on the same blueline
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5466020/2024/05/02/la-kings-blake-dubois-offseason/ - Again, they see forwards as the biggest issue and Dubois as a cap dump
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/los-angeles-kings/latest-news/kings-should-look-into-mitch-marner-if-hes-available - And now we have someone saying the Kings should move Clarke for Marner
Do I seriously need to go through every website where people get paid to watch, analyze and write about hockey and show you that NONE of them agree with your position. For God's sake, you've had a former NHL executive on this very site explain to you in excruciating detail why you are wrong, and you still won't give up.
Here is the difference between you and me. You run around here with your merry band of idiots criticizing rational proposals because they hurt your feelings when your favourite little guy is being taken away from you. Meanwhile I take the criticism and am right 9/10 times when trades go down. I called the EXACT value on Tanev, Zadorov, Lindholm with midseason trade. I called Hertl or Zegras to Vegas. I called Hanifin to Vegas. I called Lybushkin and Edmunston to Toronto (at the exact values they were traded for) and predicted the Leafs would lose a low scoring first round because of it. I called Bertuzzi and Domi to Toronto, I said Karlsson would go to Pit for free (1st was about what it would have cost to dump all the salary they sent to SJ anyways).
So you keep attacking me, I hope you are enjoying it. Cause when I have real evidence that I am right and you are wrong, your little insults are not going to make me change my mind just so you can give me a little praise.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 26 at 2:31 p.m.
Thread:
Running it Back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ljf</b></div><div>Devils decline, please stop making these kampf - jarnkrok to new jersey without giving US assets trades</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NJTM</b></div><div>Right. The leafs can’t afford them. Why should the devils help you out of a situation you put yourself in. Toronto will not receive a second round pick to get themselves out of a problem they put themselves in.</div></div>
Devils fans clearly didn't watch many Leafs games.
Let me tell you about Keefe's love of Kampf.
Since joining the Toronto Maple Leafs Kampf has had the 5th most TOI of forwards in Toronto. He is literally the #1 forward that Keefe plays outside of the core 4. (Considering they all make $11M+, I think Keefe would say Kampf's $2.5M is a bargain).
He is:
#1 PK
#1 F 5v3
#1 C 3v3
#1 C D-Zone Draws
Plays the shift after almost every goal for
Plays the shift after almost every goal against
#1 in ice time when TOR lead by 1 goal for 2 of his 3 seasons in TOR
No leafs fan is trying to argue Kampf's value objectively. I think 99% of us know he's a high end 4C who should probably be getting $2M a year and playing way less than he does. What we are trying to explain is that this is a player that Keefe trusts and values way more than NJ fans could possibility imagine. I'd bet a significant reason that Kampf was signed the day after the Leafs announced Keefe would stay is because of Keefe. I also wouldn't be surprised if Keefe pushed HARD to get Kampf. If you just signed a new coach for $20M, I'm certain the team will sacrifice a 2nd + $2.5M in cap to get him a guy he feels is a key player in his bottom 6. Especially when NJ doesn't already have another similar player.
Jarnkrok is another version of Kampf. He's Keefe's fixer. Any line that isn't playing well, he takes the worst player off the line and replaces them with Jarnkrok.
So most Leaf fans will tell you with 100% certainty that if NJ could acquire these players for a 2nd and didn't that would likely cause a MAJOR rift between the coach and management.
He has averaged as high as 17:27 per game in a single playoff run. Not a single game, an average across the entire playoffs of 17:27 per game.
In the playoffs, he has a dZS% of 90.2% this year, not even his highest while playing for Keefe which was 92.2% in 2022.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 26 at 12:48 a.m.
Thread:
NYR 101 27
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fox_Czar_Cup</b></div><div>Stramel same boat</div></div>
Stramel was drafted last year
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 25 at 11:35 p.m.
Thread:
Reasonable
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pretzelcoatl</b></div><div>Devils decline. Lazar is better and cheaper</div></div>
Keefe disagrees
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 25 at 9:33 p.m.
Thread:
Going for it with MM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Clarky11</b></div><div>What the heck is that Nashville trade? I live in Saskatoon, watched a ton of Molendyk and that 3rd would need to be a first. At least.</div></div>
Yea he isn't happening Molendyk is a top 15 D prospect by pretty much every ranking. He's a pretty surefire top 4 D. Likely a top 2 D.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 25 at 9:31 p.m.
Thread:
Flip Side
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Danny99</b></div><div>Torts is not going to want Marner or Liljergen. Marner isn't going to backcheck and Liljergen is not a bruiser.</div></div>
Yes the guy who finished third in Selke voting last year doesn't backcheck.
Do you even watch games? Or just **** post.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 25 at 11:15 a.m.
Thread:
Going for it with MM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>Kampf is a cap dump and Jarnkrok has very little value. You aren’t getting a 2nd for them</div></div>
Thanks for showing how little hockey you watch.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 25 at 11:12 a.m.
Thread:
Going for it with MM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SNipeSHowInc</b></div><div>Beauvillier is a young NHLer, Atkinson not so much</div></div>
He is worth a 5th. He's a former 40 goal scorer, put up 50 points in 70 games two years ago. Someone like Chicago would value him at a 5th knowing they can give him top 6 time, retain salary and flip him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 25 at 11:10 a.m.
Thread:
Going for it with MM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>edeangel84</b></div><div>You get Marner without moving Konecny? lol ok</div></div>
Leafs shouldn't want Konecny. They have a much better version of the exact same player in Nylander. Both are build around driving transition and play in the neutral zone.
Where does he fit in Toronto? Can't play with Nylander. Can't play with Matthews? So at best he's on the third line with Tavares?
Makes way more sense to build around York or Drysdale.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 25 at 11:08 a.m.
Thread:
Going for it with MM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SNipeSHowInc</b></div><div>Leafs pass, does Atkinson even have value?</div></div>
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5172724
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 25 at 1:10 a.m.
Thread:
Like Father Like Son
Horrible deal. Domi is a 3rd liner. $4.5M is a massive overpay.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 25 at 1:09 a.m.
Thread:
Dream offseason
Two cap dumps for two young players?
Must be some good stuff up in Vancouver.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 25 at 1:09 a.m.
Thread:
Canucks
You paid to dump Ilya. Now pay for Necas.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 25 at 1:08 a.m.
Thread:
Necas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>Swap Hoglander with Raty</div></div>
Nobody wants Raty lol
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