SalarySwishSalarySwish
Avatar

GM69

GM
Member Since
Jul. 6, 2016
Forum Posts
786
Posts per Day
0.3
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 7 at 11:34 p.m.
Thread: One Or Two More Trades For W Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>You have way to much faith in TSN.
Over here with comments like, you held onto Guentzel, he was never on a TSN list either. Neither was Rust.
Funny how they did better than other on the TOP 50 prospect list......

Anyway, Othmann is an average prospect. It's not some grand ask. You'll learn that the hard way one way or another.

But at the end of the day facts remain. You have an aging core, and you either spend what it takes to give it help to win a cup, or you watch someone else win it while the core ages out.
That's really what it's all about in the end. You can cling on to hopes and dreams on prospects. That has never been the prize.
Penguins knew this, which is why they sold out every year to win.
You clutch on like it matters thinking any of these prospects are going to be panarin..... guess what, odds really low they are.
But in a blink of an eye Panarin will be 35 and your chances are done, and you find yourself too cheap to have actually gone for it.</div></div>


May want to delete your account. Return is bunting, two b level prospects and a conditional 1st if Carolina doesn’t make Stanley cup final. As I said, no one is giving up top prospects for him. Couldn’t even get a full 1st rounder with quantity
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 7 at 10:47 a.m.
Thread: One Or Two More Trades For W Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>You are wrong on every point here.
You keep knocking vegas as if Brisson and Dorofeyev can't be moved.

Kapanan was a very highly respected draft pick, more so than say Othmann. when they moved him for kessel.
So don't tell me the penguins didn't empty the cupboards, they did.

You seem hurt by the fact you can't fleece teams.
You been playing too much NHL 2024.
You aren't the only team with pieces to trade. If you want a guy who nets 40 goals you are going to pay to get him.
You seem to think the pressure is on the penguins. It's not.
When you make a weak offer, they don't "miss out" on something by not doing business with you.
You however do miss out on improving a team who's core is aging that they have spent a lot of money on to try to win a cup.
You don't have many years left to realistically do that. I can tell you now if the penguins Have Sid Malkin and Letang and the cup window closed at about 35,
You can bet Panarin and Kreider as your two best goal scorers being 32 ain't going to fair much better.
So what are you going to do with your window?
Be too cheap to take a real shot at it. Win nothing, and they realize the "untouchable" prospects turn out to be like Kakko.
Or move them for a proven guy and make a run for the cup before you are rebuilding. Because I hate to break it to you, the league isn't going to hand you any more gifts after giving you a 10a and 20a simply because NY is a big market team. You got your shots at that. Turns out they aren't franchise level players.</div></div>

Oh that's why Kapanen was on TSNs top prospect rankings in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018.. oh wait he wasn't. Because while he was a decent prospect, he was never a top prospect. He may have been for Pittsburgh, but that speaks more to the quality of the drafting by the team and the prospect pool you had at the time. You say they "emptied the cupboards" but that's one prospect. You held onto Guentzel didn't you? Tampa held onto Point, Cirelli, Sergachev, Foote didn't they (Specifically during McDonagh/Miller trade)? St Louis held onto Kyrou and Thomas didn't they? Teams that win cups generally keep the specific top tier prospects they have.

https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-top-30-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.183391
https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.436669
https://www.tsn.ca/who-are-the-best-players-not-skating-in-the-nhl-1.677389
https://www.tsn.ca/cupboard-is-stocked-for-up-and-coming-canucks-1.989909

Perreault was 7th this year (D+1)
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/cutter-gauthier-alexander-nikishin-lead-craig-button-s-top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-list-1.2079455

Othmann was 12th in 2022 (D+1)
https://www.tsn.ca/buffalo-sabres-d-owen-power-craig-button-s-annual-top-prospects-list-1.1784411


Now I can try to educate you on the business side of hockey. Something you may not (and do not seem to) grasp.
I would bet money that Pens will 100% trade him by the deadline tomorrow. I do not see them risking him walking in UFA. As you said, Pens have an aging core so they need to acquire as many assets for the future as possible. So there is plenty of pressure on the Pens. If they keep too high of a price for too long, teams will go to their backup options (Duclair, Buchnevich, Toffoli, Eberle, Vatrano, etc). The more teams that back out, the less of a market there is for a player, lowering the competition, lowering the price. Dubas is going to do the best possible to get the best package, but in the end, he will accept the top offer still out there. Whether or not its up to your (lofty) standards, is another question.

Right now there are four teams in on Guentzel-- Carolina (who never makes the big swing), Vancouver (who would need a third party to trade Lindholm as reported), Vegas (who already traded for Mantha AND Hanfin), and NYR.

It's already been reported that NYR declined Henrique &amp; Vatrano (retention was involved) for Kakko &amp; 1st. They just aren't going to overpay. Which likely mean names like Othmann &amp; Perreault are just off the table.

We will see what Guentzel goes for, but I would bet that it's not going to be up to what you have been saying.


You can keep responding if you wish, but I'm done with you.



**EDIT** Vancouver is also signing Kessel so they are likely out as they appear to have gone elsewhere for a winger
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 7 at 9:30 a.m.
Thread: Next year if Chytil is done
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GoofyFoFoofy</b></div><div>Why not just extend Lindy? He won't be expensive and yes he's had a rough season but he's still a good player.</div></div>

He's a good player, I just think the wear and tear on his body is starting to show and would rather trade him now than extend him to a Girardi type contract (which it would be 2-3 years down the line). My thought is he may ask for more than Andersson makes (my guess is $5m) and he just won't be worth that in 2-3 years if he keeps taking the beating he has. They get a solid replacement in Andersson and also could potentially get a mid round pick with the overall packages being swapped. Kakko and Turcotte have both underperformed and I could argue Kakko does have more value, but getting rid of him was more since we have Perreault and Othmann ready to make the jump and Cuylle playing well.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 7 at 9:23 a.m.
Thread: One Or Two More Trades For W Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>you're wrong on all of that.
You keep thinking they "have" to move him. They don't if they don't get what they want they will just hold him.
Believe me, a late 1st, taking on a cap dump and a low level prospect isn't missing anything to help the team.
Fact is they already have offers, he's most likely going to VGK. The delay in the trade being announced I think is more respect to JR who they are giving time to.
You are just angry that you can't get him for nothing. You think you should be able to fleece other teams just because you think you're so special. But it doesn't work that way and your attitude of "they have to" will always end up with you being disappointed in the fact that teams don't "have" to do anything. They aren't the ones still in the race for a cup trying to keep up with other teams.
If anything it's the opposite.
The window in NY is closing with Panarin and Kreider both turning 33 next year. You're high round picks in Kakko and Lafrenière don't look capable of carrying a team.
So you can either go for it, spend the assets and improve your chances... or just fizzle out.
Believe me as a Pens fan I get this, they emptied the cupboards in order to win, and got 2 cups out of it.
So when you say, so and so is untouchable, and they will never do that, you are basically saying, you aren't all in on an aging core that has what 1-2 years left to win.
OK cool, good luck with that. Hope your rebuild after not winning anything goes well, as Othmann isn't going to carry the team any better than Kakko or Lafrenière is.
But you need to learn that with a wasted year on an aging core.</div></div>

I never once said the trade posted passes through. I have no animosity or anger at all, I'm simply stating your point that Guentzel will remain with the Pens if Dubas expects a Perreault caliber prospect which is what you were stating in the comments. At that point Pens can either resign or let him go as a UFA. Vegas doesn't have any true top prospects (if you check the links you'll see none in wheelers top 75 and only Edstrom at 53 on THW January list) so you'll be settling for picks (which they traded this years 2nd, 4th and 5th and next years 1st and 3rd). This happens every season where fans think they are going to get the absolute moon for their players and it just doesn't happen.

https://theathletic.com/5303482/2024/03/04/top-nhl-prospects-2024-matvei-michkov/

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

Pens emptying the cupboards? Pens never traded a prospect of the caliber you are speaking of. They made NHL deals with their players like Whitney, Staal, Sheary, etc; but the only true prospect of note that went on to do anything (that they traded all the way from 2009 to current) was Gustavsson (and on a lesser note Kapanen, before they reacquired him). They traded mainly picks.

It seems you are hurt for me saying Pittsburgh won't get the caliber of the player you want them to include (but also apparently won't help NYR at all so why do you want them in the first place?).
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 6 at 4:52 p.m.