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Armchair-GM
May 27 at 9:05 a.m.
Thread:
Knights Acquire Marner
If they are planning to keep Theodore, wouldn't it make more sense to move Karlsson over Roy? They'll need to dump someone to extend their players and sign a goaltending tandem, the 2.9M difference would make a difference.
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Armchair-GM
May 27 at 8:01 a.m.
Thread:
British Columbia Supremacy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Osaka</b></div><div>Over the cap and this still wouldn't win a cup.</div></div>
It's a good team. They could win.
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Armchair-GM
May 27 at 5:47 a.m.
Thread:
Brady Tkachuk Rumours
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Julius_Freezer</b></div><div>That's way too much for Tkachuk, his career high in points is 84, and goals is 37, he's not worth all that, that's way too much. <strong>Hronek and a 2nd</strong>.</div></div>
Too little, the difference between Tkachuk and Hronek's value is much greater than that of a 2nd and Hronek's with his current contract situation. Tkachuk is a unique type of player, but a team would be paying a king's ransom for him for a lot more than his production. If he had half the points he would still be highly sought after and return a significant package. The Tkachuk brothers are highly overrated, but there's no denying the value they could bring to a team or the high-interest executives and coaches would have in having them on their team.
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Armchair-GM
May 27 at 5:29 a.m.
Thread:
Brady Tkachuk Rumours
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>His NMC doesn’t kick in for another year though doesn’t it? So in the end it’s not really his choice if Ottawa takes an offer from another Canadian team</div></div>
It won't be worth the cost of acquisition for most, if not all, Canadian teams to get Tkachuk as a 4-year rental.
I think it may be worth it for only Edmonton, assuming Draisaitl doesn't sign an extension this off-season. It will be do or die for them, since McDavid may exit after that as well. If things go south, then they can just trade Tkachuk with 3-years remaining (assuming McDavid doesn't extend). There's an argument there for the Leafs but they don't have too many assets to give up and potentially losing both Matthews and Tkachuk in the same year and being left with an empty futures cupboard will be detrimental. Maybe for Shanahan and Treliving on a personal level as management, they might not be too concerned about 4 years since they may be gone by then. Vancouver, if they extend Boeser, would have their core locked up other than Hughes, there shouldn't be any pressure to rush things, as long as they keep progressing. Seems like an unforced error to give a massive package. If it's Hronek + a bunch of picks with the Canucks keeping their prospects, then maybe it could be worth it, even if they give up multiple firsts.
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Armchair-GM
May 27 at 4:54 a.m.
Thread:
Getting older
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Columbus and Winnipeg would check enough boxes equally. <strong>Or your claim is Columbus is safer than Winnipeg</strong></div></div>
I'm assuming Severson thinks that based on the assumption that he doesn't think Winnipeg is a safe place. He perceived Columbus as a safe place, true or not, when deciding to go there. Even if his perception on Columbus has changed, it doesn't really matter in terms of his willingness to waive for Winnipeg, if he thinks Winnipeg is unsafe.
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/new-jersey-devils/features/severson-reflects-on-interesting-process-that-led-to-the-devils-trading-him-to-blue-jackets
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Armchair-GM
May 27 at 4:38 a.m.
Thread:
Getting older
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Yorkton Sask native severson would probably waive for Winnipeg, why assume that the majority wouldn’t, that there is some that would. Hometown being a 5 hr drive and closest nhl rink from home, more than likely puts him in the waive category.</div></div>
Because part of his decision to move to CLB is because he and his wife thought it would be a good and safe place to start a family. I could be wrong but I suspect that being "close" to his hometown is not going to make him want to live in Winnipeg.
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Armchair-GM
May 27 at 1:10 a.m.
Thread:
Getting older
Doubt that Severson waives for WPG, and trying to move him this early in his contract is probably not a good thing for the organization and signing UFAs. He was on pace for a similar total as last year and that might not be enough but it's way too early to try pulling the trigger and moving him. There's really no reason to add Ehlers, especially after adding Marner. Just let the young guys guys battle for that last top 6 spot.
I don't think Toronto is going to take Merzlikins. Replace him with Severson (if you think Pesce is a must-although more than likely you're burying Jiricek). Your proposed trade frees 3M-KJ's contract, which essentially makes this a futures trade for Marner + a cap dump trade.
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Armchair-GM
May 27 at 12:44 a.m.
Thread:
Post Cup Run
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>batman</b></div><div>Is it really too much? The first is almost like a 2nd. The odds of you drafting someone impactful are extremely low.
Kakko is having another rough season. He’s 23. I know some players take time to break out but might just trade him now before he turns 24 and his value is at an all time low. Lafreniere has been capable of stepping up but Kakko.. He was drafted 5 drafts ago.
Othmann is looking like more of a 3rd liner than anything else. Very mid prospect despite being a first rounder.</div></div>
Still, you're giving a 1st+ for Vatrano, who's not exactly a top 6 F himself. A 1st + Othmann should be more than enough, and like Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan pointed out, is probably not something Drury would be willing to do anyways. Vatrano is also on an expiring deal, so I doubt anyone is giving a 1st for him, which is probably fine by Verbeek.
If Dury made the proposed trade and Kakko turns it around with a change of scenery, Drury would likely never end up as a GM again when he gets fired. I honestly think you guys end up losing Lindgren, so if they can trade Lindgren + Kakko for a top 6 F, and then try replacing Lindgren via FA with a 4M guy that could be an option. Could also be Lindgren for the picks. Maybe they could keep Lindgren too and add someone like Konency with retention for Kakko + some picks. Kakko for a different RFA in a 1-for-1 or 1-for-2 like Rossi or Robertson for example might be an option too. Quite a few guys in his draft class that can use a change of scenery or need a better chance at an opportunity (NY isn't the place). Trading him for a 1st RD pick at the draft might be another option but you probably don't want to make an ACGM suggesting that.
Maybe try a take two without buying out Goodrow and signing Lindgren for 5M, Schneider 2.5Mx1 or a 3M+ 2/3 deal, and see who you could possibly add by trading Kakko. Do need to keep in mind that Lafreniere, Shesterkin, Miller, and possibly Schneider will need raises next year.
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Armchair-GM
May 27 at 12:21 a.m.
Thread:
Dubas gets his buddy back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PantsOffnJacket</b></div><div>Im not saying they don't make attempts at getting a top UFA, but that doesn't work out for most teams each year. A player like karlsson would fill the PP1 need they clearly have , along with 20-24mins a night. Yes 10M is a premium aav but he's still capable of filling that with his ability.
Husso has ties to berube, played well under him and while you could get a UFA goalie for cheaper aav , I believe husso could surprise and show he's a starter in the right scenario. Getting that at a cost this low doesn't come along often. (Detroit will likely push for ullmark, markstrom etc I believe and so husso will be available for lower cost)
And I can agree edmundson would be the easier way to go but I see forbort as being much more capable and potentially filling the 2LD spot (over graves here)</div></div>
Having a better option than Rielly on PP1 is an insignificant need compared to their rest. You're not replacing Marner with a top 6F too, so the PP is either the same at best but likely weaker. There is no bottom 6F that is a PK specialist being added to replace Marner. They are better off just keeping Rielly there or even playing Timmins who has had success on the PP, not sure why they didn't play him more last year after he returned from injury. If not Timmins, then they could try signing someone like Gustafsson in free agency.
Husso could be a great pick up, but again, can't ignore the cap implications either.
If Graves cannot be relied as a top 4D, what sense is there in taking on the additional 4.1M in that Marner-Karlsson trade?
In terms of cap, you're paying a lot for Karlsson, Husso, and in your opinion Graves as well. That's a lot of wasted cap, that could be used to add a significant player. The Leafs might not be able to land Pesce but I think if Zadorov is available, they will. Either guy will get overpaid but in comparison to what you have here, they would be less overspending. You kind of fell into the trap of trying to do too much via trade, almost the polar opposite of the ACGMs you are critiquing, except that you aren't trying to get all the big names on the market.
If they fail to get any UFA D of significance in FA, then the next step would be to try taking a flyer on someone and more or less run it back. They would then have to hold out hope that they could find something on the trade market, that's probably when they will know what they'll look for in a Marner trade.
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Armchair-GM
May 26 at 11:52 p.m.
Thread:
Post Cup Run
Will take a lot to get Vatrano, but that's just too much. The potential of that becoming an embarrassing deal for Drury is far too great for him to pull the trigger on that.
Don't think Lindgren is signing that cheap, he has arb rights so no reason for him to try securing the bag, especially if the Rangers make it to the Finals or win the cup.
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Armchair-GM
May 26 at 11:19 p.m.
Thread:
Why is he traded so much
One of Chabot and Chychrun are probably on the chopping block. It's much easier to move Chychrun so that's probably why. Chychrun is not too happy about the trade rumors though.
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Armchair-GM
May 26 at 10:56 p.m.
Thread:
Dubas gets his buddy back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PantsOffnJacket</b></div><div>A goal here was to have a more "realistic" outlook on the building of the team, in terms of not going out and pretending like you can sign 6 of the best UFA guys.
Rather have to use some trades to bring in guys, and the UFAs you do sign are of the character/task filling capacity type players.</div></div>
I agree with the overall message, except that there's no reason for them not to try adding one or two significant pieces via FA, but I'm not a fan of the trades.
Makes more sense for the Leafs to sign a UFA RHD that will be on the blueline for the rest of his prime like Pesce or a LHD that fits the mould of the type of Dmen that Treliving and Berube want like Zadorov. While Karlsson's skill set could be used, he's not filling a major need, and at 10M, it's an easy pass, paying the 2M on top to re-sign Marner makes a whole lot more sense since he's the more useful player overall (higher production, relied upon defensively, utilized on the PK). If traded, Marner is probably bringing back one, not two Dmen to play in the top 4 and not for more cap.
Husso at full cap doesn't make sense when the Leafs could sign cheaper options at half the price or less (worst case two two-thirds) or acquire someone like Gustavsson. Not sure that Treliving would be interested, but any GM that has an interest in Husso would probably want him at 3-3.5M and Yzerman would probably want something of value.
Signing Edmundson over Forbert, for the sake of not making a lot of unnecessary changes, probably makes more sense. He played well with the Leafs and is familiar with Berube.
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Armchair-GM
May 26 at 1:34 p.m.
Thread:
Oilers Fans let me know what you think
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>Chicago would concern me if I were him. Boston could require Taylor Hall and they have a lot secondary picks in this draft. It’s an easy jump for them to think he could pay off more in a flip at worst.
Also, teams with inferior goalies to him that could flip them to a team with a bad one (like Colorado) would also be a concern.
My guess is his list is basically most teams past the central time zone and select Canadian teams that suck in the East though the demarcation point between Detroit, Ottawa, Jersey, and Philly might not be as big as fans perceive
He.could add a Vancouver, Winnipeg, Toronto, or Vegas to potentially remove some bad record options. That said, an injury could change that perspective real quick</div></div>
Yeah, Vancouver especially can be a bad one with how Demko's health has been.
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Armchair-GM
May 26 at 11:32 a.m.
Thread:
Mitch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>I'm just pointing out what the Leafs would have interest in... As all those assets help the leafs...</div></div>
Whether they help or not, I think Treliving would have an interest in the big Dmen.
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Armchair-GM
May 26 at 11:30 a.m.
Thread:
Oilers Fans let me know what you think
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>He can be strategic to a degree, but it will increase his geographical or team quality considerations. My guess is he has west coast teams on his NTC along with most Canadian teams.
Maybe he adds a Toronto, to a trade able team so he can remove a Columbus. Maybe he adds a Winnipeg, so he can remove a Chicago.
I am curious to see how it plays out, but there are enough teams in the list to make a trade.</div></div>
Yeah, i wonder if he would keep Winnipeg off his NLT since they virtually don't need him, unless something happens to Helleybuyck, but it's possible that he's too scared to take chances. I think Toronto is a team that can go for him, and he might not mind but he could probably bet on BOS not trading him in division perhaps unless it's to BUF, DET, or OTT. Don't see MTL having interest but again maybe he takes no risks. Knocking out those Metro teams like CLB, PHI, and NJ would be key. The rest got top-10 goalies but CAR could still be a possibility but he can't block them all. I think SJ and CHI could be left off since they probably won't give up the assets to acquire him. If he was a cap dump then those two would be teams to block, since they could dump him there and then he'll probably want to go about anywhere after that. He probably leaves DAL, COL, and maybe VGK unblocked.
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Armchair-GM
May 26 at 1:21 a.m.
Thread:
Oilers Fans let me know what you think
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>He’s happy in Boston and does not want to leave. He may not have a choice but as long as he does he will exercise it. Edmonton is on the list primarily due to location and it’s not like they can fix that.</div></div>
Yeah, he'll have to be strategic with his NTL next year to try to stay put.
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Armchair-GM
May 26 at 12:45 a.m.
Thread:
Oilers Fans let me know what you think
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>Does not matter if it is better fit, he’s not waiving for any of them. Oh and he used Edmonton as an example of how situations change in terms of having a competitive team over the course a few years. He was not saying he is willing to go there.</div></div>
If he likes what he sees there, it's not farfetched to think that he may waive to play out the final year of his contract. He seems to have no interest in leaving in general, so I don't think he'll go without a fight, maybe at the TDL it happens.
I don't see him being traded to the Oilers in a package for Draisaitl. I'm sure in that case, Edmonton would become even less appealing. (Edit: Not sure why I thought there was a Draisaitl trade).
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Armchair-GM
May 26 at 12:16 a.m.
Thread:
Mitch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Yager
Bunting
Graves
Picks
Pickering</div></div>
Other than Graves maybe and Pickering, and 2nd RD picks or later, the rest are probably off the table. Still would be mediocre. I think the Leafs would have interest in Pettersson as well. I don't think there's a package that Pittsburgh would give that the Leafs would/should take.
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Armchair-GM
May 25 at 11:14 p.m.
Thread:
NSH rips everything down
Didn't even trade the oldest member of the core. Not much of a full-blown teardown.
No sense in retaining on Forsberg's deal, could easily trade him at his cap hit as long as they take back cap from another team. Some teams like Utah wouldn't need to take back any cap.
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Armchair-GM
May 25 at 6:13 p.m.
Thread:
Marner waives
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>babouie</b></div><div>They can use the futures . If they have the cap space to sign UFA'S and get top pics for MARNER it makes sense .</div></div>
Not really, because 1) they don't know who will sign with them and 2) spending 20M+ in cap space in free agency in a single year is one of the worst things a gm can do, will end up with multiple bad contracts. Better off using those pics to try acquiring a couple of guys but two 1sts will only take you so far. Maybe they can package those 3 picks and get Rasmus Andersson instead of having Walker. At 4.5M they'll get someone worse than Zadorov and at 3M someone worse than Monahan.
Trading Marner for cap is not a good idea without them having already signed (whether they make it official or not) one or two high quality UFA and add a quality player via trade somehow.
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Armchair-GM
May 25 at 5:24 p.m.
Thread:
ITS NOT THAT HARD CMON
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoSeider53</b></div><div>I think it will get done, if Zito wants to keep Reinhart. Then the only way realistically it happens is if he deals Aaron Ekblad somewhere.</div></div>
Would ruin my dream still lol. They just need Draisaitl.
I have a suspicion that he may move Ekblad next year regardless, especially if they retain Montour and he does well.
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Armchair-GM
May 25 at 5:19 p.m.
Thread:
Asking prices for trading down from 7th overall
They could still take Dickinson, if you say he's redundant with Sanderson + Chabot/Chychrun that's fair, but they should take Silayev then or maybe try acquiring someone like Weegar that they could use.
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Armchair-GM
May 25 at 5:13 p.m.
Thread:
ITS NOT THAT HARD CMON
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoSeider53</b></div><div>Zito will re-sign Montour, He's already in talks with his agent which is being reported. And <strong>Reinhart will go elsewhere</strong>. Zito already re-signed Forsling and he'll get a deal done with Montour as well.</div></div>
Yeah, I figured he was gone too but was hoping that they could get something done to keep the 2014 draftee squad in tact. Guess he's got to chase the money. I hope Utah doesn't panic buy him for 10M+.
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Armchair-GM
May 25 at 5:07 p.m.
Thread:
ITS NOT THAT HARD CMON
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Snarlsson</b></div><div>What do you expect to get for Marner? Every team in the league knows we want to get rid of him. If you fill a need in a starting goalie and clear cap space, while adding a pick - I dont think you're that far off with this. If you play video games of course Marner gets you more..</div></div>
Maybe they shouldn't get rid of him then, but let's just say they are getting rid of him to address their needs. Goaltending isn't a major need, they don't have to get a starting goalie, just need a tandem goalie to play with Woll. If they want a starting goalie, then going for Markstrom (who is expensive to acquire right now) would make more sense. They are better off trading Marner for someone like Theodore+ if possible over trading for Saros and signing Montour (who likely doesn't take that deal-neither does Pesce).
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Armchair-GM
May 25 at 4:56 p.m.
Thread:
ITS NOT THAT HARD CMON
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoSeider53</b></div><div>
Brandon Montour signs that here in Florida not Toronto.</div></div>
Would be surprised if Florida re-signs Montour at that. Don't think he'll sign for that or at all in Toronto, he'll probably get a big deal from Utah
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