Apr 10, 2017
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jdfitz77</b></div><div>I agree with making room for younger players,
But Bonino isn’t all that good (35pt player, meh)
And would conceivable take up Cozens spot at Center next year
But if we were trading for a guy like Ehlers, or even a Center of his quality, then I’d be all for it
It’s been 6 years since Bonino has scored 20goals
He’s not the 2C we are looking for
Johansson > Bonino, Bujugstad, etc etc
If we are making a trade...
let’s get the best player possible regardless of forward position
Bc we are still building a team for the future, not this year
Skinner-Johansson-Ehlers, looks a lot better to me than...
And then NEXT season...
And then we slot Ehlers with Mittelstadt on line3
That’s how u build a championship contender imo</div></div>
I think I said we disagreed with Bonino, so you are correct. I guess adding an extra year of Bonino over Sheary makes that a bad deal.
BTW, I really like Sheary and only looking to add a center in place of him, but you are correct adding Bonino could easily stifle the growth of Cozens and Thompson.
Johansson is an incredibly smart hockey player, I was and even more now shocked that he signed only a 2 year contract with Buffalo. He is worth his entire salary and maybe a bit more.
BTW, what do you think the Sabres would need to offer to land Ehlers.
Lastly, I agree, a championship is built slowly not rushed trying to achieve a playoff team in one year.
<a href="/users/BigDog91" target="_blank">@BigDog91</a> I like your thought process of moving UFA’s for future assets.
Bonino for Sheary is a great idea of moving a LW (a position that Buffalo has depth Skinner, Olofsson, Vesey and even Johansson) for a player who fills a position that needs help Center.
Vesey and Sobotka could return 3rds if Vesey could find some goals by the TDL even more, Sobotka probably only a 4th, but I like your idea.
OK, let me go out on a limb here, if Scandella continues to play as he has, he could bring back a 2nd (he is on pace for 15 goals) and if a team is close to the playoffs and there are not many scoring LHD on the market, who knows what he will bring back. Same with Bogosian if he can demonstrate that he has recovered from his surgery a RHD seems to be valued very high at the TDL.
I commented on Toffoli below and finally, I really hope Ristolainen is only traded for a huge return, he is still playing 24 a game for his 4 coach.
<a href="/users/Shibbal18" target="_blank">@Shibbal18</a> I would like to add Toffoli, but I agree that Asplund would fit better in the Sabres future than Toffoli (a replacement for Girgensons or Larsson at half the price). As mentioned he is a UFA and I think Betterall will not be trading picks for short term incremental improvements.
<a href="/users/Skyraider112" target="_blank">@Skyraider112</a> You are correct that the team has certainly jelled, but moving UFA’s for future assets (when there may be young replacements in the Juniors or AHL) is a good plan.
<a href="/users/Swagmaster" target="_blank">@Swagmaster</a> I agree, IMO Thompson or Cozens (or both) may be ready at the TDL. Let’s not trade for Toffoli.
<a href="/users/Sabresforlife" target="_blank">@Sabresforlife</a> I think I would rather have Montour. He was the Sabres best defensemen the 20 games he played with the team last year.
<a href="/users/Jdfitz77" target="_blank">@Jdfitz77</a> Well some are not great, but the over all the idea of moving UFA’s for future assets is a good plan. IMO the plan above just needs some tweaking. Do you have any thoughts on ways moving out the UFA's and making room for Bogosian, Montour, Thompson and Cozens?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CrossFireX33</b></div><div>In terms of possession we got outplayed, but honestly the defense that was played while being attacked was great, just couldn't get the puck out. Yes there were a lot of shots but not a lot of them were good chances. The kings are a very experienced team and that showed with lots of possession, just looked like their talent wasn't there anymore. Basically: great game by Hutton, good game by the defense (just had trouble clearing), and an outstanding game by the third line. Hopefully this gets Mittelstadt going.</div></div>
Areas to build upon and continue:
While he made great saves, I thought Hutton was always in position. Can we credit Mike Bales for this? BTW, Carter set a Sabre record for most saves made to get a shut out.
Buffalo did not allow a shot over the last 8 minutes.
Mittelstadt is finally rewarded for his improved performance.
The PK finally played well. The PP was better than against the Ducks.
Areas to improve:
I also thought that too many times instead of clearing the pressure, the Sabre forwards too often were trying to make a play. Now I was not at the game, but maybe they were trying to make a stretch pass which I could not see, but IMO the coach has to be more concerned with protecting the lead at that point (get the puck out of the zone) v trying to pad the lead (making a perfect play).
They forgot how to win face offs, which allowed the Kings to control the play.
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I included all of you because you all commented. A couple of points.
First, IMO CrossFireX33 returns are what he would want. Those are his asking price. The difference between asking price and selling price are often very different.
Second, It is really hard to imagine a coach (whose job depends on who is on the ice) would play any one for nearly half of the game unless the coach had faith in him. Four different coaches have played Ristolainen 24 minutes a night, that sounds like they all had faith in him.
Third, there is no rush to trade him. The team is under the cap, the team has 3 NHL quality defensemen on the mend, yet have the NHL 4th best GAA. The team is off to a great start, why trade him unless the return is remarkable.
Fourth, a fair trade would be a young consistent 60 pt forward (one for one), or a first and a good prospect, or a 2nd and great prospect. This year Ristolainen has really impressed me, but he is not Hedman, Burns, Karlsson or Eriksson, so I could not expect more than any of them would return in a trade.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojme</b></div><div>Not worth it for either team</div></div>
While Buffalo has very good RHD, this is a great trade for a team that could a better RW than Sobotka.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salami4McDonalds</b></div><div>It does not make sense for any of the teams. We need to trade Risto only for help in the top 6 and not for another defender.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Swagmaster</b></div><div>No he is not . I love the player too. Was hoping we would chose him . Hated the Nylander choice. Beyond all that the trade makes no sense for either team.</div></div>
Yup, I will believe until I can proven wrong, but I think final straw the broke the camel which finally convinced Pegula to fire Murray was not drafting friend of the Pegula family Chychrun. I wonder if Murray could have made a trade with Boston for their 2 first round draft picks and Boston picks McAvoy with the 8th pick and Buffalo gets Chychrun with the 14th pick.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonnymc26</b></div><div>so LD is not deep on sabers it will show up eventually and opposite is true for ARI as RD is a bit weak. the plan should be mitts as 2nd center and cozens should slide into the 2nd RW spot eventual. so top 6 is ok for future should focus on solidifying other positions.</div></div>
Before the season started LHD looked weak, but right now it is looking pretty good. Dahlin will become a Norris winner in a couple of year. McCabe is rock solid and Scandella is erasing many of Jokiharju's mistakes. But I do not see Betterall making an essentially lateral deal as this when the team needs a top 6 RW.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonnymc26</b></div><div>speed risto>chychrun, size R>C, offense R>C, defense R<=C, physicality R>C
potential is 2nd pair for both but risto has higher ceiling, its a step down in skill for the saber to help fill weakness from a strength</div></div>
I agree with your assessment. I do not want to see Ristolainen traded for a often injured LHD.
BTW you could add sturdiness to ranking. Jakob has played 68, 50 and 53 games the last 3 years while Rasmus has played 79, 72 and 78 games. Ristolainen has played 59 more games over the past 3 seasons.
First of all, I am a huge advocate of show casing players who may be traded. I do not think that is the plan, but I like your thought process. BTW our crash line is also getting more ice time than Mittelstadt’s line, could they also be dangled as trade bait? I think everyone knows how much I like Larsson and Girgensons, but maybe Asplund and Lazar could play nearly as well at half the Salary?
<a href="/users/Csick" target="_blank">@Csick</a> I agree, Johansson is a smart player and a great free agent acquisition, but he is not a # 2 center on a playoff team. I also agree that Buffalo could be in cap hell in two years.
<a href="/users/gerowrj16" target="_blank">@gerowrj16</a> Cozens is certainly making a case to be in the NHL this season with 5 goals and 9 pts in only 4 games. Next year could be interesting with Cozens and Thompson performing really well in the lower leagues.
<a href="/users/Cheddamonkey37" target="_blank">@Cheddamonkey37</a> I agree that trade never happens, IMO Betterall is very happy with his depth on the blue line. I have been watching the Sabres since their inception, I never remember the blue line being this strong. But if Ristolainen is traded this is the return that Betterall would want.
<a href="/users/Capitalfail67" target="_blank">@Capitalfail67</a> you are correct Buffalo’s RHD is very deep but that does not mean Buffalo should discount one of them to a team that needs defensemen. Ristolainen is still playing 24 minutes a night, so I would hardly call him a #4-6 dman. But you are correct, I would not trade Reinhart for Pionk.
<a href="/users/Wojme" target="_blank">@Wojme</a> I do not think Ristolainen will be traded unless it is for a 60 pt forward.
<a href="/users/Shibbal18" target="_blank">@Shibbal18</a> Let’s get excited about the current team, but you are correct the future looks even better.
I am bemused, I said both teams would say no, but I am getting push back emphasizing that the Jets would say no, but make appear that I think they should make the trade! I wonder what I need to do to say that I agree with people?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tsyls</b></div><div>Bottom line I wouldn’t be moving Vesalainen. To be completely honest, I really don’t want ristolainen. The guy should be moved up to forward lol, he was what -41 last year? I honestly would rather wpg not even consider a risto trade and just let their young guys develop.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Yeah if im looking at it from the 2 sides, its a bigger loss for Winnipeg than Buffalo. This would be a desperation attempt by Winnipeg that would fail rather quickly</div></div>
Actually it is potentially a big loss for the Sabres, let's presume Sheary and Perreault is more or less a wash.
We know Ristolainen can score 40 pts a year, we do not know if the player taken in the first or if Vesalainen will ever play in the NHL.
So Buffalo is actually taking the bigger risk in this trade.
But as I said, neither team will make this trade, so let's agree to that even though we have different reasons.