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GenXHockey

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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 23 at 3:43 p.m.
Thread: Trade Deadline - Playoff Push v3
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kash</b></div><div>I'm sorry; can you elaborate on this? Not because I disagree but my dumb ass is failing to comprehend - that's my bad.</div></div>
Sure.

{Sorry for the delay in responding . . . it was not out of discourtesy; I was a victim of the brief Cookiegate problem and locked out of my account.}

Your premise is that Washington ends up 20th in the league, which is the 12th slot in the draft (except perhaps for the first round due to the lotteries). That translates to the 44th pick this June.

Florida will either win their division (pick 27 most likely) or be a Conference finalist (pick 29 or 30) or a Cup finalist (pick 31 or 32) or finish second in their division, which will probably be pick 24. I chose division winner but losing in round 1 or 2 as a reasonable scenario for your premise. That translates to pick 59 in the second round.

There are four draft-pick-value charts in common circulation; I chose the most recent one. They all come to the same basic conclusion: picks 44 and 59 don't get you into the first round. This may surprise you, but in fact, in order for it to make sense to the team surrendering the first-round pick, Arizona would have to give up their own third rounder, rather than receive a fifth-rounder.

You'll find that some of us CF veterans are experts in arcana.

I enjoy reading your comments!
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 22 at 10:01 a.m.
Thread: Trade Deadline - Playoff Push v3
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GenXHockey</b></div><div>The bottom 6 is not a mess at all. Kampf was scratched for 1 game as an example. He is not a two way forward. He is a defensive centre. Apparently Dowd is worth a 1st. I don't think the million in cap is the difference between getting a 1st and giving a 2nd. Not that I think dowd is worth a first, but the point stands.

Personally I think you move kampf in a trade for a 3c. Teams are willing to take money back in trades. Defensive bottom 6 centre making 2.4m is nothing. In fact a team like the sabres could use his services.

Long story short, this place is full of people that undervalue leafs players as much as leafs fans overvalue them.</div></div>

$1M in cap space is traditionally between a 5th and 6th, Dowd has had more success than Kampf this year despite an even heavier defensive workload, but I agree: he's not worth a 1st.

Kampf more likely costs a 3rd or 4th to move unless he is part of a trade with money in ~= money out. A 2nd is rich. I could absolutely see Columbus doing something like this...next season, at the TDL, with a Kuraly move out and Kampf coming back to fill that 4C role. With no new GM and only one significant UFA, we're probably just going to stand pat for the most part. Anyone with term coming in or going out will have to wait for the offseason once a new GM is hired.

This place is full of so many Leafs fans, the "Leafs overvalue" crowd typically drowns out the "Leafs are undervalued" crowd, which is exhausting when you have cap space or a player that's a perceived fit. I'm just glad we can have a discussion from the other end of the spectrum for once.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 7 at 2:25 p.m.
Thread: Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GenXHockey</b></div><div>Timmins is more of a puck mover. Not sure that they have the right partner for him in the left. But he is signed through next season and gives them a good 3rd pair option at minimum.

Both Timmins and Minten are players they can use in the roster next year which I know the flames are looking for. They want to get back at it right away.</div></div>

I agree completely, in fact I suggested the exact the same trade more than once. But that was before the Pachal pickup. One game is a very small sample size but Pachal looks like a great fit so far. I believe he'll complement Kylington a lot better than Timmons would too.

Kylington = speed and puck skills
Pachal = plenty of grit, hits and tough to play against