Mar. 26, 2018
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>I feel like the logical question here is:
"Why send a 1st+prospect off for a 34 year old, coming off an abysmal year, and getting stuck through his age 35, 36 and 37 years, when you could just spend an extra mil, keep the assets, and extend Klingberg?"
Aging curves are historically accurate, and hoping that Petry will bounce back is a pretty foolish risk to take for this price.</div></div>
Agree to disagree. Couple of counterpoints to your question. Word on the street with NHL insiders' is that Klingberg is looking for 8 yrs at $8M per at the very least. That to me would be pretty foolish for Dallas to do considering Klingberg's numbers offensively have declined significantly in the last four years. But regarding your comment about aging curves, explain how Pavelski (after a down year in his first with Dallas) and a guy like Suter (signing a 4yr deal) that brings him into his 40's is ok but Petry at 34 won't age well? I get that Suter's cap hit is nearly half of Petry's but even Dallas fans know that was a bad contract to sign by Nill.
Here are the facts about Petry's horrible season - in order of importance/impact:
1 - not having Weber anymore as the first pair D (Petry is a 2nd pair Dman), forcing him into a role not ideally suited to him
2 - not having Edmundson on his left side all year
3 - the lingering pandemic and tighten restrictions in Quebec forcing his wife to stay in Michigan with the kids (can't be easy for anybody, regardless of your livelihood or money)
4 - clearly not liking your head coach and trying to get him fired (for the record as a Habs fan, I think Dom Ducharme is a horrible coach and doesn't belong at the NHL level)
None of the above reasons are relating to diminish skills. Having a bad season can happen to the best of players. That doesn't mean Petry isn't a NHL defenseman anymore.
If Dallas did trade for him, I see Petry bouncing back next season for a 45 + point campaign playing behind Heiskanen and paired with Suter which essentially replaces the offense Klingberg has been producing the last few years.
Like most comments here, totally agree with the list breakdown. I think Suzuki is the clear untouchable of the group. The only one I question (because I'm a fan of him) is Price! I get it with the $10.5M cap hit and most recent surgery.....but
But the fact that he checked himself into the Players' Assistance program only means that is mental health (and physical) will only benefit him for the last four years of his contract. Say what you will, but he did take a mediocre team to the finals last season. That's right last season, not 5, not 8 or 10 yrs ago. The problem for MTL with a Carey Price trade is simply the expected return they may get for him. Habs would most def have to retain at least $2.5M to make any deal work. Also, they would need to forget about getting a first round pick (or multiple) in return. And they would certainly have to take cap back. But for me, that doesn't make his value negative, it just limits the number of teams that would actually be interested.
Let's keep in mind the most recent goalies to play past 37-38 yrs old. There was Lundqvist in NYR, Luongo in FLA and currently Smith in EDM and Anderson in BUF. Carey Price when healthy is better than any of these goalies - in the past, during their prime and when Price gets to their age! The only one that had really good numbers was Luongo and Price has always had better mobility and quickness than Luongo ever did. If he stays healthy, Price will still be a top 8-10 goalie in the NHL in the last year of his contract.
And for those that will say "but Carey's never one a Cup", the last time I checked only two goalies can win the cup every season - the #1 and his backup. Change Vasilevskiy for Price and Tampa still wins back to back Cups imo!
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mvp13</b></div><div>Well, your description made it seem like they'd move him because of a sorta center logjam. Either way I think they prefer Bennett over Reinhart at C, but minor details
Hornqvist has an easy buyout price, I made a team just to take a peak and it's doable status quo for them with the buyout. Link if you wanted
I had a look and yes, it does work. However, looking at the current team vs yours, you didn't resign Vatrano or Acciari. And while I don't get to see too many Panthers games, that bottom six isn't great apart from Duclair - which to me shouldn't be on a third line anyway. And also, leaving yourself $180K of cap space on a 22 man roster doesn't seem like good business or roster management. That leaves them with no room for additions at that deadline should they feel the need to upgrade or something. I've never understood why ACGM's posted on here constantly show less than $1M-1.5M of space. You need some cap space for flexibility on your roster. You can (or shouldn't hope) for your highest paid players (or one of them) to go on LTIR the entire year just to have cap space or relief.
And as for the buyout of Hornqvist, while it does work, that $1.7M of dead cap space could be used in a better manner imo. They already have $6.5M of dead space because of Yandle and Darling. Can't see them buyout Hornqvist. And good luck trading him at $5.3M cap hit. You'll need to give a 2nd or 3rd round pick or good prospect to dump him.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>We could have had Byron on waivers during the regular season and we didn't claim him.
So, this is Dadonov with retention to a division rival for a 4th round pick.
Hard pass :(</div></div>
I did the retention first and forgot to adjust after I'd signed everybody and completed other trades. As you can see with the space left, Habs could take on the full Dadonov cap hit. So no problem there.
As for Byron and this rhetoric that "he was on waivers last year, we could have grabbed him for free, why do we want him know" is complete BS. In case you don't know how waivers work, once you pick up a guy - he has to stay on your NHL roster for at least 30 days, whether you play him or not. And when his on your roster, his daily cap hit counts toward the team total (I'm sure you know that already). With that said, by the time Byron was put on waivers the first time, Ottawa had already committed to playing the kids with a few vets sitting in the stands. It didn't make sense for their roster at the time.
Now, with news this week that Dorion has confirmed that both Dadonov and Tierney will be traded prior to camp opening - it seems clear to me that Dadonov now becomes a cap dump. If I'm Ottawa, I'd rather have Byron at $3.4M for two yrs than Dadonov at $5M for two. Byron is a much more versatile player than Dadonov. He's great 5v5 and an excellent PK player. HIs work ethic alone is something the young guns would appreciate in Ottawa. Dadonov is a PP specialist imo. I think the trade works for both teams needs. Habs get someone that could provide extra offense if paired with Suzuki/Caufield and Sens get a versatile bottom 6 winger - which where Dadonov would probably end up playing if Sens can't find a suitor.