Jun 6, 2019
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Im not sold on Holtz, i liked him before but his flaws are nearly the same as Strome, except Strome is already a producing NHLer. The Sabres are not taking Askarov or Sanderson, which leaves Lundell. Im personally not a fan of Finnish produced players and again youre dealing with a player that has the potential to be what Strome already is. After the first 5 forwards go off the board the prospect talent starts tanking. Holtz is not a player the Sabres need and Lundell is not a top 10 player. The Sabres are better off trading it</div></div>
Big difference between strome and holtz though is that holtz has possibly the best or 2nd best shot in the draft class. Yes, his skating needs more work, but it has taken great strides over the course of the year. I agree with you on askarov and Sanderson. As for lundell, I dislike lundell not because I dislike Finnish players, I actually love Swedish and Finnish players, but I dislike him cuz I see too much of kotkaniemi in him. I really, really, don’t like kotkaniemi.
If the Sabres would actually be willing to make a trade like this with the hawks, hey, I’m all for it. I’m not a big fan of strome because I’m much of a fan of big bodies in hockey. I’m very much a speed and skill fan. Strome is most likely gonna be gone either in the next few months or within the next year given what the hawks may take in the draft too.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Caufield is 5'7" and 160lbs, which puts him closer to Cat not Gallagher who's 2 inches taller and 25lbs heavier. Caufield will get crushed on the 1st line.</div></div>
I get that, I really do, but again, that doesn’t mean it’s universal and there haven’t been exceptions. Again, Marty St. Louis, Mats Naslund, Theo Fleury, Mats Zuccarrello, Henri Richard, Yvan Cournoyer. All first liners in their careers. I understand when people don’t like undersized players as first liners, but it doesn’t mean they don’t thrive on the first lines.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wadejos123</b></div><div>Fair enough. Personally I would be very happy if Dach turned out to be like getslaf. Getzlaf was a PPG player for a long time in this league and also had that physical edge and grit that is needed for playoff hockey. I think Dach is less physical that Getslaf and more skilled. Thats why I do think he's closer to Toews than Getslaf in comparison. But it's all just personal opinion</div></div>
I get that distinction, and it’s a fair one. He can be somewhat looked at as a hybrid of the two. However, I still see more getzlaf than anything because (and this is just me), while he is a great defensive forward, I don’t see him winning any selke trophies anytime soon. To me that kinda lumps him in with getzlaf. However, i hate to beat this drum, but I don’t know if he’s PPG caliber. A lot of why I dislike getzlaf is because of his one dimensionality. He’s big and passes well. He has a good defensive game. But never have I ever perceived Getz as a goal scorer. Even with his big body. If Dach gets stronger on his wrist shot, that’d be a huge step forward. But as of now, being 19 and going 28 of 29 games with out a point at one time, time is obviously needed. As I said to chihawk though, I’d I’m gonna dislike the guy and his style of play, it’s only fair I don’t expect too much from him because that’d be blatantly unfair.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>I get it, you're a glass half empty type of guy based on your rants about the team, management, and players. You are extremely critical of the team and the players which I know you and most of our brothers here would agree with. I can only imagine you weren't a fan for the 10 to 12 years leading up to the first of three cups in the last decade because those were years when the fans had real reason to be so critical and upset. This team brought 3 cups in the last decade and the team of the decade as voted by coaches, players and the NHL. They are still a lot of fun to watch, they are going through a retooling and will be back in the playoffs in the next couple years. Fans of 29 other teams would love to have the Hawks roster over the last 10 years. You simply can't win every year or even make the playoffs every year..that's just the way it is with a hard cap and what makes hockey a much better overall sport to follow then other sports...it's the ultimate team sport with the most parity in all professional sports.
Regarding Dach, for someone not to like the top 2 best prospects this team has seen in 10 years amazes me. Shaw, Ladd, Bickell were nowhere near Dach in skill. Dach is the best center the Hawks have seen since Toews and we desperately needed a center to fill the shoes when Toews is gone...Strome is not that guy and Turcotte is a big question mark so the Hawks did exactly what they should have done with the #3 pick as evidence by the fact both Colorado and LA had Dach as their #1 pick also...widely reported. If you don't like his game, then I guess that sucks knowing you will be watching for the next 10 years with likely a C or A on his chest eventually because he is the future leader of this team as it stands today. Like I said, pre and post draft wasn't a big fan, but watching him...the kid has a ton of talent and I was wrong. Rarely have I said I don't like a A caliber player's game...just seems strange to me.</div></div>
Believe me, I’ve been a fan of this team since 1994 when I saw my first game as a 4 year old. Back then, I understand the pain and why it was happening. Bill wirtz ruined a great deal of the 90s and the first 7 years of the millennium due to his policies. Back then, dollar bill was all I knew. Back then, the owner DIDNT MIND THAT THE TEAM WAS BAD. That’s an important distinction to make. I didn’t care how bad they were because it was the standard the OWNER set for the team. Again, That’s a very important Distinction to make. Once rocky took over, things changed. Success was actually a priority. Cups arrived and legends were made. A NEW STANDARD WAS SET. Again, distinctions. This became expected. You can’t win every year, but you damn sure do what’s best for the team as a whole. Be it drafting, free agents, contracts, coaches, GMs, etc., everyone was held accountable. Now, after three years, I don’t see that standard anymore. A standard more familiar to dollar bill seems to be creeping in. Yes, this is a sport of parity and team emphasis, but i want to believe rocky still wants this team to thrive.
As for Dach, who knows bowman may trade like he does all 1st rounders, lol. Everyone and their blind mother knows Dach isn’t like bickell, Shaw, and Ladd. Again, just trying to emphasize I don’t like all hawks. As for Dach being the best center we’ve seen since toews, that’s not asking a lot considering the low bar our drafting of centers has set. I think danault is the only other one I can think of. No, I don’t like his game. Even if I live through ten years of him, that won’t change and that’s fine! If he gets the C or A, good for him. I hope he proves me wrong and actually wins a cup. But if I don’t like him or style, I’m not gonna make the mistake of having high expectations from him. I don’t think I understand who the other top 2 prospect you’re thinking of is though???
I’ll still love the hawks despite him, bowman, and JC. I just hope the standard still is “one goal,” instead of “small goals.”
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wadejos123</b></div><div>I've got a feeling if kane was somehow willing to Waive, Toews, Kieth, Seabs, and Crow would welcome trades as well. Seabs is immovable at least for two more years when his NMC turns to a M-NTC, but maybe he would just retire if the rest of the gang left him</div></div>
I’d have to imagine you’re right. If one of the five get the ball rolling, it’s very possible each one could finally request an out. I do think it’s fair to say that won’t ever happen though. I’m sure that definitely goes without saying. This is more to illustrate what Kane could (and probably should) fetch in a trade.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DiehardRedWingsFan58</b></div><div>:laugh :laugh Patrick Kane isn't waiving his NMC for Montreal, And FYI Cole Caufield has committed to his Sophomore year at Wisconsin so he's not playing in the NHL next season. And Strome alone isn't getting you Jonas Brodin.</div></div>
No, Kane would never waive for Montreal, unless by some miracle they became a top 3 team in the next few years. Yes, caufield will be returning to college. No, strome probably wouldn’t get brodin straight up, even though the trade actually addresses both teams. Thank you for the opinions.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>I get you're a pessimistic glass half empty guy, but seriously I don't get the "I'm never going to like Dach" comment. So you mean if he put up over 82 points a season when he peaks, you still won't like him? Seems kind of foolish to say that.
You and I had strong feelings prior to the draft and post draft and then Dach started playing at 18 years old...nobody in their right mind would question him at this point. He's done more then anyone else in his draft class so far, and you are saying he needs to prove more....you should be saying the kids that couldn't step into the NHL should prove more then Dach at this point. I'll look forward to watching Dach's progress this coming season versus Turcotte in his first NHL season but as of now, nobody in their right mind would be questioning the Hawks pick. I ate crap and admit I'm wrong, you should consider doing the same.</div></div>
I’ve talked about this plenty of times. Just because they’re hawks doesn’t mean I’m going to like the player or the type of player they are. I never liked bickell, never quite liked Shaw, I never even liked Andrew Ladd I’d I’m being honest. Doesn’t mean I didn’t root for the hawks.
Dach is gonna be no different. He can have a great career, good for him. Good for him for making strides this season. In all honesty, he turned out to be exactly what his draft profile said. They said he was probably most NHL ready, so at least that part turned out true. I don’t like getzlaf or getzlaf styled players. Him having a great career doesn’t depend on my respect though. That’s fine. In case you want me to say it, no, I’m not gonna be a fan of his even if he hits 82 points a season. If he gets 50 a season I’ll at least take it.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Generally, teams do not put small players on the 1st line, they play their bigger guys up front. Look at Cat, take a look at his advanced stats on the 1st line...despite playing with better talent....he's sucked. Hockey is about matchups and balance. There is a reason Kane has played most of his career on the 2nd line also. 1st liners are the generally the bigger, faster, stronger, and talented guys....they close in fast and play physical, that's why generally smaller guys play middle 6 to allow them space to perform better. Cat is a perfect example of this.</div></div>
You use The example of cat, I think of Marty St. Louis, Brendan Gallagher, and point and kuch on the Lightning (5’11’’ but all of 175 lbs.) The lineup I have kinda tried to follow that idea of balance. Each has a two way player, offensive talent, and a balance of playmaker and goal scorer.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ldubs572</b></div><div>Lafreniere and Dach AND KANE! You're passing up on that!? Don't get me wrong Stuetzle is exactly what we need. He's super skilled and aggressive on the forecheck. However, you can't pass up on a guy that is getting compared to Crosby.</div></div>
It’s not the craziest thing to consider honestly. Having two elite prospects is hard to turn down. Yes, lafreniere is franchise caliber. The tier below is still elite though, and given the state of the Blackhawks right now, It’s hard to turn down.
This team needs elite, scoring forwards so bad. May sound ironic given the offensive talent of this team, but there is so much that goes through Kane and toews. Getting stutzle and Rossi adds a center/winger that is fast, versatile, and skilled and a center with amazing scoring prowess and skill respectively. Stutzle and Rossi combined potentially makes 1-2 punch at center. I’ll take that any day.
That all being said, if we got the chance at lafreniere, there wouldn’t be a wrong move. Either take him or get a king’s ransom for the pick. Then again, bowman is bowman....