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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 29, 2023 at 6:22 p.m.
Thread: Lets trade with Min again
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>Christ, you really are ignorant aren't you?

Again, Rossi missed an ENTIRE YEAR OF CRUCIAL DEVELOPMENT TIME, it's more correct to put his development around D+2 then D+3.

THAT MATTERS.

Furthermore, if you think being near a PPG in his first season back from that missed season, and at a PPG in his 2nd season down in the AHL is <em>mediocre</em>.... ooooh boy. I'm not sure that word means what you think it means.

He was literally still just ranked as a top 30 prospect in the league by Wheeler of the Athletic and as the 62nd best player/prospect on Pronman's under 23 rankings which includes players who've already graduated to the NHL. That's in spite of the fact Pronman is a known disliker of Rossi.

Finally, no player is a bust at 21. Where they where drafted is and will always be irrelevant. It takes up to a player's age 23 season for them to typically develop and fully mature as a player if they're a forward, 25-26 for defenseman, and 26-27 for goaltending.

It's often been stated by professionals that it typically takes around 164 games in the NHL level to know what and who a player is. Rossi has played barely 20 games to date.

By your metric. Then players like Jack Hughes, Brayden Point, Joel Eriksson-Ek, and Tage Thompson are all *busts*, because they didn't produce right away. The expectation that players do so is and always be asinine. Players that produce right away are always the exception, not the rule.</div></div>

Really well said.

When one person goes against the grain it generally doesn't make them right. They are the outlier in the overall consensus.

I remember a 67's staff member said that they could count on Rossi and someone else for 4 pts a night. He was that dominant in junior even before his draft year.

As a Sens fan, I'm hoping for a Minnesota and Ottawa final with Rossi playing a big part for Minnesota and Sokolov playing a big part for Ottawa.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 29, 2023 at 2:02 p.m.
Thread: Shane Pinto should do what Kevin LaBanc did and sign for only a million
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Snowhawk18</b></div><div>A player is only cap dump if they are moved because the team trading them values the cap space more than the player, to this point Joseph does not fit that criteria.

It’s funny Sens fans get all bent out of shape when I say I wouldn’t take Joseph for less then a 1st round pick or two 2nd round picks, I’m not saying he can’t be useful, I am merely saying he is not a player I look at and say if he is available then Davidson absolutely has to go out and get him. At best Joseph would be a minor upgrade for the bottom two lines which does nothing as far as making the team significantly better. The Hawks are a bottom 5/6 team with or without Joseph.

At this point in the Hawks rebuild it is essential that Chicago maximizes their return on trading their cap space, acquiring young cost controlled impactful assets; those assets for the most part are acquired through the draft, so as I have stated many times in order for Chicago to take on a $3m player for the next three season and pay that player $9.3m in actual $$$ the Senators have to pay a hefty price. Capfriendly itself tweeted a couple weeks back that $5m in cap space is the going rate for a 1st round pick, now since this situation is $3m per season, $9m over the remaining term we can debate whether Joseph’s contract falls into that compensation class but that is why I am saying the Hawks should accept two 2nds as an alternative or potentially one 2nd and a solid prospect. Regardless, the rates have been set with prior trades and I think you will be hard pressed to find too many instances of a team taking on similar camp dumps/players they don’t really need for one 2nd round pick or heaven for bid actually give away assets for them. Given the current salary cap climate I am comfortable saying it is very unlikely to happen.

As a player with 5 partial years in the league Joseph is what he has shown himself to be, a fourth line winger who can bump up to the third in a pinch. <strong>An energy guy who can be used as a PK rotational piece. To expect a player who to this point at 26 years old to jump from the 28 points per 82 game player to 50 - 60 points is very unrealistic, if he had that potential he would still be in Tampa.[</strong>/quote]

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It is important to remember that Joseph was traded for Paul, who is a very good player and he was the main part of that return. The Sens were banking on that potential.

Also considering Joseph's cap dump value is tough because as you said 5m in cap space is a 1st round in value. However, his contract is going to continue when the salary cap explodes meaning that his contract will become a steal in 1 to 2 years time when 3rd and 4th liners are regularly paid that much.

All things considered, if he is dumped, there will probably be compensation, but not as much for a player with a higher AAV and less use.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 29, 2023 at 1:35 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 29, 2023 at 12:58 p.m.
Thread: Shane Pinto should do what Kevin LaBanc did and sign for only a million
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Snowhawk18</b></div><div>You missed the point, Sens fanes keep proposing Joseph to the Hawks which will not happen unless they are prepared to offer significant draft capital in order for Chicago to take his $3m cap hit for the next three seasons.</div></div>

Yet, we do not know that it is not happening because Joseph is viewed as a big part of the Sens team and it is entirely possible if not probable, that the Sens management is trying to figure out a way to keep him.

You are also acting like he is a washed up 30+ year old with no more potential, rather than a 26 who skates like the wind, is an incredibly solid penalty killer and could very well score 40-50+ points in a fully healthy year with opportunity.

If he is a cap dump, then a lot of other players in this league are cap dumps.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 14, 2023 at 2:16 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 12, 2023 at 6:29 p.m.
Thread: Available Defencemen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xspyrit</b></div><div>Jacob Bernard-Docker 100% won't hit waivers unless he completely lost it during the summer. He just got a 1 way 2 years extension and is in the plans as a defensive RHD, which is a need

Lassi Thomson however doesn't seem to be in the plans. As of a ridiculous amount of 13 players will need PP time so even if they trade one (Kubalik makes the most sense), Thomson still wouldn't sniff a PP minute. He's not a bad prospect at all, actually got a pretty nice offensive skillset but might never be more than "ok" defensively. He will need PP to show his value in the NHL.<strong> Ideally, and that's what I would target as the GM, he's traded for a young forward prospect in the same waivers position</strong></div></div>

Perhaps someone like Nils Hoglander who could fill in for the role that Kubalik would play if he is traded. Which I doubt he is because he was the headliner of the DeBrincat trade and it would look semi-bad PR wise to trade a player you just traded for in a huge trade. He seems to have lost his way in the Canucks organization and might benefit from a change of scenery.
Forum: NHL TradesAug. 12, 2023 at 12:10 p.m.
Thread: (CAR/PHI) - Rizzo, 2025 5th (CAR) for Kase
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jr400</b></div><div>You're talking about Ondrej Kase. He is David's brother. Carolina signed Ondrej last year, but he played only one game for them, then was out for the season with a concussion. Too bad because I thought he looked pretty good early in his career in Anaheim. I don't know if this has anything to do with them trading for David. I think Ondrej is planning to play in Czechia this season, where David has been since his entry-level with Philadelphia contract ran out.</div></div>

Ondrej was a very good player. It's unfortunate he's had so many head injuries but at some point you have to prioritize your health over the game you love.

He was an amazing player and played his role very well with every team he played with. He could've been that huge underrated difference maker come playoff time.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 10, 2023 at 8:52 p.m.
Thread: THE WAGON HAS LEFT THE BUILDING
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchJr</b></div><div>Obsessed, hardly. But I must admit I do enjoy the totally ridiculous &amp; unjustifiable bravado of SENs fans. <strong>Can’t think of any other bad team whose fans post how good they are despite the objective results that state otherwise.</strong> You missed the playoffs six straight years yet are posting that you are cup contenders 😅. Keep it coming 😂</div></div>

Uh................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Leafs Fans literally every year.

There a regular season team. Their fans hype them up every year, then every year they fall flat in the playoffs.

The results state that they are not a very good team come the playoffs.

At the very least Ottawa has a team, that if they make it there, will cause problems with their physical and fast style of play.

All the Leafs know is that they're brains turn off in the playoffs.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 10, 2023 at 8:47 p.m.
Thread: Marner Stuzle
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>I've watched him play... he's cheating offensively to score goals... he needs to find another way to play a complete game and score goals to keep his pace and play better to finish top 5/10 in scoring and be a complete player

If I'm trading Matthews... I'm trading for more than 1 guy's potential to be near him TBH</div></div>

Sure, but if your trading Matthews, it's for a guy like Lindblom, who has similar term and ability, not for a center that is signed for 8 more years at a lower AAV who just outscored Matthews and has all the potential in the world.

Just because of the term the Maple Leafs would be adding considerably. You also have to consider that Stutzle is the franchise player for Ottawa, and that he probably never gets traded from Ottawa because so many young kids emulate him now in Ottawa and around the world. Especially with his tape job.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 8, 2023 at 4:32 p.m.
Thread: THE WAGON HAS LEFT THE BUILDING
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jovo87</b></div><div>No need to spend $1.2mill on a fourth liner where Kelly can play in that spot for $760,000. Also, <strong>Forsberg is gonna be put on the LTIR for the season</strong>; Sogaard will be be the 1b goalie until playoff time in order for the sens to stay under the cap. Recently signed McWean will be the 13th forward. Otherwise, its a well rounded team. And if they stay healthy this time, this season will be a good playoff run for sure.</div></div>

He's healthy and it's better to have Sogaard developing and getting and maintaining confidence in the AHL. You can't put an unhealthy player on the LTIR.

Also Pius Suter is a vastly superior player than Parker Kelly and will elevate our PK and our depth.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 8, 2023 at 2:42 p.m.
Thread: Marner Stuzle
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>yeah, Selke voting's a little strange sometimes (Marner getting a Selke nom but Matthews not)... But I'm saying that Matthews has a whole other 100 feet to his game that Stuzle doesn't...

Matthews was on pace for better goal scoring in all but his RS compared to Stuzle this year and was on pace to have more goals but have the same amount of points as Stuzle this season, just played less games, on 1 wrist, was better than Stuzle's D+3 year last year and the year before that as well, on pace with him in terms of points the year before that, has the hardware and is a complete player


Stuzle's great... but Matthews is on a whole other planet</div></div>

I think Matthews is a great player as well, maybe a little worrying with the wrist.

But I think if you don't watch Stutzle you'll be incredibly surprised when he's top 10 or top 5 in league scoring a couple of years from now with a complete game. He's got that kind of skill.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 7, 2023 at 11:29 a.m.
Thread: Marner Stuzle
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Matthews finished 38th in Selke voting in his rookie year... and was about to finish 16th this year... He's also only been a minus player 1 time in his 1rst 3 seasons

Kampf's there to make sure Matthews gets a break... Whereas Stuzle hasn't done anything to prove he's a good player on the defensive side of the puck... Also McDavid and Draisaitl are awful defensively, so not the best example being put next to Matthews</div></div>

38th means that he wasn't even the best defensive forward on his own team. Also, it likely means that he got 1 last-place vote which is not hard to get if the writer bases it more on his other achievements and thinks he has underated defense.

Also Selke voting is strange, because looking at this years vote Danault got less points that Matthew Tkachuk. Somehow. An elite offensive winger got more points that one of the best defensive centers in the game.

Stutzle is also proving himself to be a more prolific scorer, because his D+3 season scoring would have outscored Matthews in all but one of his seasons. Which was when he put up 60 goals. They were also comparable points wise in their D+2 season. As Matthews had 63 points in 62 games. And Stutzle had 58 points in 79 games. A lot more points per game, but it's worth remembering the Sens got screwed by the league twice and had to play with long stretches with an AHL team because their entire NHL team had Covid. So the quality of linemates was way down. Also worth noting it was still a Covid season.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 3, 2023 at 12:50 p.m.
Thread: Marner Stuzle
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Herb_Brooks</b></div><div>Just a Little reminder, that Matthews played 4 less games and had 5 less points while being hurt. and he still scored 40 which Stutzle has never done and Matthews did it as a rookie. Matthews is better defensively. blocks a lot more shots, takes the puck away more and gives it away less. gets selke votes every year pretty much, Stutzle hasnt gotten a even a 5th place vote once. so much better in the dot as well. those are facts partner</div></div>

Stutzle was never touted as a top end goal scorer. More of an elite playmaker which Matthews isn't or doesn't show. I also in my original point stated that Matthews had played 4 less games repeating that point doesn't do anything. It's also worth noting Stutzle is 5 years younger, Stutzle is on his offensive level now, learning the defensive side of the game. Stutzle could very well be the better player than Matthews in the long-term. Also saying Stutzle has never scored 40 is tough, cause he scored 39 this year and proved to be an elite playermaker. 1 goal doesn't mean much.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 3, 2023 at 12:22 p.m.
Thread: Marner Stuzle
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Sick, Stuzle had 3 more points than Matthews, who was playing on 1 wrist BTW, had less goals and was way worse in terms of defence (90 point player being a -3 says a lot)

As for playing PK, McDabid and Draisatl play PK on a top 20 Pk in the league, doesn't mean they're good at defence... Matthews lead the League in blocked shots and is fr superior in face-offs</div></div>

Sure, but the Leafs were also a far more complete defensive team. It's also pretty easy when you have elite defensive forwards like David Kamph. Also for elite offensive players like Stutzle, McDavid, Draisaitl, and Matthews, defense grows over time. You didn't see Matthews having a big defensive impact in his D+3 season. Stutzle will learn that defense and will be just as good at age 25.