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Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Nov. 22, 2023 at 8:43 p.m.
Thread:
C for Bs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LastDaze_</b></div><div>Solid insight!
I would definitely hate to give up Lohrei based on what he’s shown so far. I can definitely see DeBrusk, Beecher & 1st being fair for a non-rental C of Lindholm’s caliber.</div></div>
Don't let the homer people who over value players on their teams like crazy talk to much smack to you. Take it with a grain of salt.
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Nov. 22, 2023 at 8:42 p.m.
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C for Bs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Trades have to work for both sides. You don't get to fill your biggest need and dump w/e assets you don't want anyhow.
Calgary doesn't need yet another pending UFA, or yet another left shot LW like Debrusk. Beecher isn't very good at all and a very late 1st isn't worth much either.
IOW that offer isn't even close. To get something valuable you have to give up something valuable too.</div></div>
Man you really are a homer for the flames? I love how a guy that scores 20 goals multiple seasons (basically 4 of his 6 -yes 1 was 19 but at 64 games) and you consider that nothing and an asset the Bruins or no one else needs/wants.
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Nov. 22, 2023 at 5:15 p.m.
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Simple and Fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Ben Chiarot is the first one that comes to mind. If there's a better comparable I can't think of anyhow. Chiarot fetched a 1st a 2nd and a prospect.</div></div>
Yup one trade which everyone said was a gross overpayment. Also for a player at the time playing 26 minutes a night and doing a lot more for their team - but that is fair, there is indeed one trade of a player who was ranked higher than Zadorov.
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Nov. 22, 2023 at 5:12 p.m.
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Simple and Fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rhea</b></div><div>You are correct my good man.</div></div>
It will be interesting to see what he lands, but this talk about a 1st + for Nakita is laughable. Not impossible as we have seen stupid trades before, but my god he isn't worth a 1st not alone adding to it lol
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Nov. 22, 2023 at 5:06 p.m.
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Simple and Fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Just because you Lafflanders keep repeating the same nonsense doesn't make it true.</div></div>
I think they were looking for the examples of someone like Zadorov getting 1st rounders and more at deadline? If memory serves me well, he was last traded for a 3rd, two seasons ago. I mean your avatar is of him, but that doesn't make him elite.
Also there is only one Big Z and he retired already.
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Nov. 22, 2023 at 4:25 p.m.
Thread:
C for Bs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LastDaze_</b></div><div>I don’t disagree with any of this and I’d hope the B’s trade Gryz towards a C if anything. I do think if you’re the top team in the NHL you can’t just be content and eventually need to go all in and get stronger in an area of weakness... Can’t worry too much about the future if you’re realistically going for the cup.
What do you think about the first offer?</div></div>
Bruins have already given up loads of future assets - Lohrei isn't one you want to move on. He was killing it in college/varsity and has looked to have big upside for the past couple years now. If, and I reiterate IF, he fills out a bit and gets his timing down, he will be a very solid puck moving D man.
Do the Bruins need a center....100%, but I am not sure they are going to overpay and they likely wont be moving high assets for rentals given the lack of assets and prospects they have. As it pertains to the 1st offer, its starting point for sure. That being said a couple flame fans in the forum think Elias is the second coming of jesus with the return they would like to see.
That being said, if we explore Eichel's trade (which Lindholm is no Eichel) or the Horvat trade - its likely an NHL ready player 1st and perhaps something else. So perhaps if Lindholm is signing with the Bruins, Beecher, JDB and a 1st.
Its tough to say really, as I get the impression if the price is to high the Bruins stand pat and go UFA hunting next year knowing they have Pasta, McAvoy, Marchand, Carlo, Coyle, Zacha, Frederic, Ullmark, Geekie and Lohrei all under contract.
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Nov. 22, 2023 at 12:44 p.m.
Thread:
C for Bs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LastDaze_</b></div><div>DeBrusk, Lohrei 1st
My first offer was definitely not enough</div></div>
Bruins decline - not moving a winger that has shown he can put 20 on the board per season and isn't a defensive liability, top bruins D prospect that is handling himself well in the NHL and a 1st for a potential UFA. Lindholm is a great player, but not worth that price tag. Unless you are getting a superstar back like Eichel etc. there no point to moving those players (unless they are asking to be traded and want out). Just wait until next summer when you have 28 million in cap space to sign a centre.
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Nov. 22, 2023 at 10:49 a.m.
Thread:
Oilers improve in net
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bee</b></div><div>I'm confused why Chicago is here</div></div>
Because the thread starter is a troll LOL
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Nov. 21, 2023 at 4:05 p.m.
Thread:
realistic mcdavid trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Oilers_29</b></div><div>I hope this a joke ahaha that package would get you nuge</div></div>
The above trade has to be a joke. However the joke is on the oilers team if that doesn't get you RNH as Sweeney would be fired if he offered that for RNH.
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Nov. 21, 2023 at 12:04 p.m.
Thread:
realistic trade
So the Bruins are just in the trade to hand some players away? Sharks may want more than a 6th to take on Campbells contract
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Nov. 15, 2023 at 12:12 a.m.
Thread:
Center Depth
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ShinyMew76</b></div><div>I don’t follow the Bruins much, I thought they were low on Centers with Bergeron and Krecji leaving. My bad.</div></div>
They are low on, I dare say top end center's, but trading a highly touted prospect for a 30 year old farm player is still a bit silly.
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Nov. 14, 2023 at 3:21 p.m.
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Center Depth
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>The Bruins have a ton of bottom 6 players. They don’t need another especially for a 20 year old talent like Lysell who is playing well in Providence.</div></div>
I know right...... we have like 20 bottom 6 players, why on earth would they move Lysell for another one
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Nov. 14, 2023 at 3:20 p.m.
Thread:
Who says no
Bruins say no
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Nov. 14, 2023 at 3:19 p.m.
Thread:
What happened to don Cherry
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gmonwy</b></div><div>He was fired for saying "you people"</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Woke cancel culture... Everything is racist to them</div></div>
Yeah it was terrible and his buddy Ron perpetuated the woke snowflake culture by throwing him under the bus a well. Sad really.
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Nov. 10, 2023 at 2:32 p.m.
Thread:
BOS gets a center EDM gets a goalie
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RecycleShark</b></div><div>Makes sense for both teams. However, I posted a straight up RNH for Ullmark trade earlier and Oiler fans said hell no. Maybe they are more desperate now. Also Ullmark has a NTC and given how both teams are doing now he might say hell no. Swayman doesn't have a NTC/NMC but he's probably worth more than Ullmark due to age.</div></div>
Yeah its unlikely Ullmark has Edmonton on his 16 team trade list
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Nov. 10, 2023 at 2:29 p.m.
Thread:
Boston - Calgary - edmonton Blockbuster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>That's a disingenuous comparison Eichel had a broken neck that needed surgery.
There are really only two players that could replace Bergeron. Lindholm and Barkov, that's it. No way Florida will be trading Barkov any time soon so if the Bruins want the most Bergeron like player they can hope to find anytime soon it's Lindholm.
Lindholm had 82 points and +61 two years ago when he had Matthew Tkachuk and soft little johnny as his wingers. That's more points and a better plus/minus than Bergeron ever had. Lindholm really should have won the Selke that year instead of placing 2nd behind you guessed it Bergeron. Now just imagine what Lindholm would be capable of playing with Pastrnak and Marchand.</div></div>
You are right Eichel had an injury that was something that could be resolved - he had a herniated disc in his neck, not a broken neck. If the Sabres let Eichel go with the preferred operation he would still be in Buffalo. Either which way, it wasn't a question mark if he would play again but when. That being said, by all accounts Eichel is the better player so Celtics offer wasn't really that odd given the Eichel trade.
You are right that 1 of the 4-7 seasons Johnny hockey and Matty T played with Lindholm he has his best season at 82 pts. Not sure that was purely a product of him but more perhaps his line mates also set career highs as well. As for the Selke, not sure what to tell you on that one outside of Bergeron out scored Lindy by 161, 1st place votes to 21. Perhaps there was more to the +/- that everyone else was watching?
I am not saying Lindholm is a bad player I mean he is often ranked about 70th to 75th in the top 100 players in the NHL (I even think this year he was 71st). There is just no way the Bruins move arguably their 2 best prospects and a vezna goalie for him. Why move 3 assets when you can go shopping for UFA at the end of the season?
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Trade Machine Proposals
Nov. 9, 2023 at 5:08 p.m.
Thread:
Boston - Calgary - edmonton Blockbuster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>I’d offer Lysell, Debrusk, and a first for him. That should be enough. If not, good luck</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Yeah good luck to you replacing Bergeron any time soon. If that's all the Bruins offer they won't get him.</div></div>
How much value do you place on Lindholm? I mean he is a good player, but all the reports have really suggested he wants out more than he wants to stay in Calgary. If we explore the Eichel trade, which netted Buffalo a 1st, Tuch and Krebs for a better player, its not that far off on what was proposed by Celtics. I mean anything can happen and anyone can over pay or under pay for that matter. But the reality of the situation is that in the thread there may be to much value being put on Lindholm.
Also, there is no replacing Bergeron, no matter how you slice and dice it - best the Bruins can do is look at how they solidify their Centre depth in UFA next year without moving a load of capital.
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Nov. 9, 2023 at 4:57 p.m.
Thread:
Go Big or Go Home
Yup Bruins kindly ask the oilers to go home. A norris caliber D man and a 25 year old goalie with a career .922 SV % is more valuable to the Bruins than Leon would be.
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Trade Machine Proposals
Nov. 9, 2023 at 9:36 a.m.
Thread:
Boston - Calgary - edmonton Blockbuster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Boston also winds up with more than 5 million in cap space to address that with.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>Boston doesn’t consider this even for a moment. I love Lindholm, but with cap room next year … it’ll be much easier to make a deal.
I’m fairly positive we could remove Calgary from the deal, include San Jose, and Bosfon could keep both Lohrei/Poitras in exchange for the return from Ullmark and Grzelcyk</div></div>
Bruins will have to decline - they are just scratching the surface right now with Lohrei to see what they have. Not to mention Poitras in the limited games he has played this year looks good. So I find it hard to believe the Bruins move 3 roster players for 1 player and especially 2 of their better prospects in a pool that isn't that deep for a UFA next season and the 1st. Bruins have like 11 or 12 players signed next year and most of them are the core. Then they have 28 million in cap space - go target Lindholm then and give up no assets to get him. Not to mention Lindholm is a great player, but this hurts the Bruins way more than it helps. Bruins protected their 1st this year that they traded away (top 10 protected) so I am pretty sure the Bruins brass was like if we lose Bergy and Krecji, we will eat **** for a year and then go shopping, however they aren't eating as much **** as everyone thought they would.
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Trade Machine Proposals
Nov. 8, 2023 at 1:59 p.m.
Thread:
ULLMARK TO EDMONTON
Oilers although they need a goalie likely wont part ways with hyman and RNH to land one. Not to mention, I was all about trading Ullmark this off season, but given the forward depth the bruins have, the system right now is playing up to the Bruins D and having arguably the best goalie tandem in the NHL right now.
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Nov. 8, 2023 at 10:13 a.m.
Thread:
It works
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>Well, for starters.
1) Minnesota's lone franchise level player in its entire history isn't available.
That package there on Boston's end doesn't gets you Kaprizov alone, let alone make Minnesota ADD. It's not a question of value. Kaprizov is arguably the best left wing in the world, did you actually think he'd be available?
2) The drop off between Kaprizov to DeBrusk puts Minnesota straight into the gutter. And perhaps you haven't heard, but they ain't rebuilding Chief. So moving their single greatest core player, ISN'T a option.
Teams add AROUND their best player, when trying to compete. They don't move them if they're goal is to win.
3) Minnesota’s goalie tandem doesn't blow.
IT'S DEFENSE DOES.
Gustavsson literally had the 2nd best save percentage in the entire league last season behind only Ullmark. He's had a rough start to the year, sure. But the defense in front of him, both at the blue line and fowards positions, have been mind-numbingly atrocious. So while he does need to turn it around, putting the blame on him or Fleury is ill advised.
Brodin hasn't looked himself.
Faber has been a stud, despite being a ROOKIE, but is on a island alone. He's been Minnesota's best defenseman by far this year, but there’s only so much one player can do by themselves.
Middleton is a 3rd pairing caliber defenseman who typically plays in Minnesota's top-4 because of his size and physicality, but his warts are being laid bare because they're usually covered up by Spurgeon. Who's been out all year.
So yeah, Minnesota's best defenseman and team Captain has been out all year. So there's that.
Goligoski is cooked, but he's on LTIR anyway.
Merrill has been horrible, I don't think he could get traded for future considerations at this point either.
Addison is a defensive black hole.
Mermis has been solid. But he's a career Ahl'er.
Hunt might stick, but he's played less than 10 NHL games to date. He's not Faber, so expecting a rookie to do much is another matter.
4) TL;DR version....
This only makes Minnesota much, much worse. Yes, they shore up their deficiencies. But lose the one thing that truly makes them competitive in the process.
It's a hard NO from Minnesota.
Edit: And by the way, Minnesota has at least THREE top 50 defenseman. Brodin, who's typically and arguably the best shutdown defenseman in the league. Spurgeon, who literally was a top 10 Norris finalist last season. And Faber, who has looked like a top 25 defenseman since turning pro last year.</div></div>
Its moot anyway. The Bruins would not pay 3 active roster players, top 4 and D man and on many teams top pairing, top 6 LW and the vezna goalie for Kirill the thrill. Kirill is a solid hockey player no doubt about it and you may be right that some could argue the best LW (due to the fact most top forwards are C and RW), not to mention if you take multi positional players out like Draisaitl and Matt Tkachuk it would put him close to the top for sure.
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Nov. 8, 2023 at 9:49 a.m.
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An Interesting Long Shot
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>The best line in Hockey??? You gotta be kidding me. Malkin, Smith and Rackell aren't even a top 10 line in hockey right now. They're not even the best line on their team.
VAN has arguably 2 better lines, TOR the same. NJ's Hughes line, COL MacKinnon line, TB Point line, BOS top line. Eichel line in VEG and even McTavish line in ANA are all much better.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ldinkel98</b></div><div>"one of" i didnt say the best, there are 128 forward lines in hockey and the malkin line is at least top 15</div></div>
I am a big Malkin fan, but the reality is that that the advanced stats no matter how you slice and dice them has Malkins line hovering around 42nd or worse (looking at goals for % and goal %).
By no means is that bad, but in reality they are in the 33rd percentile and not what I would call a best line. That being said, we need to keep in mind that stats don't always tell the truth of the talent level of players, but lets not kid ourselves on that line as there are a lot better lines in the NHL.
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Nov. 5, 2023 at 10:11 p.m.
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Bruins 12C Calgary rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Flamecity</b></div><div>1st 2nd poitras n lohrei</div></div>
Thats a flaming pile of no good - Lindholm is a good player, but the Bruins would never pay that ludicris price for for a UFA - heck since the Bruins are in a giving mood why not add Pastrnak in your offer too.
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Nov. 5, 2023 at 5:06 p.m.
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Bruins 12C Calgary rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Not enough to win a bidding war for Lindholm.
It'll take (Poitras or Zacha) + Lohrei + a 1st round pick. Lindholm goes to Boston long term of course.</div></div>
Holy crap, any team in the NHL would take that offer for a two way center who wants out of the current team and has never score more than 70 pts twice in 11 seasons. No one in the world would move Poitras or Zacha, plus a 1st and plus Lohrei - that one is a pipe dream.
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Nov. 5, 2023 at 5:03 p.m.
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Big trade
This is a cute one for sure, where the Bruins block all future incoming calls from the 780 and 587 area codes unless they need a good laugh.
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