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Forum:
NHL Trades
Mar. 8 at 8:57 a.m.
Thread:
(COL/BUF) - Byram for Mittelstadt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>Man, this one surprised me. Not what I was expecting at all. I think this trade didn't need to happen. Mittlestadt doesn't seem like the player COL should have been after (Im assuming he's gonna want to get paid on his next contract here) and Buffalo probably didn't need to go get another young dman whose got some risk with injuries.
Listen, both teams got good players but I feel like they both could have waited. This was NOT a TDL type move. This should have been a draft move if anything.</div></div>
The Avs are in cup contention this year and desperately needed a capable 2C and they would prefer that position to be an asset they had multiple years of control over. Anyone else available that we were interested in would have been too high of a cap hit this year, a 1-year rental, or cost too much to acquire; or didn't need a young LD prospect (Anaheim with Henrique possibly felt they had an abundance for example).
Morgan Frost might have been an option comparable to Casey but he is higher risk, not as good defensively, and probably has the same or lower ceiling. And we don't know what Philly was asking for in return; if they wanted Byram straight up then I'd rather have Mittelstadt.
Jack Roslovic had a higher cap hit, no term, and performed worse than Mittelstadt and has not proven to be a top 6 center in the league on a consistent basis. Laughton is in the same boat.
There wasn't much else in the market that came close to being a 2C candidate.
I disagree about Mittelstadt and his fit with the team. We have plenty of speed and defensively responsible wingers that can score and far too few center icemen that can produce secondary scoring opportunities after the MacKinnon line. Casey brings a slightly different game and is a "change-up" type of center.
Bo was a "luxury" for us with Toews signed long term; Girard playing better and signed long-term and Bo not really adapting to the right side he wasn't going to supplant Josh Manson.
Our next 2C option was either 2 years away (Cal Ritchie) at best or someone we would have to acquire in the off-season, wasting great seasons from MacKinnon and Makar; a cheap and effective Drouin; not having Landeskog's cap hit due to LTIR (which complicates next season if he is healthy). We are all in for this season.
They will look to extend Mittelstadt in the $4.5-5.5 range to term. Walker and Drouin are questionable depending upon Landeskog being back or not, but those are our "rentals" along with Trenin and possibly Duhaime.
Forum:
Other Leagues
Mar. 8 at 8:31 a.m.
Thread:
AHL-ECHL Teams/NHL Affiliations
Interesting article on the Carolina Hurricanes AHL situation:
<a href="https://insideahlhockey.com/article/32-ahl-thoughts-where-do-we-go-from-here" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Details On Carolina's Attempt To Purchase AHL Expansion Franchise, AHL 'State of the League' Updates From President/CEO Scott Howson & More</a>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t"><em>Quoting: <b>Elliotte</b></em></div><div><em>The Hurricanes attempted to buy their way in to the AHL over the summer, reportedly offering between $6 and $7 million to purchase an AHL expansion franchise - with the roughly $6.5 million offer unable to sway the league's Board of Governors into thinking about expanding past the 32 teams to give Carolina a 33rd AHL franchise.
One source suggested current valuations of an AHL franchise to be closer to the $16-17 million range, with the expectation that by the time the NHL expansion occurs that a 33rd - and even 34th - AHL expansion franchise could have AHL expansion fees approaching $20 million.
... I'd keep an eye on Baltimore.
... For now, that's a moot point - according to AHL President/CEO Scott Howson. "There is no plan right now to go past 32 teams,"</em></div></div>
Doesn't sound promising for Carolina, but the powers that be want a reunion:
So where do the Chicago Wolves and Carolina Hurricanes stand right now?
<em>"...there's a lot of people working on this - including at the AHL level and at the NHL level - trying to find a solution to this problem, because, quite frankly, it's not sustainable. It's not sustainable for either league. It's not sustainable for the Chicago Wolves and it certainly isn't sustainable for the Carolina Hurricanes." - AHL President/CEO Scott Howson
"Everyone is trying to find a way for [Carolina and Chicago] to be affiliated. Not looking good now. Tomorrow might be different," one trusted AHL source told InsideAHLHockey.com back in February.
</em>
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 7 at 10:32 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yikes</b></div><div>I think Grier has done a fantastic job with the Duclair trade.
1) basically two thirds (equal to Tarasenko) - a good RD prospect for SJ which needs RD; and he’s 21 so he’ll have a lot of time to grow in SJ and the best pick they could get from Tampa realistically.
2) Duke has consistently voiced interest in SJ and while their being no deal on the table (obviously) he said in the last 24hrs he would return to SJS in the offseason is they would have him and if there was no deal out there for him.
3) ..I actually don’t think Duclair will stay in Tampa so it would come down to a new front runner to give Duclair a UFA deal.
4) And Grier has voiced recently not waning long term expensive UFA’s which means: IF DUKE was to resign in SJ
- Duke will return to a deal that’s probably 2-4 years
- At an AAV of probably 4.5-3.75m
So if the stars align for a Duclair in Teal - we could see Thompson, a 3rd for Duclair to return at a 4 years - 4mAAV deal.
Which would make an already great deal by Grier - even more incredible.</div></div>
I know things look bleak in SJ right now; but I really like all the young additions to their blueline pipeline. Really have turned that around in a short time.
LD
Mario Ferraro 25 yo
Henry Thrun 22 yo
Nikita Okhotiuk 23 yo
Shakir Mukhamadullin 22 yo
Luca Cagnoni 19 yo
Nikolai Knyzhov 25 yo
RD
Ty Emberson 23 yo
Calen Addison 23 yo
Jack Thompson 21 yo
Mattias Hävelid 20 yo
I think they will have a very solid pro blueline in 2-3 years after they go thru the growing pains/development/competition for those spots
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 7 at 6:54 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MGK</b></div><div>Any takers on Ryjo 2m? lol</div></div>
I've always wondered if Boston would take him. He seems to be a guy that fits their playstyle.
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 7 at 6:43 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kurvaux</b></div><div>I'm fine with losing Blake, but Morrow we absolutely cannot lose. We probably won't be resigning Pesce and we're going to need an RD for the future. There's no one else in the pipeline and we're going to have to overpay HARD for someone in trade or FA if we trade Morrow.</div></div>
They should re-sign Pesce over Skjei IMO
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 7 at 6:42 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Morrow is elite and would instantly be your guys best prospect</div></div>
Morrow is widely considered a good prospect, but he would be behind Yager and Pickering (who are the only decent prospects in the Penguins system).
Canes are deep at D so trading from position of strength. Probably means Pesce gets extended and Skjei probably won't if the money doesn't work and Nikishin coming.
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 7 at 4:17 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
Avs are basically going with 2 elite scoring lines and 2 very good forechecking/hitting lines and a highly active defense core.
This will really help them in road matchups, where we struggled to get any production beyond the top line and have an average record.
Drouin-MacKinnon-Rantanen (or Nichushkin)
Lehkonen-Mittelstadt-Nichushkin (or Rantanen)
Wood-Colton-O'Connor (or Trenin)
Cogliano (or Kiviranta)-Trenin (or LOC)-Duhaime
Toews-Makar
Girard-Manson
Johnson (or Jones)-Walker
Forum:
NHL Trades
Mar. 7 at 3:54 p.m.
Thread:
(COL/NSH) - Hanzel, 2025 3rd (COL) for Trenin, Sward
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyManiac95</b></div><div>He'll be used as a center in Colorado for sure</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>But hes not a center hes a left wing he's only taken 28 faceoffs this year
Wagner has done fine as the 4c with a 58% FOW%</div></div>
If not him, then putting him on the 3rd line wing allows for LOC to play 4C. Just more flexibility overall.
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 7 at 3:50 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Well actually, it cost the Avs newly signed Hanzel. They did get Graham Sward back as well, but I really like Hanzel. So basically, Nashville gets Hanzel and a 3rd and Colorado gets Trenin and Sward.
Again, I really like Trenin in Colorado, but Nashville wins. Also, what is Nashville doing? Buying or selling?</div></div>
We liked Hanzal too; but we needed depth for this year's playoff run. I did not expect us to go in on Trenin so this is a pleasant surprise; he might be the 4C we need or allow O'Connor to move into that role. Avs fans/insiders are suspecting that there must have been an injury or two that is more serious than initially thought otherwise the pressbox will be full of good forwards that are HS
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 7 at 2:14 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KSIxSKULLS</b></div><div>Stecher and a 7th to EDM from ARIZ for a 4th</div></div>
Stecher has almost completed the Pacific Division bingo card. Just needs Seattle, Anaheim, and San Jose
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 7 at 1:50 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MGK</b></div><div>Are they gonna go for Allen 75% retention? Or Dreidger?</div></div>
I hope its Kahkonen over Allen. Chrona is getting the start tonight over Kahkonen (probably benched for trade-purposes). There are other guys I like more: Lindgren, even Driedger with some retention over Allen would be preferred.
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 7 at 1:47 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Stetcher to the Oilers, I really like this for Edmonton fit wise. Im a big Stetcher fan, should fit in nicely</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MGK</b></div><div>Troy 'get the stretcher' Stetcher doesn't really give them an improvement in their top 4 d</div></div>
Really thought they would try to bring Tyson Barrie back with retention.
Forum:
NHL Trades
Mar. 7 at 10:06 a.m.
Thread:
(COL/BUF) - Byram for Mittelstadt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>I think you are over estimating what you will get out of Mittelstadt with out giving him some decent wingers. Right now he's got no real help.</div></div>
Here is an awesome write-up that describes why Mittelstadt will thrive in Colorado:
https://jhanhky.substack.com/p/will-mittlestadt-thrive-in-colorado
Forum:
NHL Trades
Mar. 7 at 9:11 a.m.
Thread:
(COL/BUF) - Byram for Mittelstadt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>anyone who has ever played hockey at any organizational level can tell you playing your side matters. Everything I have stated above is true.
Most people who play their off hands don't even play a legit defensive position. They play center field.
They do this to make their passes shorter both receiving and sending, as it's hard to backhand pass all over the ice, especially across the whole blueline when defenders want to jump the pass.
Mark Streit is a perfect example of that. A lefty that played RD. But it was never really RD it was center field.
Center field sucks for the offense big time, as it cuts your ice in half.
So I don't really care what some TV host says. I can tell you from playing at an organizational level of hockey, it matters.
It's much harder to backhand things across the ice, or get a pass on the back of your stick. It also sucks playing with a straight as possible blade to decrease the bow on the outside of the stick.
Which is why almost every player you see today has a curve in their blade on any level of hockey.
You either have to switch your stick and grip, which means you're playing on your weak grip, or play with a stick facing the wall.
While people do that in organizations where they don't have the bodies to find people, in more complex levels of hockey they don't have that issue.</div></div>
Exactly this.
Talented players can get away with this at lower levels of hockey, but once they get to the NHL where every fraction of a second matters and every player is smart and fast; the additional movements to stop and turn and the limited peripheral vision makes a huge impact. It matters much more in the offensive zone than in the D-zone; but clearing pucks around the boards in the D-zone is much quicker on your forehand when you're getting forechecked.
In the NHL every single half-second is intensely fought for, every fractional advantage is taken and exploited (and vice-versa on disadvantages).
Forwards = no real impact, just depends on their role; sometimes off hand on the wing is big advantage for playmakers (Kucherov/Panarin) or one-timers (Ovechkin). Teams do prefer to have a mix of L/R faceoff guys.
Offensive Defenseman = major impact, but switching sides on the powerplay has the advantages that wingers get above. At 5-on-5 there isn't enough time/space to overcome the issues Lucky describes.
Defensive Defenseman = moderate impact
Forum:
NHL Trades
Mar. 7 at 1:34 a.m.
Thread:
(COL/BUF) - Byram for Mittelstadt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>is Lehkonen going to be back? And Drouin isn't exactly help. Rantanen is on Mac's wing Nichushkin is listed non roster so not sure about that?
All I know is throwing him out there with guys like Drouin isn't gong to get you the expected results you think above RyJo. He's not Mac, he can't carry a line on his own.</div></div>
You clearly have not been paying attention to the Avs. No worries, I have for decades and Mittelstadt is a perfect fit for our style of play and will be surrounded by not only great wingers, great defensemen, but also a great system
Forum:
NHL Trades
Mar. 6 at 7:42 p.m.
Thread:
(COL/BUF) - Byram for Mittelstadt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>I don't know, if they don't give Mittelstadt better wingers I don't see much of an impact here, at least this year.
Maybe next year is something else?
This looks less like a TDL move and more like a Draft day trade with both teams working on the future. As I don't really see much of an impact in COL cup chances here.</div></div>
It's likely Mittelstadt will play with either Drouin/Lehkonen on LW and either Rantanen/Nichushkin at RW
Forum:
NHL Trades
Mar. 6 at 7:41 p.m.
Thread:
(COL/BUF) - Byram for Mittelstadt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>I don't know, if they don't give Mittelstadt better wingers I don't see much of an impact here, at least this year.
Maybe next year is something else?
This looks less like a TDL move and more like a Draft day trade with both teams working on the future. As I don't really see much of an impact in COL cup chances here.</div></div>
It's a huge upgrade at 2C for Avs. Mittelstadt > Ryan Johansen. It's a fairly even move Byram = Walker; I would argue Walker is more reliable defensively.
So cup chances improved, cap space for additional moves this year is improved
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 6 at 6:34 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>VGK has entered the Hanifin convo
If they get him they have the scariest Dcore</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>McNabb-Theodore
Hanifin-Pietrangelo
Hague-Whitecloud</div></div>
That's funny cuz Hanifin always reminded me of the "lefty Pietrangelo"
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 6 at 6:33 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pompadour_de_Armstrong</b></div><div>I get the arguments for. I understand it. I just say for my money, give me the best four defensemen I can ice and I'll worry about handedness later. If I had "too many" good LD or RD defensemen, I would not care. I just want the best collection of defensemen. I'm not worried about trading someone away just to have to go pick up someone with the correct handedness.</div></div>
Yeah I get that too, but I do think with many players you are only getting 80-90% of their best self on their off hand. It's just physics.
Many teams like to have offhand powerplay guys so they get direct shots on goal; if you only have lefty or righty you miss out on that too. Kind of the viewpoint of having wingers on their offhands is a benefit too.
I only think Lefty/Righty matters on offensive defenseman or powerplay quarterbacks. I don't think it matters with defensive-defenseman or penalty killers.
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 6 at 6:14 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pompadour_de_Armstrong</b></div><div>My old person hot-take will continue to be that the issue is a relatively new fascination and is overrated. Mostly a comfort level from guys who never played off hand side. It does make a difference on how you will approach a play (and especially on the PP), but no-one capable of playing top-four minutes should be unable to shift to the other side. It just takes some adjustment to get comfortable and retrain the brain a bit. Wouldn't be too keen on asking a young guy still getting confidence at this level to make changes to his game at the same time or ask a fringe defenseman to change his game around, but most guys should be able to get comfortable with a bit of time.
Doesn't mean guys won't have preferences, or that some guys won't play better on one side or the other, or that you shouldn't try to line up with those preferences in mind. Just think it's a relatively new coaching obsession to grab a dedicated number of L/R defensemen as opposed to grabbing the best four defensemen you can ice and try to find the right mix and partners for them regardless of handedness.</div></div>
I think the speed of the game has required much quicker reactions and therefore the extra half-second of pivoting to get an off-hand player to prime passing/shooting position it does matter. Playing a puck with pressure, I do think it matters. Would love to see some analysis on it.
Forum:
NHL Trades
Mar. 6 at 5:53 p.m.
Thread:
(COL/BUF) - Byram for Mittelstadt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DragonKnight</b></div><div>I think the trade is fair. Both Byrum and Mittelstadt fill needs for their new teams and have histories of injuries.
Mittelstadt, previously the 3C with the Sabres, had been leading the team in goals scored. The Sabres are deep in scoring centers. Mittelstadt is the player who had to move. The Avalanche have an opportunity to see Mittelstadt develop as a 2C.
Byrum, possibly in need of a change in scenery, should address the Sabres' need for a defensive, puck clearing top two pairing right defenseman. The Sabres' inability to clear the puck out of the defense zone has led to many goals against and losses. The 5-2 loss against the Winnipeg Jets on Sunday, 3 March, is a recent example of the Sabres' ineffective defense. Byrum will be expected to improve the Sabres' defense.</div></div>
Except Byram is a lefty and didn't do well playing on the right side in Colorado
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 6 at 5:25 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yikes</b></div><div>Also OTT’s best move would be to find a hockey deal for Chychrun or Chabot (whoever they chose to keep, but JC must have an extension for Ottawa “in place”) and find a top pairing RD.
I think Buffalos 3LD was already great that’s why I would have as well, looked for a RD (COUGH COUGH SEAMUS CASEY IS RIGHT THERE!!!)(obviously would have been a different trade to navigate).</div></div>
Meanwhile LAK sit there with so many RHD that they can send Walker to Philly, Durzi to AZ, and STILL have a logjam for playing time on the right side.
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 6 at 5:23 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yikes</b></div><div>It’s physically pains me to move a LShot D into the RD slots.
There’s a reason why even if hockey were to “lose positions” the game naturally would still stick inline with hand types and your core D will always be 3L and 3R.
<img class="for_img" src="https://media.tenor.com/uIXA-brBP9UAAAAM/thanos-perfectlybalanced.gif" alt="thanos-perfectlybalanced.gif"></div></div>
Yeah very few can do it so it should be the exception rather than the norm. It also great affects the powerplay design as you funnel pucks from the point and which hand your bumper needs to be.
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 6 at 5:09 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yikes</b></div><div>You can’t trade Power or Dahlin
Which leaves Samuelsson - who isn’t really a player you’re excited to trade.
You can get a fine deal on a great car that needs a little care (let’s say a Mercedes (Byram)),
but if you’ve got 3 mint condition cars (a Lambo, a Porsche, and Ferrari)… it can still be a “good deal” on paper that results in a unused and forgotten car, making it a unnecessary deal and potentially a unwise investment.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pompadour_de_Armstrong</b></div><div>I don't think they were targeting Byram or a D, but I think they were ready to move on from Mittelstad and that was the best offer. Byram has untapped potential, and I think they "won" regardless of the depth chart. But health and consistency are still big question marks. They can always balance the roster with another trade later if they need to.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Idk TBL did well with 3 strong LD remember Sergechev used to be behind Hedman and McDonagh
Byram can be eased back on the third pair and u can even out the ice more
Dahlin-Samuelsson
Power-Jokiharju
Byram-Clifton
EJ</div></div>
The Avs had been playing Bo a lot at RHD to start the season and there were some growing pains; it did settle down but it wasn't the best Bo we had. He stated that it took him awhile to get comfortable there but we ended up moving him back to 3rd pair LD for the rest of the season to date. He also has to find a "perfect partner" that will mesh with his playing style otherwise it doesn't work. Eric Johnson was the most successful partner he had and now they are both in Buffalo so hopefully that will help out.
What is in the water by Lake Superior that teams think lefty/righty on defense doesn't matter. 3 of the only teams in the league that have no balance are Buffalo, Toronto, and Ottawa?
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NHL Trades
Mar. 6 at 5:00 p.m.
Thread:
(COL/BUF) - Byram for Mittelstadt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>seanrushton</b></div><div>Are they even going to be able to resign mitts? Their cap situation looks awful next year</div></div>
They wouldn't have acquired Mittelstadt without that in mind. Either a bridge deal 3 x $4 mil or 6x$5.5 type deal is likely.
If Landeskog comes back then we have about a $3 million issue depending upon the extension for Walker/Mittelstadt and not re-signing Drouin. If Landy doesn't then we can possibly bring Drouin back at $3-4 and there is not cap problem.
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