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Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 8, 2020 at 2:45 p.m.
Thread: Waiving Folin Martinez in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>We'll have to agree to disagree.

Even if Martinez were the caliber you suggest, he is now on the wrong side of 30 and is no longer the player he once was. He still does admirably well at shot blocking and killing penalties, but he has taken a step backward in the mobility department and isn't capable of being the puck-mover of a defensive pair. IMO, a contending team looking to solidify their #4 or #5 slot could definitely use his services, but he's not going to be THE piece that pushes a team over the edge to winning a Cup.

I would be ecstatic if the Kings got 3rd and Ylonen in exchange for Martinez.</div></div>

Yet another thing we agree to disagree on! If I’m being honest, I do respect your opinion though regardless if I agree or not and I hope the feeling is mutual. Have a good day.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 7, 2020 at 4:50 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 7, 2020 at 3:39 p.m.
Thread: Waiving Folin Martinez in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>You are agreeing with me.

I agree Martinez would have been fine on the 2nd line with Voynov, where he would be serving as the Kings #4 defenseman behind Doughty, Muzzin, and Voynov. Would that be the best top 4 in the NHL? No. Like I said, Martinez is an average #4 guy. If they were able to upgrade at the 2LD slot, they could shift him down to 3LD and then possibly have the best defensive corps in the NHL again. Like I said, Martinez would be an exceptional #5 guy. When he played in this role, the Kings had arguably the best defense in the league and it won them two cups.

However, since they did lose Mitchell and Voynov, Martinez shifted up to the #3 spot on the team and the Kings stopped being a contender.</div></div>

You can’t blame Martinez for being the reason the Kings stopped being a contender because he couldn’t replace Voynov. That’s a serious lack of knowledge if that is what you are suggesting.

Yes that top 4 would be among the best in the NHL AT THE TIME
Muzzin Doughty
Martinez Voynov
And many would agree.
Martinez is a very good #4 guy I don’t get how you could disagree. Playing him on a 3rd pair would be a waste of his talents. But obviously if that were the case on a very stacked blue line like the 2014 LA Kings he would be among the best defensemen played on the 3rd pair.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 7, 2020 at 3:15 p.m.
Thread: Waiving Folin Martinez in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>What I actually said was that Martinez is a decent 4/5 defenseman. He's an average #4 or an exceptional #5 on a contender. To expect him to jump in on your team and be a quality top four guy is asking too much. If he's playing more than about 20 minutes, you have defensive problems.

When the Kings were a quality team, Martinez was a 3rd pairing defenseman (paired with Greene in both cup runs in 2012 and 2014). With the departure of Mitchell and Voynov, the Kings had to use him in a role exceeding his talents, and they have suffered for it.

I like Martinez. I think he's a solid defensive defenseman with leadership qualities and all of the intangibles that you describe. However, I don't think 1 year of his services are worth an A prospect.</div></div>

The only reason Martinez was on the 3rd pair was because the Kings already had Scuderi/Regehr, Doughty, Voynov, and Mitchell. The role did not “exceed his talents” Kings lost their 2nd best defenseman Voynov and that screwed the whole team, had nothing to do with Martinez not having enough talent. If it was just Mitchell we lost on that blue line they still would have been contenders with Martinez - Voynov as there 2nd pair. You are a season ticket holder, you should be able to put that together.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 7, 2020 at 2:41 p.m.
Thread: Waiving Folin Martinez in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>You're not going to get Martinez for a 4th round pick. You're not going to get a 2nd and an A prospect for Martinez either.

Martinez is a quality 2nd pairing defenseman that can play on both sides and has substantial playoff experience with multiple Cups (not to mention two clutch OT series clenching goals). This last injury was a freak accident where his wrist got cut with a skate blade and required surgery. It's not like he's Marian Gaborik and just can't manage to stay healthy.

He's not Jake Muzzin, so he's not going to warrant a 1st round pick and two B prospects. However, he's better than Scandella and has an extra year on his contract at a team-friendly cap hit, so he's worth a lot more than a 4th. I think a 2nd and a 3rd (or prospect equivalents) is just about right for Martinez. If a team wants LA to retain half of Martinez's contract (Montreal shouldn't need them to), then the 3rd jumps up to an additional 2nd.

A 2nd and Ikonen or a 3rd and Ylonen would work.</div></div>

You undervalue Martinez, you always have. You once told me he’s nothing, but a solid 3rd pair defenseman. A return for him could be very sweet and bitter I suppose(at least for us Kings fans who appreciate him) it’s not like Toffoli or Kreider where you know what they can do, but not sure if you’re going to get it from them. With Martinez, everyone knows what he can bring and he will BRING IT. He’s all heart and will do ANYTHING for his team and you can’t put a price on that especially in the playoffs. Teams in a contending spot will overpay for him and that’s if you consider a 2nd and an A prospect an overpay which I do not.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 23, 2019 at 1:45 p.m.
Thread: Why not Blakeypoo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>The Rangers' prospect pipeline is one of the few in the NHL that is better than the Kings'. Rempal and Brickley would be non-starters for the Rags. They're both overaged and undrafted prospects that will probably spend their entire professional careers in the AHL. No one will give up anything of value for them.

If the Kings really did want Andersson, I could see the Rangers possibly looking at Luff, Wagner, or Amadio as the target for a trade. I don't think the Kings would be interested in Andersson though, as the biggest knock on him has been his skating, and Blake has said that they're not looking at players whose skating isn't up to par. Additionally, a young player that demands a trade and walks away from his team isn't going to be on the top of anyone's "desirable" list.

Too many red flags.</div></div>

Blake drafted Vilardi who's biggest issue which dropped him down to 11th overall was his skating. So im not too sure how committed Blake is to that skating statement. I could see the Kings parting with Luff and Amadio to take a chance on Andersson.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 21, 2019 at 3:48 p.m.
Thread: Stanley Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capitalfail67</b></div><div>Do you think Brett Connolly sucks bc you watched him play in Boston and Tampa. How about Justin Shultz bc of how he played for the oilers? I can list a ton more example but it’s pointless. Dowd scored 22 points in 64 games playing 10 minutes a game.

Thompson career high is what 25 points in 2011? Yeah dowd is a much better player right now. You actually lack hockey knowledge. I’d play Boyd over Thompson he would be a solid #13 forward but if we were going to have an overpaid 4th line guy we would have just kept Stephenson who’s also better than Thompson haha</div></div>

Hmm. Maybe Phaneuf will sign with a team and win a Norris? Or maybe Bogosian will become a 40-50 point dman and solid defensively. Thompson isn't a point guy dum dum. He's a 4th line center. I don't know what 4th line player in the NHL is evaluated on point production lol. He's a magical penalty killer probably one of the best in the league as far as 4th liners. Having centers like Eller and Thompson to play the PK would give guys like Backstrom and Kuzi the ability to focus on 5 on 5 and power play without the team worrying about the PK which is why I traded for him on here.
Caps players get enough points as it is so switching Dowd for Thompson only makes them better defensively. Because Thompson IS BETTER defensively.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 21, 2019 at 3:41 p.m.
Thread: General Manager Rob Blake
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Joekings09</b></div><div>“Reload” yeah ok. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of your post that you were attacking Blake for one thing but also suggesting the same thing. Your argument fell in on itself there. It’s a good thing we don’t have you as GM or else it would be more of the same but by all means go for it</div></div>

"Reload" was straight out of Robitaille's mouth. Rebuild never came out of his or Blake's mouth so not sure what you don't understand there. You are an idiot. See the forest through the trees? If that's the case, the trees I'm seeing is our core having another solid 2-3 years and we have the power to take advantage of those years. We have Bjornfot, JAD, Turcotte, and Vilardi who will all be solid and NHL ready next season. Maybe Clague too. With a couple good trades and FA pickups, we could be contending in 2 years. We DO NOT need a REBUILD. Not when we have guys like Turcotte, Vilardi, Bjornfot, Clague, and Petersen ALREADY. I don't understand the trouble you are having seeing that. Really don't.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 20, 2019 at 5:21 p.m.
Thread: Stanley Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eli</b></div><div>That or Dowd improved a lot, with age and practice? I remember thinking Thompson was better, with the Kings, but Dowd has been solid in Washington, and grown into a similar role to what Thompson plays. Nothing wrong with depth, but yeah, ice time this year could be shared depending who's playing better each week.</div></div>

Or Thompson is a better and being a contending team you want you team as good as it can be in every area?
Dowd is not all that good. I’ve watched even after he left the Kings. I guess it comes down to a matter of opinion. In this scenario I believe Thompson will contribute much more than Dowd in the regular season and the playoffs. He’s way more experienced in those areas as well.