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NHL
Sat. at 5:34 p.m.
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Should the NHL have loser points during the regular season ?
Get the 3-2-1-0 point system, problem solved
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General Fantasy Talk
Mon. at 7:08 a.m.
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2023-24 CapFriendly ESPN Fantasy League
Let’s pour one out for Saskleaf, most points for in the league, yet not in the playoffs
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NHL
Sat. at 5:26 p.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>But wouldn't Carolina end up facing the winner of NYR vs Philly in this case?</div></div>
No... The Rangers would be playing TBL and CAR would be playing PHI in the first round
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General Fantasy Talk
Mar. 11 at 11:09 a.m.
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2023-24 CapFriendly ESPN Fantasy League
We are likely going to have 2 teams that are over .500 not make the playoffs, crazy (also why does my team pick now to put up 125 points, it's too late, it accomplishes nothing)
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NHL
Mar. 21 at 7:49 a.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>They do its called suspensions or a game misconduct</div></div>
Though, having an ex enforcer like Parros as the head of the department of safety isn’t a great idea
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NHL
Mar. 20 at 11:35 a.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyScotty</b></div><div>I am 100% behind this idea too for the draft pick.
The negatives I heard in the NHL media was that it would diminish the trade deadline; but I think the opposite is true. The teams at the bottom would become very active buyers too in order to improve their team and try and win games.
What this would do I think is reduce the chances of good players taking "bargain deals" to play for a bottom tier team hoping to get dealt at the deadline. Vets might sit out the summer free agency and then pick and choose which team to sign with after a few months of the regular season to ensure they picked a contender. This would only be a handful of players every year (ala Zach Parise) so don't think it's a big concern.
But teams like Chicago, San Jose, etc could then go after high salary guys that are "cap dumps" from contenders more often to increase their chances of winning games. It would almost be like players getting "loaned" to them. For example, Washington could have loaned Kuznetsov to San Jose at full cap hit instead of retaining and then used that cap space bring in someone like Tomas Hertl to help their own playoff chances.
Fans of tanking teamswould have renewed enthusiasm for the back half of the season and I think we would see less "strip it to the studs" rebuilds and more remodels/retool types of roster construction by GMs.</div></div>
I'm in favor of anti-tanking measures but having the bottom teams fight for points further disadvantages the worst teams.
My idea is weighting lottery odds by quarter. The final quarter would have the least impact on draft position.
Prevents bubble teams or teams that are heavy sellers, from bombing down to the bottom of the pack after the trade deadline.
Teams that were bad since the first game of the season would have higher odds earned through the earlier part of the season.
Another idea is to link lottery odds with cap usage. If you didn't spend to the cap because you never intended to compete this season, your lottery odds would be lowered.
That may result in some extravagant payments on 1 year terms to avoid those lottery penalties, but it also limits how much a team is willing to sell off at the deadline without taking cap back.
Calgary was a cap team and tried to make the playoffs all season. They moved out a few players and significant salary. They already gained draft capital and prospects from those moves.
They don't need the added benefit of better lottery odds if they bottom out after the fact.
Some minor adjustments to lottery odds can be used as anti-tanking measures without completely basing draft position on post-deadline performance.
The idea has never been to reward incompetence, but to buoy teams who need the talent most.
The most evident methods of tanking are not spending competitively and unloading players so you are less able to ice a competitive team.
Those are the things that should negatively impact your lottery odds.
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NHL
Mar. 20 at 5:27 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
Chris Simon is another example of why we need to stop complaining about the lack of physicality today compared to the 90s or something
I get big hits can make for exciting television but I feel that we’ve forgotten that the health and wellbeing of the athletes always come before our entertainment
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NHL
Mar. 20 at 4:13 p.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hurricanes_WPG</b></div><div>This also spreads out the excitement of the draft lottery (30 minutes even when it's dragged out as reality TV) across the entire stretch run at the end of March/early April.
Teams at the top of the standings take a much earned rest, or play for seeding, but fans of bad teams are scoreboard watching, invested in other games, just as they would if they were fighting for a playoff spot.
Anyways, take the worst team to complete a season (sorry 2019-20 Wings) in the post-lockout NHL: The 2016-17 Avalanche
Even in a very strange year, standings-wise, where the West had a large gap between the 8 playoff teams and the 6(!) non-playoff teams, so all Western teams were being eliminated unusually early, that Colorado team still picks 4th, exactly where they picked under the lottery system, even though they had a dreadful 0.219 points percentage after their elimination, <strong>the truly awful teams get eliminated early enough to accumulate enough points to pick high in the draft anyways, and there is never an incentive for the GM to tank.</strong>
Winnipeg's 6 game winning streak to end the season after they had been eliminated, instead of actively hurting them by lowering their draft pick from 8 to 13 (after lotteries and Vegas), would have given them the first overall pick. Conversely, Vancouver's 1-8-0 performance after elimination should not have helped them move up the draft board.
2017 Draft Order, Gold System, not including Vegas or lotteries in comparisons
Winnipeg, up from 11th (12 points in 6 games)
Arizona, steady at 2nd (9 points in 10 games)
Los Angeles, up from 9th (9 points in 7 games)
Colorado, down from 1st (7 points in 16(!) games)
Dallas, up from 7th (6 points in 7 games)
Detroit, steady at 6th (5 points in 6 games)
New Jersey, down from 4th (4 points in 8 games)
Florida, steady at 8th (4 points in 5 games)
Philadelphia, up from 12th (4 points in 3 games)
Carolina, steady at 10th (3 points in 4 games)
Vancouver, down from 2nd (2 points in 9 games)
Buffalo, down from 5th (2 points in 5 games)
Tampa Bay, steady at 13th (2 points in 1 game)
Islanders, steady at 14th (2 points in 1 game)</div></div>
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Very well said, I get people's hesitancy about the PWHL draft system because it's such a large departure from the system we've all grown accustomed to, but it's clearly the superior way of doing things.
The PWHL rules ruleset is so so good
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NHL
Mar. 20 at 2:50 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ricochetii</b></div><div><strong>I'm in favor of anti-tanking measures but having the bottom teams fight for points further disadvantages the worst teams.</strong>
My idea is weighting lottery odds by quarter. The final quarter would have the least impact on draft position.
Prevents bubble teams or teams that are heavy sellers, from bombing down to the bottom of the pack after the trade deadline.
Teams that were bad since the first game of the season would have higher odds earned through the earlier part of the season.
Another idea is to link lottery odds with cap usage. If you didn't spend to the cap because you never intended to compete this season, your lottery odds would be lowered.
That may result in some extravagant payments on 1 year terms to avoid those lottery penalties, but it also limits how much a team is willing to sell off at the deadline without taking cap back.
Calgary was a cap team and tried to make the playoffs all season. They moved out a few players and significant salary. They already gained draft capital and prospects from those moves.
They don't need the added benefit of better lottery odds if they bottom out after the fact.
Some minor adjustments to lottery odds can be used as anti-tanking measures without completely basing draft position on post-deadline performance.
The idea has never been to reward incompetence, but to buoy teams who need the talent most.
The most evident methods of tanking are not spending competitively and unloading players so you are less able to ice a competitive team.
Those are the things that should negatively impact your lottery odds.</div></div>
Its really not though. The worst teams in the league are the ones that get eliminated from playoff contention first. Those first few teams have a tremendous headstart on other teams. I detest the idea of having to watch ~20 games of a team that has literally zero reason to be playing
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NHL Trades
Mar. 12 at 4:07 p.m.
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(MTL/NJD) - Légaré for Durandeau
The league is investigating the NJ Devils for circumventing the trade deadline. Likely will lose a first round pick in one of the next three years.
No penalties against the Montreal Canadiens.
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NHL Trades
Mar. 11 at 2:06 p.m.
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(MTL/NJD) - Légaré for Durandeau
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>It should be called the playoff eligibility deadline then.</div></div>
I don't necessarily disagree, but you're going to be very disappointed with free agents, turns out they actually cost money.
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NHL
Mar. 12 at 11:10 a.m.
Thread:
The NHL needs to change these things
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>1) Change the draft lottery to favor compensating the teams who just miss the playoffs more than the teams who tank, or at least compensate them all equally</div></div>
I think competitive balance interests should keep the same order (worst to best)...but lottery chances should be ordered by two-year point percentage (teams will less likely tank for two seasons). So lotteries will more likely be won by teams that deserve it.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>2) Lower the maximum compensation for offer sheets to 3 1st round picks so we get more superstar offer sheets (lower everything by about 25% across the board)</div></div>
I think pick compensation is fine as is...but teams should be allowed to negotiate an alternative (once player signs offer-sheet, the original team has a week to match or send pick...or request an alternative compensation).
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>3) Implement a 1 series waiting period for players on LTIR to rejoin their teams in the playoffs</div></div>
Or just make cap applicable in playoffs. Based on daily number...cannot be more than 110% of cap on any day in playoffs.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>4) Find a way to factor the local effective tax rate into the Salary Cap. Currently the system is extremely biased</div></div>
Giving higher cap to high-tax areas would be a disaster. And league would never do that.
(And low taxes should also be rewarded)
If there is any adjustment, it could be on bonus/salary ratio to allow players to mitigate taxes better.
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NHL
Mar. 11 at 10:43 a.m.
Thread:
The NHL needs to change these things
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchJr</b></div><div>Get rid of hard cap; punitive and actively hurting the league’s chances of growth. I suggest allowing teams to spend over cap (say 10% max) but it has to be tied to revenue. So the more popular teams have an advantage because Leafs, Habs, Rangers, Avs, Oilers & Bruins (etc) generate 👀 which improve overall ratings which grows the game. Smaller markets also have a chance to be competitive because there is still a cap (albeit more flexible than current hard cap) & revenue sharing</div></div>
Me personally, I wouldn’t want that. All it does is benefit big market teams and would have smaller markets in perpetual rebuilds. Small markets draft players, they leave to big market, big market wins cup. Basically makes 2 classes of teams. It’s a good revenue boost because obviously the draw of teams like T.O and Mtl will be higher than teams like Ottawa but I don’t know it just feels to me like whichever teams have the biggest pockets will always win, and teams can essentially “buy” cups. Maybe I don’t have the greatest understanding of it but surface level that’s what it seems like to me.
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NHL
Mar. 11 at 10:19 a.m.
Thread:
The NHL needs to change these things
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheeDjeeEem</b></div><div>It's not about odds.... it's about transparency in lottery "winning" process</div></div>
I'm interested to see how the PWHL format works. Maybe it could be a better format in the future for the NHL. It gives teams a reason to keep playing to win. Mind you, I don't think the players care about securing a top pick in the draft, but it would certainly encourage GM's to not strip their teams bare in order to improve their lottery odds.
I do think the process is now much better in the NHL than it was before. I like that we can't have a situation like we did before when Edmonton was winning every lottery.
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NHL
Mar. 11 at 9:01 a.m.
Thread:
The NHL needs to change these things
Get rid of national anthems before games.
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NHL
Mar. 10 at 6:54 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
Minny pulls the goalie in OT and wins…
Learned a new rule today: If you pull the goalie in OT and concede a goal, you forfeit the loser point
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NHL Trades
Mar. 8 at 4:03 p.m.
Thread:
(CGY/SJS) - 2024 5th (CHI) for Okhotiuk
This isn't the Tomas Hertl trade
Forum:
NHL
Mar. 8 at 3:51 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MGK</b></div><div>Wow what an uneventful TDL.
Unless I missed a big trade</div></div>
I wouldn't call Hertl moving "uneventful"
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NHL
Mar. 8 at 3:08 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KSIxSKULLS</b></div><div>Kevin Weekes on ESPN - Vegas gave Sharks 2 1sts for Tomas Hertl and there is “heavy salary retention”</div></div>
RETAINED FOR 7 YEARS?
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NHL
Mar. 8 at 1:19 p.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>I couldn’t possibly disagree more.
Buchnevich is as mid as guentzel. I never said he wasn’t.
Neither of these players are elite. They’re adequate. They don’t take over the game. They do their job. They’re given 100% of the good icetime. They have the best linemate, matchups, special teams, and d pairings possible. In guentzels case he literally has one of the best all time nhlers as his center. They’re good enough to do the job and that’s about it.</div></div>
"Mid" is a weird description for either of them. Michael Bunting is the one who is literally "mid". Now onto Jake, the worst thing about this "Crosby made Jake" take you and many others go on is that you can't answer a rather simple follow up question, if Crosby can make a guy a top line LW who is a ppg playoff performer and near that for is career... Why aren't all the other wingers who played with Sid on that level? Why is Conor Sheary who came into the team at the exact same time as Jake a bottom liner on near league minimum now? Shouldn't he be a top line player too? It's almost like you have to have skills to play with one of the greats of all time. Jake is objectively the best winger to ever play with Sid. The numbers back that up. Clearly then this very lazy take of "Sid made him and he is overrated" falls apart.
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NHL Trades
Mar. 8 at 8:41 a.m.
Thread:
(PIT/CAR) - Guentzel, Smith for Bunting, Koivunen, Ponomarev, Lucius, 2024 2nd (PHI), 2024 5th (CAR)
I like this trade for both teams
For Carolina, they get an elite winger without parting ways with a 1st or their better prospects
For Pittsburgh, a team with basically no prospects, they get Koivunen, Ponomarev and Lucius, 3 decent prospects and a 2nd (which may turn into a 1st). It is very much a quantity over quality package but it makes sense for Pittsburgh to want quantity
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 8 at 12:22 a.m.
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Get to learn the new prospects
Coming from a Canes fan, I would be most excited about Pono. Lucius and Koivunen have upside, but I think both of their NHL ceilings will be really hampered by poor skating unless they can get it together in that department. Pono is a more complete player, has an underrated shot, and can get started contributing right away in Pittsburgh. Hope y'all take care of him!
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NHL Trades
Mar. 7 at 11:47 p.m.
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(PIT/CAR) - Guentzel, Smith for Bunting, Koivunen, Ponomarev, Lucius, 2024 2nd (PHI), 2024 5th (CAR)
A Canes trade? AT THE DEADLINE???
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NHL Trades
Mar. 7 at 5:20 p.m.
Thread:
(TOR/CAR) - 2026 6th (TOR) for Webber
If I had a nickel for every time Don Waddell acquired a 6th round pick from the Toronto Maple Leafs in the last week, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that its happened twice
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NHL Trades
Mar. 7 at 5:15 p.m.
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(TOR/CAR) - 2026 6th (TOR) for Webber
Big fella has been pairing with Willander for a lot of season on top unit. Good move by Leafs.
(Until Carolina gets an AHL team…they are going to have a tough time signing some of these guys).
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