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Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 24, 2022 at 2:30 p.m.
Thread:
Tyler Bertuzzis Trade Value
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>Genuinely curious to know what comps you're using here, or is it primarily guess work based on gut feeling that could be potentially biased based on who you cheer for? Not meant as a critique, just curious. I'm sure there are others out there that have been moved in similar circumstances.
When it comes to "Yes, he said he's willing to re-sign", sure, everyone typically says that, because it'd be a pretty poor PR move from both sides (Bert side: makes him look bad, Wings side: reduces leverage). Not saying that he won't be extended, because there's a reasonable chance that he is, just throwing this stuff out there into the universe.</div></div>
Nah, they were just semi-educated guesses. I honestly wanted to know if there was some middle ground between the Bertuzzi factions that could be found. I just used the guidelines I listed and used The Athletic's organizational prospect rankings from February to try to stick to them. I tried not to include any personal bias, though I am a Wings fan, by using that outside source as a way to estimate how different prospects are valued in the hockey industry. The biggest pushback seemed to be on Knies and the LA package, which is cool...like I said I was just throwing those proposals to get feedback/a discussion started. Knies had a really good year, but was a late second round pick just a year ago so I didn't think it was an outrageous ask, but apparently Leafs fans think that would be a major overpay. The Kings package was based on the luster having worn off Turcotte quite a bit and I felt that asking for one of their young kids already contributing at the NHL would have been too much. Adding Faber seemed like it wasn't over the top - he was listed as the #7 prospect in their organization, though it is a very strong system - as he seems like a good, but not great asset. I just think Bertuzzi's value is an interesting debate.
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Armchair-GM
May 24, 2022 at 1:56 p.m.
Thread:
Probably making DET fans mad as usual with relatively decent trades
It's not the value being the issue in most of the trades that Wings fans summarily reject, as much as it is the failure of other fan bases to recognize where they are in their rebuild. Giving up assets for a soon to be 35 year old just doesn't make sense, even when that 35 year old is still a solid player. The Wings aren't going to be Cup contenders for, at least, a few years with or without guys like Jeff Petry, so what would be the upside of giving up future picks or young players to acquiring them?
I get the whole mentorship thing, but there are older vets that are still passable players who are great in the room that they can acquire for just short term money. Of course guys like Petry, Zucker, etc. would improve their team, but what does that really accomplish? They don't make the Wings into a Cup contender, and they likely don't even get them into the playoffs. That's not even mentioning the advantage the Wings have with all their free cap space. They'll likely be able to leverage that space into obtaining picks for taking on a contract or two other teams can no longer afford.
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Mock-Draft
May 20, 2022 at 8:10 p.m.
Thread:
Habs take Slafkovsky
The Wings have invested a ton of draft capital on LHD the past few years, so much so that they make up nearly half of their top 15 prospects - Edvinsson, Johansson, Wallinder, Buium, McIsaac, Sebrango and Viro. Their depth on the right side isn't good - though having Seider eases that concern. I'll be surprised if they go in any other direction other than finding a prospect that has a chance to be a #2 center.
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Armchair-GM
May 20, 2022 at 11:04 a.m.
Thread:
offersheet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TampaBayLightning22</b></div><div>I hope both Liljegren and Sandin get offer sheet $4,000,000 each, That would definitely screw the Leafs cap wise.</div></div>
I've seen some assertions that Liljegren isn't eligible for an offer sheet and I haven't found a definitive answer anywhere. I assumed all RFAs could get an offer sheet, and after reading through the different RFA rules/definitions I'm still not sure. Someone who is smarter than will have to clarify. :squinty
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Armchair-GM
May 17, 2022 at 7:14 p.m.
Thread:
Red Wings Fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Datsyukian</b></div><div>Defense is a team game, not a defensemen game. I can assure you Yzerman understands that.</div></div>
Of course it is, and I didn't intend to insinuate that it isn't. It would be fantastic if Hronek is a good second pair RHD moving forward, however, on the whole, last year he struggled. A coaching change, and an upgrade in partner could do the trick...hopefully it does. That would be one less hole for the Wings to fill.
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Armchair-GM
May 17, 2022 at 5:58 p.m.
Thread:
Red Wings Fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Datsyukian</b></div><div>Hronek is a really solid Dman haha I don't get the dislike for him around here. I expect him to be staying long term.</div></div>
After the wheels fell off the second half of the year, defensively, I'm not sure Yzerman shares that opinion. He usually keeps his feelings/thoughts so close to the vest that it's not worth trying to figure out what he's got planned, but when he was having his presser after letting Blashill go it was obvious he was seething over how the team performed defensively over those last 40-50 games. Perhaps a coaching change and a better partner will lift his play, but I'd guess he could be moved if the right offer comes along. I wouldn't be surprised if Seider is the only D from last year's roster that's a regular after the TDL next season.
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Armchair-GM
May 17, 2022 at 5:44 p.m.
Thread:
Red Wings Fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Phleb2</b></div><div>Johnston as well as Bourque and Stankoven are untouchables IMO. How about a 1st and a B prospect?</div></div>
To get Bertuzzi one of those three would have to be part of the return, otherwise it just doesn't make sense for Detroit. Totally get it if Dallas wouldn't want to go down that road.
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Armchair-GM
May 17, 2022 at 5:41 p.m.
Thread:
Red Wings Fans
I just don't think Lindell makes sense for the Wings for a couple of reasons. The idea behind potentially moving Bert, largely, is that his prime years don't line up with the "window" when the Wings will be ready to contend. Lindell is a year older than Bert, so it would defeat the purpose of building with that time frame in mind. They've also invested a ton of recent draft capital on LHD which is now close to paying dividends - Edvinsson, Johansson, Wallinder, McIsaac, Sebrango, Buium, and Viro (Walman might be interesting as well). If they do move Bert I'd imagine they'd want a solid center or RHD prospect and a premium draft pick. If they can't get that kind of return I'd guess they'll just work hard on extending him over the summer.
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Armchair-GM
May 14, 2022 at 3:34 p.m.
Thread:
Lachlans Wild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>I disagree Hronek is the Detroit player you see in the most ACGMs lately simply because young RHDs with his production are in need. He was 36th in points by defensemen and there were only like 3 or 4 2nd pair defenseman ahead of him on the list. I'm sorry but in todays NHL you need that 4th guy in the rush to score regularly in today's NHL. So you need to factor in production with defensemen it plays a much bigger role in the salary cap era. Yes he needs to work on his defensive game and that's exactly what was discussed in his exit interview with management. You also have to consider who he was paired with putting him with another offensively minded defenseman doesn't especially one over 30. Maybe Hronek gets moved down the road but for now the right side of the D fine. Finding a good stop gap LHD or 2 and a center or 2 is far more pressing. Paying 2 2nd rd picks for a single season of a defenseman with a $6M cap hit isn't smart at all. Dumba is more than 3yrs older and averages about 10 less games a season and that includes the 2018-19 season where Hronek spent the first half of the season in the AHL.</div></div>
I certainly hope Hronek turns out to be a long term piece, I just think that at this point it can't be assumed. I wasn't arguing that I would like to see them give up two 2 seconds for Dumba, only pushing back a little on the consistent assertions that the Red Wings don't need RHD.
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Armchair-GM
May 14, 2022 at 9:12 a.m.
Thread:
Lachlans Wild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>Detroit passes no need for an RHD and aren't going to give up 2 2nds for a rental.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TampaBayLightning22</b></div><div>Detroit doesn't need RD, And we're not giving up 2 2nd round picks for a rental in Matt Dumba.</div></div>
I'd argue that RHD is a pretty significant organizational need. Obviously, Seider will be a franchise pillar for the next 10+ years, however I'm not convinced that there are any other RHD currently in the system that can be counted on as solid pieces on a contender when the time comes. I think we all had high hopes for Hronek, but his year was disappointing...perhaps he can slot in as a second pair guy if he's paired with a really solid LH partner, but I don't think that can be considered a slam dunk at this point. Lindstrom struggled in the second half of the year and his ceiling appears to be a 6/7 D on a good team. Currently the best prospect on the right side is...Tuomisto? The jury is certainly out on him. If Jiricek falls to #8 I wouldn't be surprised to see the Wings grab him. Now whether Dumba makes sense is another subject, but after the performance of the D in the second half of the season I think it's possible, if not likely, that Stevie aggressively shakes up that whole unit aside from Seider, and the kids who appear to be close (Edvinsson and Johansson).
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Armchair-GM
May 5, 2022 at 3:35 p.m.
Thread:
Trades Im sick of seeing that wont happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy12Bob</b></div><div>I don't see any problem with getting Schmidt. Detroit has two big problems on their left side, they need someone to play 2nd pair with Hronek and help him out defensively (Marcus Pettersson fits perfectly here) and they need someone that can QB the 2nd PP and play top line with Seider and mentor him. Schmidt is one of several guys that would fit that job.
I see it as much more likely that Yzerman gets Schmidt (or one of the other options) to do that job than that he puts Edvinsson on the top line fresh out of camp after no experience at all playing on the smaller NHL sized ice.
Schmidt is still young enough that he can be traded after one or two years without problems. Detroit's ability to retain salary as well as the fact that the cap is starting to increase again helps enough that we shouldn't have any problem getting more back than we paid for him.
Schmidt has one advantage over other options, like Martinez or Scandella, and that is that he plays both sides. In case of injury to Seider or Hronek that could be very valuable.</div></div>
I get what you're saying, and they will address the left side one way or another, I just would be surprised if he goes the route of taking on a 31 year old with three years and $18 million left on his contract coming off a mediocre season. I could absolutely be wrong.
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Armchair-GM
May 5, 2022 at 10:32 a.m.
Thread:
Trades Im sick of seeing that wont happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Benzino204</b></div><div>The only bad thing about the Schmidt trade proposal is his NTC. The value is there, but would he waive for Detroit?</div></div>
I would be very surprised if Yzerman brings in Schmidt, who will be going into his age 31 season and has a cap hit of nearly $6 million for three more years. Left D is an issue, at least short term, but they've invested so much draft capital on that position I don't think they acquire anyone a on a deal longer than two years unless it's a guy like Pettersson who is younger and has a more movable contract when the prospects are ready. Edvinsson, in all likelihood, will be on the roster next year. Johansson has a chance to make the club sooner rather than later, and they have a good number of other LHD draftees that they think highly of in Wallinder, Buium, Viro, Sebrango, and McIsaac.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 6, 2021 at 5:48 p.m.
Thread:
A couple trades
Fantastic comments by all...probably the best I've seen. Logical back and forth with no insults...wow.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 2, 2021 at 11:00 a.m.
Thread:
2021-22 Red Wings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy12Bob</b></div><div>The two 2nd round picks you're sending to the Blues for Dunn have between them about a 30% higher chance of bringing a player back than the Washington #22 does.
You are in reality paying a lot more with your offer than if you just give them the Washington pick straight up.</div></div>
Good point...I was trying not to come across as lowballing the return. Still the only Blues fan called it a "whack" offer, so who knows (shrugs).
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Nov. 5, 2020 at 4:55 p.m.
Thread:
Stamkos
I don't understand why it's so difficult for folks to see that the Red Wings are not to take on older veteran players - even as good as a healthy Stamkos is - with big contracts, while giving up assets. Stevie is playing the long game by hoarding young players and draft picks, period. He's filling in holes with solid veterans on short, cheap contracts to bridge the gap until the kids are ready. Two off-seasons from now the Wings will be looking at a young core of Larkin, Mantha, Bertuzzi, Zadina, Raymond, Veleno, Seider, Berggren, Hronek, and whichever player they get in next year's 1st round. That's not even taking into consideration other solid prospects that may turn out to be contributors. They will have that core and over $40 million dollars in cap space. Some they might use next off-season to take a run at a big time free agent (maybe Dougie Hamilton), but even then they'll have over $30 in cap room heading into 2022-23. They aren't going to screw up that equation so they can win a handful more games this season and next by adding aging, big money stars. It makes no sense.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Oct. 20, 2020 at 10:07 a.m.
Thread:
hard decisions often lead to no satisfaction
Am I missing something? What happened to Yanni Gourde?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Oct. 13, 2020 at 7:20 p.m.
Thread:
Tampas best shot at winning and having a future
There's no way the Wings accept that deal. They could have had Johnson for free over the weekend a 'meh' prospect isn't going to the move the needle.
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Armchair-GM
Oct. 12, 2020 at 10:34 a.m.
Thread:
DET21
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>A little off topic but 1 thing i'm puzzled by is why keep Erne over Ehn?</div></div>
Because they didn't qualify him?
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Armchair-GM
Oct. 6, 2020 at 12:18 p.m.
Thread:
Winning the draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Drw4209</b></div><div>Nonsense of course they'd consider it, it's completely reasonable and beneficial to a win now team</div></div>
Krug would obviously improve the team the next couple of seasons, but that I don't see that as the biggest priority. At this point I think it's just too early to be handing out long term, big money free agents. The short term goal should be adding as many picks and prospects as you possibly can. Taking on bad contracts that won't handcuff them two years from now when they are ready to really compete (hopefully) to add those picks and prospects seems to me to be the right path to take. If you add Krug at $7 million X 5 it could cost you an opportunity down the line to pursue better options that align better with the rebuilding plan. That could be as soon as Dougie Hamilton next year or it could be down the line if Seth Jones or Zach Werenski reach the open market. I do like the thought process behind your proposed Turris trade.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 30, 2020 at 10:03 a.m.
Thread:
Scooting Piker
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DiehardRedWingsFan58</b></div><div>Unless Nathan Legare is your top prospect that's not going to cut moving 3 years @ $3,250,000 for Jack Johnson Detroit got a 2nd from the Rangers for one year of Marc Staal it would easily cost Pittsburgh's 2022 1st round pick at minimal. And Detroit sure isn't surrendering a late 2nd round pick either.</div></div>
I agree. That's not going to work for taking three years of Jack Johnson. Legare + a 2nd for future considerations or Filppula might work, and even then I don't know if it would be enough for the Wings to take that contract.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sep. 29, 2020 at 1:57 p.m.
Thread:
Building for the future
The Wings aren't trading away picks, especially for mediocre players that have already reached RFA status.
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Fauteuil - DG
Sep. 28, 2020 at 9:15 a.m.
Thread:
Good 4iem lines
-why are you so obsessed with me gif
Mantha to all Montreal AGMs
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 28, 2020 at 9:08 a.m.
Thread:
More Scoring and a Goalie
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TWOminutes4surging</b></div><div>Detroit fans will say no because you didn't include Necas and 2020 1st Rd. pick. They don't want solid hockey players that are better than 90% their current roster. They only want draft picks that may or may not ever make to the NHL.</div></div>
Personally, I'd take that deal. It's not that the Wings don't want solid players, it's that the window of being competitive is still a couple of years away so they are playing a long game. Yzerman has stated over and over that they're trying to stockpile picks and prospects. Yes, Gardner is better than a lot of guys the Wings threw out on the ice last year but he also has three years left on a contract that has a significant cap hit. Given his play the last couple of years, it's a contract that makes him overpaid.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 23, 2020 at 5:49 p.m.
Thread:
priorities
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SweetRevenge19</b></div><div>DiPietro is not that guy to be our legit future #1, he’s barely a better prospect than Filip Larsson. DiPietro is not at the level of Demko. Why do you think smallish 6 foot goalie prospects hold so much value</div></div>
If they don't value DiPietro as a top 10 goalie prospect then you're absolutely right.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 23, 2020 at 5:42 p.m.
Thread:
MAX CAP
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>slapshot723</b></div><div>Take out Hickey and Wahlstrom, change to Bellows/Wilde/Salo/Iskhahov, and you have a deal.</div></div>
Boychuk, Salo, Iskhakov & the 2021 1st for Erne or Hirose more palatable?
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