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Forum:
NHL Trades
Mar. 1, 2023 at 2:43 p.m.
Thread:
(COL/WSH) - 2nd for Eller
A 2nd does seem steep. But at the same time. If you go back to the Lehkonen deal everyone thought the avs lost that. Then he scores the game winning goal in the western conference finals. And the Stanley cup finals. Then if you go back to the Georgiev deal everyone thought the avs lost that. And yet he is having a very good season. And looks like a genuine starter. I say we give this trade a chance. Avs so far have made us look wrong on a few of there previous moves.
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NHL Signings
Sep. 21, 2022 at 1:19 a.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Nathan MacKinnon (8 Years / $12,600,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ritzy</b></div><div>Happy for Nate, players gotta make their money.
This doesn't look like the discount everyone was talking about.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sens_Sicko</b></div><div>Well... they're never winning again after this year LOL</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KSIxSKULLS</b></div><div>Hometown boy for my Hometown team, but WOOF that's terrible</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>bunch of people gonna be jumping over hoops to say this is team friendly is some way.
it's not. about what you'd expect him to make even with the cap expected to go up in the next few seasons.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>UpsideDownQue</b></div><div>Dang, thats more than I was expecting</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nqutilus</b></div><div>I mean good deal considering he’s been on pace for 100+ points the past few seasons AND he’s our franchise center. Obviously not team friendly but considering he’s won his cup it makes sense for him to go for the money.
To anyone saying bad deal, what choice do we have? Let him walk in free agency? All things considered he probably could’ve gotten even more on the open market.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CEO</b></div><div>What happened to his team-first mentality?
Though, for real, he is an amazing player. But not McDavid</div></div>
Sorry but some of you guys don't have a clue what a good deal looks like for a player of this quality, with a rising cap...
Mackinnon could have easily got 14+ million from multiple teams. Taking 1.50-2m off his market value is a huge hometown discount. He easily left 12-16 million on the table over the course of this deal, compared to what he could have gotten.
You need to compare cap hit percentage, not just face value...
Otherwise you might as well say " 1 million dollars for a house?!?!? My Grandma bought her house for $50,000!"
Its all relative.
Cap hit percentages of star players when they signed:
Ovechkin - 18.96%
Crosby - 17.30%
Mcdavid - 16.67%
Malkin - 15.34%
Mackinnon - 15.27%
Toews/Kane - 15.22%
Mcdavid today at the same cap % would have a cap hit of $13,752,750
Forum:
NHL Signings
Sep. 21, 2022 at 12:53 a.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Nathan MacKinnon (8 Years / $12,600,000 AAV)
This is a fine contract. Stop comparing this to McDavid. If McDavid were signing an extension this summer it would be worth more than $12.6- it’s all about timing with contracts, across all sports.
The Avs have their core locked up for a long time, and as the cap trickles up they’ll be able to extend others. They’ll be able to build around this core without a doubt- in no way is MacKs contract crippling or anything
Go Avs!
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NHL Signings
Sep. 20, 2022 at 9:35 p.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Nathan MacKinnon (8 Years / $12,600,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>Why do you think panarin is a good comparison?
The two years before the deal panarin had
160 gp 55 g and 169 pts
Over 82 GP that's 28 g and 87 points
MacKinnon
113 gp 52 g and 153 pts
Over 82 GP that's 38 g and 111 pts
They're incomparable. If you go with 4 years to match panarins career in the NHL the difference is bigger
MacKinnon is in the tier below McDavid (perhaps McDavid and Matthews) with draisaitl. He's above panarin. He's certainly way above panarin before panarin joined the Rangers.</div></div>
From the time Panarin debuted in the league, until he signed with the Rangers, which was 4 seasons total, he had the 8th most points of any player in the league. MacKinnon has had the 4th most points in the league since his break out season in 17-18.
If you extend performance to after Panarin signed with the Rangers, the last two seasons, MacKinnon has 1.35 P/PG, Panarin has 1.32 P/PG. Their production has basically mirrored one another since 18-19.
No comparable is going to be on the money, but they are reasonably close. Panarin was offered 12M by the Blue Jackets, which he turned down. MacKinnon's contract is nothing insane or ground breaking. Given all the circumstances, he got something around what he should get. People just get sticker shock every time a big contract is signed.
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NHL Signings
Sep. 20, 2022 at 8:33 p.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Nathan MacKinnon (8 Years / $12,600,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>budgeteam</b></div><div>Panarin is a good comparison in terms of context. He was offered an 8 year 12M AAV contract by Columbus. He rejected it, and took less to sign with a more prestigious team. MacKinnon stayed with his team and signed 12.6M x 8 years under a slightly higher cap. Their production is very similar, although MacKinnon is a bit ahead of him. They are a similar age (at the time of signing). MacKinnon plays the more valuable position.
That is a 600k difference between what Panarin was offered by Columbus before even adjusting for the cap (although the difference would be minimal).
People are getting stuck on McDavid's AAV. McDavid got a higher cap hit percentage. He was an RFA. It was also leaked that he agreed to 13.5M and then decided to take a discount, but I am suspicious of the validity of that. It seems like a planted story.
McDavid, Matthews, and Draisaitl will all get more than MacKinnon here. Those are the only three players with contracts coming up who have been anywhere near as productive as MacKinnon. MacKinnon has been the third most productive player in the game since he broke out in 2017-18, with Kucherov slightly ahead of him, and McDavid ahead of both of them on his own tier.
If you look at historical cap hit percentages, this is not at all out of line. Especially when you consider how the deflated cap due to escrow might have played into expectations that players and teams have about where the cap ceiling will be a few years into any deal signed now.</div></div>
Why do you think panarin is a good comparison?
The two years before the deal panarin had
160 gp 55 g and 169 pts
Over 82 GP that's 28 g and 87 points
MacKinnon
113 gp 52 g and 153 pts
Over 82 GP that's 38 g and 111 pts
They're incomparable. If you go with 4 years to match panarins career in the NHL the difference is bigger
MacKinnon is in the tier below McDavid (perhaps McDavid and Matthews) with draisaitl. He's above panarin. He's certainly way above panarin before panarin joined the Rangers.
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NHL Signings
Sep. 20, 2022 at 7:27 p.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Nathan MacKinnon (8 Years / $12,600,000 AAV)
Panarin is a good comparison in terms of context. He was offered an 8 year 12M AAV contract by Columbus. He rejected it, and took less to sign with a more prestigious team. MacKinnon stayed with his team and signed 12.6M x 8 years under a slightly higher cap. Their production is very similar, although MacKinnon is a bit ahead of him. They are a similar age (at the time of signing). MacKinnon plays the more valuable position.
That is a 600k difference between what Panarin was offered by Columbus before even adjusting for the cap (although the difference would be minimal).
People are getting stuck on McDavid's AAV. McDavid got a higher cap hit percentage. He was an RFA. It was also leaked that he agreed to 13.5M and then decided to take a discount, but I am suspicious of the validity of that. It seems like a planted story.
McDavid, Matthews, and Draisaitl will all get more than MacKinnon here. Those are the only three players with contracts coming up who have been anywhere near as productive as MacKinnon. MacKinnon has been the third most productive player in the game since he broke out in 2017-18, with Kucherov slightly ahead of him, and McDavid ahead of both of them on his own tier.
If you look at historical cap hit percentages, this is not at all out of line. Especially when you consider how the deflated cap due to escrow might have played into expectations that players and teams have about where the cap ceiling will be a few years into any deal signed now.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Sep. 21, 2022 at 7:21 a.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Nathan MacKinnon (8 Years / $12,600,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Internetkingz</b></div><div>I agree that McDavid is a few years younger - and they both do have different playing styles. I wouldn't say McDavid is light years ahead of him though. I don't think Panarin is a fair comparison that is undercutting him a bit. Also, the whole Wing vs center debate plays a factor.
Mcdavid, Matthews, Eichel, Point - accounting for age - games played etc might be better comparisons some a bit more than others</div></div>
McDavid's current contract started when he was just 21. That's not at all a comp for MacKinnon's 28-35 contract. Panarin's deal runs through ages 27-34 - that is comparable.
Look at scoring in the past 2 years, too:
1. McDavid: 136, 77-151-228
10. Panarin: 117, 39-115-154
11. MacKinnon: 113, 52-101-153
McDavid is a vastly better player and his contract covers completely different ages, including 4 RFA years.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Sep. 21, 2022 at 1:37 a.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Nathan MacKinnon (8 Years / $12,600,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KSIxSKULLS</b></div><div>You're looking at his past to determine his future. History shows that he's already past his prime when the deal starts. On the bright side, the Cap is going to skyrocket so it won't be bad.</div></div>
He isn't past his prime. He is in it.
Players like Mackinnon don't have the same performance curve of an average player.
This is not a player that will decline hard at 29/30...
Forum:
NHL Signings
Sep. 20, 2022 at 5:01 p.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Nathan MacKinnon (8 Years / $12,600,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Internetkingz</b></div><div>Considering the top 11 players in the NHL in terms of Salary - I would say it is a great deal. 8 years - this will age very well.
Basically EJ's contract rolled in MacKinnon
If you think it is a bad signing, I would say look at it in 1-3 years, and it might be one of the best
Connor McDavid
EDM
C $12,500,000
2
Artemi Panarin
NYR
LW $11,642,857
3
Auston Matthews
TOR
C $11,640,250
4
Erik Karlsson
SJS
D $11,500,000
5
Drew Doughty
LAK
D $11,000,000
John Tavares
TOR
C $11,000,000
7
Mitchell Marner
TOR
RW $10,903,000
8
Carey Price
MTL
G $10,500,000
Patrick Kane
CHI
RW $10,500,000
Jonathan Toews
CHI
C $10,500,000
11
Anze Kopitar
LAK
C $10,000,000
Jack Eichel
VGK
C $10,000,000
Aleksander Barkov
FLA
C $10,000,000
Sergei Bobrovsky
FLA
G $10,000,000</div></div>
You're looking at his past to determine his future. History shows that he's already past his prime when the deal starts. On the bright side, the Cap is going to skyrocket so it won't be bad.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Sep. 20, 2022 at 5:06 p.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Nathan MacKinnon (8 Years / $12,600,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Not true. McDavid took less than offered.</div></div>
So did Tavares. He was offered 14 from San Jose.
I suspect MacKinnon could have gotten more than this
Forum:
NHL Signings
Sep. 20, 2022 at 4:07 p.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Nathan MacKinnon (8 Years / $12,600,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Missouri</b></div><div>"he's going to take a team discount" - Avs Fans
"HOW BOUT NO" - Mackinnon
-Mackinnon is good, but I wouldn't say he's worth more then McDavid. If the avs win a few more cups. I'd say this is worth it right away. But if they don't, I'm going to call it a huge overpay.</div></div>
He took about 1.1m less than McDavid current market. Thats a discount, especially since McDavid hadn't won a cup and showed he was a dominant playoff performer.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Sep. 20, 2022 at 4:01 p.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Nathan MacKinnon (8 Years / $12,600,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Internetkingz</b></div><div>Considering the top 11 players in the NHL in terms of Salary - I would say it is a great deal. 8 years - this will age very well.
Basically EJ's contract rolled in MacKinnon
If you think it is a bad signing, I would say look at it in 1-3 years, and it might be one of the best
Connor McDavid
EDM
C $12,500,000
2
Artemi Panarin
NYR
LW $11,642,857
3
Auston Matthews
TOR
C $11,640,250
4
Erik Karlsson
SJS
D $11,500,000
5
Drew Doughty
LAK
D $11,000,000
John Tavares
TOR
C $11,000,000
7
Mitchell Marner
TOR
RW $10,903,000
8
Carey Price
MTL
G $10,500,000
Patrick Kane
CHI
RW $10,500,000
Jonathan Toews
CHI
C $10,500,000
11
Anze Kopitar
LAK
C $10,000,000
Jack Eichel
VGK
C $10,000,000
Aleksander Barkov
FLA
C $10,000,000
Sergei Bobrovsky
FLA
G $10,000,000</div></div>
Its also 1.1m less than what mcdavid signed at when he signed his deal.
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NHL Signings
Sep. 20, 2022 at 12:38 p.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Nathan MacKinnon (8 Years / $12,600,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CEO</b></div><div>What happened to his team-first mentality?</div></div>
considering he signed less % of the cap than expected, this a discount still
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 6, 2021 at 2:23 p.m.
Thread:
Realistic or Unrealistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juiceman</b></div><div>Lol I wish everyone was like MacKinnon and takes less to help the team out. Unfortunately it’s not like that in most cases…</div></div>
MacKinnon didnt take less money at the time, he signed the same deal as all the RFAs in his offseason class. He just went to super star status after he signed it.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 10, 2021 at 10:55 a.m.
Thread:
Avs - Miller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>Yeah, as a Ducks fan, I wouldn't have any issue with it, especially if it gives him a shot at the cup. I'm 99% sure the Ducks have an understanding with Miller that they won't move him though. His wife and family live in SoCal, and my understanding is that Anaheim is pretty much the only spot he would play.</div></div>
You'd think it would be worth it to ask again, though. Just, "Hey man, the Avs called and asked if you'd be willing to play for them the last part of the season and into the playoffs. What do you think?" He'd have to consider it. The allure of one last run might be enough of an enticement, especially considering how little of the season is left after the TDL.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 9, 2021 at 1:16 p.m.
Thread:
Avs - Miller
Can't imagine it would cost much at all. Seems like a good move for all involved
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Armchair-GM
Feb. 15, 2021 at 5:42 p.m.
Thread:
2021 All Canadian Team Could a different division put out a better team
Im making a team for every division rn.
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Armchair-GM
Feb. 5, 2021 at 11:55 a.m.
Thread:
Avs - Just for Fun - Based on the News and Rumors
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Internetkingz</b></div><div>I wonder if they would eat say 25% of it in the right deal</div></div>
If they aren't retaining no one is trading (or if they take a negative asset back). He was waived and no one took him for free
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Armchair-GM
Feb. 5, 2021 at 11:38 a.m.
Thread:
Avs - Just for Fun - Based on the News and Rumors
Rangers have stated that they aren’t going to retain half on deangelo. They can carry him on the TS and buy him out this summer for 800k, so no need to sell for a loss
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Armchair-GM
Feb. 2, 2021 at 3:54 p.m.
Thread:
Carey Price to Colorado
Yeah because what contender wouldn't want an over-the-hill goalie making $10.5m? And giving away two 1st round picks for that pleasure no less. SMH
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Armchair-GM
Feb. 2, 2021 at 6:05 a.m.
Thread:
MacKinnon one-two week injury
This is exposing the Avs need for a 3C in a big way. That center depth is awful.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 1, 2021 at 10:56 a.m.
Thread:
De Je Vu
Players can only be put on LTIR if a doctor rules them out for at least 24 days. If Calvert is day-to-day or week-to-week it's unlikely that the NHL (or rather, the NHLPA) would approve of him being put on LTIR.
As for your comment about replacing the strength coaches, the injuries this team is suffering aren't muscular injuries, so blaming the physio's isn't really valid. Bellemare hurt his knee in a collision; Toews got hit in the foot with a puck; Calvert got hit in the head with a puck and has history with concussions; and Johnson hit his face in the ice and likely has a concussion. None of those are down to bad training. We don't know what's wrong with Francouz or Mackinnon but Francouz had hip surgery and Mackinnon seemed to be moving fine all game yesterday so they don't seem to be muscle related injuries either.
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Armchair-GM
Jan. 28, 2021 at 6:58 p.m.
Thread:
Wishful thinking
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Internetkingz</b></div><div>100% agree, it was more of a general statement than a reflection on this trade - I think it is decent trade no 2nd round picks for 3 yrs sucks but if it is the cost of a CUP "would pay it all day every day and twice on Sunday"</div></div>
Yeah I think most of us would take that in a heartbeat, and there's always the possibility of re-acquiring picks in later trades as the cap becomes more of an issue. Seconds are valuable but at least we kept all the firsts intact in this scenario. I'd say this would set us up to be contenders for more than one cup as well.
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Armchair-GM
Jan. 28, 2021 at 6:48 p.m.
Thread:
Wishful thinking
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Internetkingz</b></div><div>3C is an issue, is it fixable without causing greater damage is the question</div></div>
I'm not sure I'd consider this damage per se but I get your meaning if you mean loss of prospects/picks. Were not giving up all that much tbh. There are likely to be some available for less later in the day (TDL) but do we want to wait that long? It's a tricky one especially with a shortened season.
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Armchair-GM
Jan. 28, 2021 at 6:33 p.m.
Thread:
Wishful thinking
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pond_Duck</b></div><div>I know people are thinking that Kadri sucks and he must be traded.
And after his last game I’ve changed my mind a little, we have to face it he has had a bad start to the season, but he looked better last night. But he still has a long way to go to getting back to his true form.
I say we give Ol’kadri some time and if he still sucks let’s say in around 10 games then we may trade him.
But I’d like Danult, I would view him as an upgrade.
And the rest of the trades, just give the bottom 6 some time get situated and set and we will see. Because remember we are still early.
I think it’s to early to press the panic button and completely rework the bottom 6.</div></div>
Absolutely agree on the panic button aspect (normally us saying that to you isn't it :P ), but there's no question there needs to be some work done in the #3C department.
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