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Aug 3, 2020
New York Islanders
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>I’ve been a big fan of Salo for a while. Isles fans overrate Bolduc, Salo is the better prospect and I don’t think it’s that close. He doesn’t make mistakes and he can make plays in all 3 zones. If he earns a spot Trotz better play him over Greene.
Ross played well but Cizikas and Clutter were driving play at a high level. Ross should play in the AHL this season, there’s no room for him on the roster
Raty needs to work on his skating but his puck skills and hockey sense are elite. I think he’ll be a great 2C In 2-3 years.
I don’t think Holmstrom ever makes the NHL. Not just based on last night, he’s just shown nothing over the past two years. What an awful pick. Tomasino was right there , i thought for sure he was the pick. I actually think Lou’s drafting has been pretty good otherwise so I just don’t understand wtf he was thinking there. Bolduc, jefferies, Dufour, Newkirk, Raty, Malinen all seem to have NHL futures which isn’t bad for 3 years of drafting, 2 without a 1st</div></div>
Of course, but for the first (?) time he looked like he could play on someones 4th line. But yeah, theres to much competition for him.
Exactly, and I believe management and him recognizes that, I am very confident in his potential, already looks pretty mature, very lucky and good pick.
Yeah, I don’t know wtf the thinking was there, they also reached a lot to pick him… in a season Holmström barely played due to injury as well. I was sure they would take Tomasino or McMichael, especially due to the lack of natural C prospects in the system. I don’t see Iskhakov having a chance at C in NHL and Koivula was forced into that role rather being an centerman naturally. Extremely weird pick all over.
Salo was so calm last night. And one underrated aspect of Toews was how "good" he made Mayfield look, I saw some similarities in that regard last night. Love that Barry specifically wanted to talk about him on the press conference after the game. Ross actually looked alot better playing with Zeeker and Clutter, Kyle MacLean impressed on me. Bellows makes me sad, you could tell he lacks confidence overall I would say. Räty showed some good stickhandling and hockey-iq. Holmström was the biggest let down of them all, he just looks gassed all the time, he needs to improve his skating severely or he´ll never make the NHL. There are some comps to Bailey in his passing and reading of the game, but he´s just so slow, kinda drifting out there, never work in an Trotz system. I cry thinking about how much I wanted Tomasino, McMichael or Kaliyev at that pick. Erik Gustafsson was awful, he did some nice things offensively, but my God he is bad defensively.
Ilya Sorokin looked like an elite goalie. So calm and athletic.
Love to overreact and read into things based on one pre-season game haha.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>The isles need Wahlstrom to pan out as a top line sniper (looks like it’s going to happen), 1 of Salo or Bolduc to become a 2nd pairing defenseman, and to extend their window they’ll need Raty to take over as 2C in 2-3 years. The prospect pool isn’t great, but they have some solid pieces that fit the teams needs over the next 2-3 years</div></div>
I find it fascinating how clueless a guy like Corey Pronman is in his prospect evaluations, I really like Scott Wheeler and Smaht Scouting etc. Pronman had Räty as our best prospect ahead of Wahlstrom and Dobson, Wahlstrom was in the 80s-100s, and players like David Gustafsson and his likes was ahead, embarassing. Of course Islanders future is dependent on several prospects and young guys to take the next step and coreguys keeping their high level. But with a young(ish) core of Sorokin, Pelech, Pulock, Dobson, Salo, Bolduc (?), Barzal, Beauvillier, Wahlstrom, Räty and a possible breaktrough from a player we didnt expect... Its looking real good. Complement that core with some UFA players and let the old guard in Lee be valuable in a 2nd, 3rd line role going into their 30s and we have a good chance of being real good for a long time.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>Yeah I feel like the general consensus is that he’s still elite two way guy.
I’m not worried about Pulock tbh, I’m pretty sure he grew up an islanders fan and he seems to love it here.
I can see him giving Dobson 5.25 x 6. This would be Dobsons 2nd good season (he was impressive his rookie year) and Lou has paid guys off of one good season , like zaitsev.</div></div>
Ok, interesting, didn’t think so. I mean there are only 16 d who’s making 8 or more in the league… and some of them is overpaid, old, past their prime guys in Subban, Karlsson, Burns, Ekman-Larsson, Doughty and some just brutally overvalued in Nurse and Jones. I find it really hard to think Lindholm has the same reputation as those guys, but a bidding-war at freee agency, sure it could happen I guess.
I forget that Zaitsev contract. I hope he could get him for longerterm for sure.
Ryan Pulock growing up as an Islander fan? Hasn’t he a Toronto tattoo haha, I believed he was a big Maple Leaf fan growing up… I’m sure he loves it on the island with all his teammates though, especially when we are a SC contender.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>I still think based on Linholms reputation he’ll get 8.
I do think Pulock is a team guy so you could be right, i see him getting 7.5 x 8. He’s due for some positive regression this season (10+ goals). I’d rather lock him up now.
Dobson seems like a loyal kid, and I think he would be down to sign for 6 years at around 4.5-5.5 mill depending on how he does this season.</div></div>
I’m actually very surprised by your comment about his reputation, I don’t get the feeling he’s having a 8 mil dollar type reputation at all, I feel like a lot of people have stopped being ”high” on him and feels he’s a good top-4 guy, absolutely worth a middle 1st rounder, but not elite. Maybe I’ve totally missed that talk around him
Yeah, the smartest thing from Isles perspective and almost a necessity, is to resign him now or in a few months, we cannot afford a desperate team trying to overpay him massively in free agency, even if we decide to match it, it totally ruins our caphit. And not to talk about the possibility of loosing him, it would be way worse than Tavares leaving. Our d-core would then look very underwhelming.
Yeah I cannot in any way, see Lou give him close to Pelech money for 1 really good season, I simply don’t think Lou works like that… 2-3 mil feels like the most reasonable going by how Lou historically operates.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>Lindholm probably wants at least 8 mill. I highly doubt Pulock gets 6.5 , more like 7.5-8. I’d rather not bridge Dobson. It would be nice to lock up a young player long term.
Agreed on Bailey. Hopefully Golyshev replaces him.</div></div>
Yeah he probably wants 8 mil, but I doubt he gets it, if he’s not having a massive offensive breakout, we both know as a defenseman you get paid the big dollars based on a lot of points, look at Adam Pelech compared to Darnell Nurse. Good for us in that case.
I’m not to sure about Pulock either, remember how strongly he felt about keeping the group together and how he talked to Barzal about it. I actually think Parayko’s deal is the deal Lou sees as the best comparison for him and I don’t think Pulock will demand a lot more, especially considering Pelech’s deal this summer. I don’t think it looks good to Pelech either if Pulock got 8, almost 2.3 mil more than him, it would be to put him pretty much above him in status. Look at the Boston model after Bergeron, we kinda have it with Lee also, obviously Barzal will get more than 7, but I’m not sure many else will, by Lou it feels like the Captain - ”the most important player” should earn the best…
I don’t want to bridge Dobson either, much like the Sorokin signing this year, but I doubt Dobson want to do a Klingberg deal, even though, ironically Klingberg will be rewarded after his prime heavily next year.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>Hampus Lindholm is going to cost a lot and we can’t afford to re-sign him. I hope they let Salo run with his opportunity like Toews did during the 18-19 season. Then give equal ice time to both Salo-mayfield, chara-Dobson. It’s like having two 2nd pairs.
But if we have to trade for a 2LD, I like Kulak, Holden, de haan , soucy</div></div>
I don’t know if I agree with that we could’t resign him. Komarov, Hickey and Clutterbuck’s contracts are up next year which is almost 9 mil and 1 mil will be added to the cap next year. Clutterbuck maybe costs 1.5 at most, Pulock and Dobson will need raises, but Pulock should get the Parayko deal; 8x6.5, which is just 1.5 more then he makes now. Dobson 2.5 max on a bridge? And I don’t think it’s off the board Varlamov gets traded with 1 year left to recoup some draft-capital. With the caveat of Sorokin establish himself as a true number one. I think Lindholm could elevate his game and fall in love with the game again if he were to play for a good team again.
I also believe Josh Bailey could be moved next season if he continues to regress. It was pretty telling by the expansion draft Lou doesn’t feel he needs to show Bailey loyalty, if he did, he definitely would of protected him, even if it was agreed upon Seattle would take Eberle it still tells something.