Jan. 3, 2018
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>backpacker10</b></div><div>I think you’re chasing your tail on this. A player who is under contract for 8 years, which is the case in the above scenario, is far more valuable than one who can walk to free agency in 12 months.
Put another way, let’s say this ACGM had DeBrincat going to the Canes with no contract extension, instead of an eight year guarantee. Then yes, a 1st, 2nd, 3rd pick would be great compensation. But in the entirely fictional scenario that I proposed on this site, because after all that is the purpose of this site, the trade involved a superstar being signed and traded the Carolina on an eight year deal, in exchange for 2 players with no extension. Sounds a lot like Tkachuk for Huberdeau and Weegar. As a matter of fact, Huberdeau and Weegar are better than your guys.
My fingers are getting tired, but I’ll try one last stab at this to see if we can find common ground. If I am the Canes, I would never trade for 1 year of DeBrincat for the package I proposed. However, on an eight year sign and trade, the Sens can back up the Brinks truck, be it with the Canes or with the 30 other teams that will be making a call.
And in closing, in real life I hope we re-sign and keep DeBrincat for 8 years. And then sign Teravainen and Pesce as UFAs for free in 2024.
Have a great weekend.</div></div>
Except he’s not a UFA at the end of this season and current contract. He’s RFA. OTT still retained his rights for at least another season. Him signing an 8 year deal wouldn’t make his value sky rocket to Tkachuk value when he was just traded for less. His past trade is closer to current value than comparing him to Tkachuk because of the previously mentioned RFA status.
No matter how you want to frame it Debrincat’s value doesn’t skyrocket with an 8 year deal. It may rise some but not to the degree you’re trying to push.
Also Pesce is probably the best RHD (I could be forgetting someone) in the NHL behind Makar, there’s no reason to move him.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>I don't even think it's an Eakins or a system problem, the issue is lack of depth scoring. We have one scoring line in Zegras Terry Henrique right now. Dallas blender with the lines is trying to spread out the talent guys in an effort to get them better matchups. When you've got one line that gets all the Goals, and the Centers name isn't McDavid, it's easy to play against them because if you shut down that one line, you shut down the team.
Now maybe Dallas is hitting the random button too often and there's no chemistry being formed, but for whatever reason, Strome, Vatrano, Comtois, Silfverberg, Kling, etc are not scoring goals.</div></div>
The system is bad. They struggle in the Dzone which drains their energy for the Ozone. Neutral zone is pretty easy to get thru most nights too. Yes the depth is poor but it’s not this bad.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>Yes, true. I loathe the idea of moving either Zellweger or Mintyukov until they are KNOWN quantities, call it PTSD from the Shea Theodore debacle. Warren I would also be furious about loosing. The other two I could move.
I'm wondering though, IF we win 1OA and select Bedard, does it make sense to do a hockey trade, Chychrun for Zegras? Our center core would be Bedard, McTavish, Strome/Lundestom, (Insert 4th line C here) with a few good C prospects still in the tank.
The reason I say this is I am really not happy with what I am seeing from Zegras right now, and neither is the team. The bench was glaring daggers at him last night when he took the illegal equipment penalty at the end of the 2nd. The kid is starting to take a lot of bad penalties, and I think the team is getting rather fed up with his ****. I think being the cover athlete of NHL23 went to his head and he is more interested in being a star than part of the team right now. He started mouthing off to Benn in the third and got elbowed and yelled at by Benn, he looked shook, and no one on the bench even batted an eyelash at it. Letting him hear the branch creak underneath him might scare him straight again. It would be a young star for a young star, similar to the Drouin trade back in the day.</div></div>
They’re not trading Zegras. This is what happens when you take a young ultra competitive person and put him on an awful team. It’s part of why I’ve said from the beginning that actively tanking this season was a bad idea. Bringing back Eakins was an awful decision it’s showing. I will give Verbeek a little bit of slack because he wasn’t trying to actively tank with the roster tho.
As for Zellweger and Minty, neither of those guys are moved unless it’s for an elite player. They’ll be ducks I imagine. Zellweger probly at the end of the season. The other guys listed plus the couple of NCAA guy could be moved for roster improvements tho.