Jimbo1119

Jimbo1119
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Forum: Armchair-GMJan 11 at 9:26
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 10 at 10:27
Thread: Detroit Ottawa Colorado
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NYR_Mike</b></div><div>Totally understand the last 3 in Byram, Newhook, and Timmons. Too good of prospects to include in a kreider trade...byram for kreider straight up is a total loss for the Avs. But i am curious, 13 points in 24 games for Bowers in the American isn't exactly blowing anyone out of the water.

Is Bowers THAT good, maybe I am missing something. Obviously a NYR fan and not a AVS fan.</div></div>

I'm a Ranger fan too...just making a comment based on the feedback I've seen...would like to hear from Avs fans on this- my gut tells me that Sakic will fight tooth and nail for those prospects- and you probably can include Kaut as well..the fact that one or two of them has had a slow start in AHL I don't think derails their commitment to any of these guys. Just my opinion.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 3 at 3:24
Thread: Kreider and Toffoli
The Kreider trade might actually be close in terms of value...Ranger fans will look at the Marleau trade as setting the market for a 6M dump...but although BOS has a lot of work to do- they are not bent over a barrel as much as TOR was last year...yet they do need to do something to sign 3-4 players and a b/u goalie...with probably around 19M for next year. And adding Kreider would be another player to pay...if Boston would see Kreider as a rental- that would diminish the return going back...so lots of questions here starting with BOS intentions for Kreider.

Question I have is what would it take to include B. Smith as a passenger in this deal? would you go for Kreider + Smith in exchange for Backes+Heinen, + 2020 2nd+ 2021 3rd (cond 1st if Kreider resigns)?

Thats Smith with money retained
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 3 at 2:23
Thread: Players that just need to go
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Book_Hockey</b></div><div>Skjei is not a top 4 D. He's struggled mightily the past couple of games, and Buchnevich has been nothing short of a disappointment this season. Do yourself a favor and look up Strome's underlying analytics with and without Panarin- the difference is staggering.</div></div>

I agree (unfortunately) with your points here...with the exception that Skjei is not a top 4D...not disagreeing that he has struggled- he sure has...and will continue until the Rangers employ a D strategy which works in the modern NHL. Several defensemen have left this system to flourish elsewhere and several have been adequate elsewhere only to come here and struggle...with Skjei's size and skating ability he would probably fall right in line with this...of course, his value is based on what he is doing now...that all said- doubt he is moved...and one other thing: highly doubt Peg moves on from Ehlers or Versalainen...let alone both.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 3 at 1:05
Thread: NYR Up to TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bhavikp27</b></div><div>He was healthy scratched one game. Cassidy wanted to " send a message ". He is one of the best defensive winger for our team and we won't move him, since we need to add a winger in our middle-six, not lose one.</div></div>

Fair enough...was surprised to see him listed that way...anyway- the main purpose of this deal was to generate a little cap room for the Bruins all the while adding a middle 6 forward (who RFA this year still carries a measure of cost control)...On the Ranger side they would be adding a late 1st (in a supposedly deep draft) at the cost of taking on additional cap and moving on from a serviceable player (whose resigning may serve to block a prospect or two). Ironically- the cap swap might mutually benefit both teams...Smith might actually provide some D reinforcement while Backes might provide another temporary veteran presence for the Rangers' developing prospects.
If Heinen is off limits (understood) what might the Bruins be willing to part with? Or would they just not be interested in what this deal has to offer?
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 1 at 4:25
Thread: NYR Up to TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>Stone of a top 10 winger In the league, kreider isn’t even close to that

Nash involves a huge contract dump

Compare apples to apples and those players mentioned are his comps and none involved a straight up 1 st round pick or a top prospect,</div></div>

To deflate Kreider's value based on those trades in't fair...to say Stone is worthy of a top prospect yet Kreider is worth neither a 1st or top prospect...there is more to it than Stone being a better player than Kreider. First- there were other pieces to that trade. Second, Vegas could stomach the value they gave up because Stone (signed days later) wasn't seen as a rental. As far as the Nash deal- the Rangers did retain salary on Nash- but the money was pretty even for the remainder of that year. I guess the huge cap dump you are talking was taking a few years of Beleskey at 1.9M per...but in this deal there were also other pieces. Spooner had some value (at the time) and the prospect involved wasn't seen as a top prospect- but he was seen as a potential NHL player- who now plays regular NHL minutes after call up this year.

Anyway...back to my earlier question- if not willing to part with top prospects in any deal...what would you offer for Kreider? Or are you just not interested?
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 1 at 3:08
Thread: NYR Up to TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>Make the trade if it’s there but you can’t make up your own market value bc you think a team can afford to give up more. Look at all the recent winger deadline trades. None involve 1st rounders or top prospects. Kane zucc dzingle nquivst. That’s kreider trade comps and teams use those all the time</div></div>

What a team can afford to give up has nothing to do with the market...the only thing that affects the market is what and how many teams are involved. Whether a team can afford to deal a prospect only affects whether that team enters the market...and as far as what the market will bare for a winger....Kane did involve a conditional 1st, Zucc had a condition for an upgrade to a 1st (not met due to an OT loss), Nash deal involved a 1st, and Stone deal involved an elite prospect....so I don't think a 1st in a Kreider deal is outlandish....nor is (2) seconds, or a 2nd and a prospect.,,all depends on who is bidding. Also consider- any value given for Kreider is going to be contingent on whether he is seen as a pure rental or someone they think they can re-sign.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 1 at 2:41
Thread: NYR Up to TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bhavikp27</b></div><div>But Strome has mostly played at C and isn't he better at C than RW? Idk about giving up Heinen+1st.

No thanks, bit too much better deal for NYR than BOS</div></div>

For whatever reason lots of Ranger fans are not enamored by Strome...he played to a 40+ point pace last year...on a terrible team...after he was acquired- but many fans dismiss his production as unsustainable due to shooting %....this year he is on a 75 point pace- yet the same fans dismiss this due to his playing with Panarin...I guess the source of dislike of Strome is the assumption that the Rangers will resign him- and his cap hit and roster spot will block out developing prospects....in any case, since coming to NY- all Strome has done is show he can be a productive player...I think he could be real effective for the Bruins in the 2RW role or 3C/3RW role. And although he has arbitration rights he is RFA this year...so there still is a measure of cost control. The other part of this deal is the cap dump...Backes for Smith (w/retained salary) saves about 3M in cap next year- and Smith should be easy to deal after 7/1 bonus paid because his cap hit will exceed the money owed to him (Ottawa always mentioned as likely to be interested)...The piece Im not too familiar with here is Heinen...I included him because he's listed as a healthy scratch- yet makes 2.8M...if he is that indispensable, another player can be put in his place...the important thing for the Rangers is the late 1st.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 1 at 2:15
Thread: NYR Up to TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>Kreider to the Avs would be a good fit but you are over rating his value. He is producing at a 2nd/3rd line Winger this season.
He wont get Prime young top prospects back. Look at Hayes trade, he got a 4th line winger and a late 1st round pick back, who is a C and was having a career year offensively. In what world does Kreider demand even the same return being only a Winger (who hold the least position value in trades in the league) and is having a down offensive year.

Team wont be shelling out 1st rounders straight up in a strong draft year for him, he hasn't separated himself from other trade deadline options. If they play down to the wire game again like they did with Hayes and Zucc, teams who wanted him will move on to other options</div></div>


Of course we always compare players' value to the values exchanged in previous trades...but in the end what really sets value is what the market will bear- which is a function of where the teams are, injuries, etc. You may be right... maybe he doesn't bring back a 1st...but if a few teams are bidding the cost will go up. As you mention his numbers this year are down- although he has recently picked up play- but CK will improve any teams chances of getting through the list of teams I gave above... and although (as Rangers fans should know) it's not a good idea to sell out your future- COL has such a deep prospect pool it might not hurt to part with one to really go for the CUP...and don't forget: Keane is included here...he has really been coming along at Hartford and could prove to be a valuable NHL player in a year or two.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 1 at 1:46
Thread: NYR Up to TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>Avs didn’t want to give up the 16th overall pick for kreider at the draft. In no way would they trade they guy they used that pick on for kreider as a rental

Avs are not in the business of trading their top prospects for older players or rentals so nothing the rangers would be willing to give up</div></div>

I totally get the Avs position here...In a similar fashion the Rangers have a bunch of prospects they wouldn't move (I hope!!)...but the difference is that COL is a cup contender. If you like your roster as is to go through probably Dallas, St Louis, Vegas, AND either Boston or Washington...then that's fine...but realistically Kreider adds the size, speed, and toughness so needed in the playoffs. I totally respect the idea of not giving up the future...but it can be a difficult balance in going for the cup now versus giving your team several chances down the road...and keep in mind Kreider should have at least 4-5 good seasons left in him.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec 31, 2019 at 8:18
Thread: Major NYR Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>I would rather keep Ceci for this year in hopes of a long playoff run. Despite what you have read on CapFriendly he's been OK and as good as Barrie this season. Skjei, Georgiev, Buch for Nylander and Hutch and let's say prospect. Long Island native RW Bracco. Gee I think that could be a deal from me. (I would have to sold on Skjei). Nylander seems to found his game. But Leafs solidify in two positions defence and goal and lose some on the wing. Nylander might transition to centre if Rangers don't resign Strome. Good thought on Skjei...though many of my Leaf friends who think Nylander is that elite will disagree.</div></div>

Skjei, Buch, and Georgi for Nylander, Hutch, and Bracco...done!...seriously, though- don't think NYR are shopping Skjei right now- but someone (prob ADA at this point) will have to be moved for Cap reasons and to make room for a few promising prospects coming up...Add to that the 2021 Exp Draft and Skjei mod NTC kicking in after this year- and I can't see why the NYR wouldn't at least listen to offers involving him ,

As far as Skjei's value- definitely not as high as it could be- but I would attribute that to the porous D system the team plays- which gives up the Blue Line, allows speedsters (like Nyllander) to set up shop and pin them in their own end, seems to allow cross ice passes, and the result is always a barrage faced by the goalie....several players have struggled in this system after being adequate elsewhere...and several have moved to other teams to flourish (or at least be competent) after struggling here...I think the later would be the case with Skjei- who with his size, skating ability, and talent would fit in nicely as a 2nd pairing LD on a playoff team...and he is under contract 4 more years. So for TOR, the question would include what they are doing with Muzzin beyond this year...but in the immediate a left side featuring Skjei and Muzzin would bring speed and physicality so needed in the playoffs...and if Buch could slide into the top 6...next to Mathews or Tavares- I think you would be surprised at the production you could get out of him.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec 30, 2019 at 11:04
Thread: wilds devils oilers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Paul13</b></div><div>Not really a deal that fits the Wild's needs.</div></div>

Not sure what Minn's thoughts are on Brodin or prospects in their system....don't think the deal is enough going back to Minn anyway since Andersson is essentially worthless right now anyway...I'm guessing though that any deal sending Skjei to Minn would involve Brodin going the other way...or a 3 way with him going somewhere else. Zucker, though, signed 2 more years has considerable value...I would guess that as is Minn would not be interested in this deal...maybe add Buch to the package- with maybe a 3rd coming with Zucker would get their interest...yet I don't think NYR would do that....and Minn would still have to figure out what to do with Brodin- can't see a 4M+ or 5M+ player on their 3rd pair.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec 3, 2019 at 7:26
Thread: NYR TRADES THAT MUST HAPPEN
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kosterjr</b></div><div>Cats not trading Noel, big power forward with skill.....maybe a third or a lower leveled prospect</div></div>

Not familiar with the players in FLA system...but the point is that a team must give to get back...Skjei has had his troubles- but once Ranger management figures out (I have a little faith in JD) that their D players' defensive woes are largely due to the antiquated D system forced upon them...in a real D system, Skjei will become a solid 2nd pair D man....I kmow you can't value him for that right now- but consider that the Ranges gave up a 2nd and a 3rd for Brendan Smith (who was a rental at the time)...so Skjei- a big, smooth skating D, who is signed for several more years- will cost considerably more.