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Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 4:31 p.m.
Thread: Miller trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Burnout</b></div><div>Are you arguing the Rangers return for McDonagh was good? Or just ignoring the part were I said "unless we're talking about a guy with very small cap hit that can fit into a contenders core for multiple cup runs".

I don't know why you think there wouldn't be a bigger market for one of the most productive players in the NHL over the last 3 seasons in the offseason, especially when that guy plays center and can go up against the other times best players consistently. I get that Rangers fans view of Miller may be coloured by his play before he got to Vancouver, but the rest of us aren't. He'd be a 1C upgrade for over two thirds of the league easily. He's not a guy that you bring in to complement a pre-existing contending core, he's a guy you add to a core because you need a high end C to contend and think he's your guy.</div></div>

Nothing to do with how "good" the return was for McD...what I'm saying is that TBL would have had to fork over less if they waited until that upcoming summer...and the 1st round pick + which NJ and SJ got from TBL at that TDL- that return would have been less over that summer.

My reasoning here has nothing to do with negativity towards Miller because he's an ex Ranger. He is a real good player. His career has taken off since he left NY (and TB)...and he is about to become insanely rich for his efforts- and well deserved! My comments are 100% from a standpoint of what I think a typical market will bare. VAN should receive a big return if they move him...but in a usual market (all it does take is 1 team to really change this) the best return would have been at this past TDL

Hey...we're obviously not seeing eye to eye here- nothing wrong with that.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 3:50 p.m.
Thread: Miller trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Burnout</b></div><div>When has that EVER stopped NHL teams before. This is always the case with situations like this. Teams value certainty and flexibility. They have flexibility in the offseason that they don't at the deadline. The deadline is good for selling teams when they're trading pure rentals, teams that are trading guys with a year or two left on their contracts almost always do better in the offseason (unless we're talking about a guy with very small cap hit that can fit into a contenders core for multiple cup runs).</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Burnout</b></div><div>Are you arguing the Rangers return for McDonagh was good? Or just ignoring the part were I said "unless we're talking about a guy with very small cap hit that can fit into a contenders core for multiple cup runs".

I don't know why you think there wouldn't be a bigger market for one of the most productive players in the NHL over the last 3 seasons in the offseason, especially when that guy plays center and can go up against the other times best players consistently. I get that Rangers fans view of Miller may be coloured by his play before he got to Vancouver, but the rest of us aren't. He'd be a 1C upgrade for over two thirds of the league easily. He's not a guy that you bring in to complement a pre-existing contending core, he's a guy you add to a core because you need a high end C to contend and think he's your guy.</div></div>

In May 2022 I certainly acknowledge that TBL won the trade which happened several years back...what I'm saying is that NYR would have received less for McD if they waited till that ensuing summer. And both the Devils and Sharks both would have received less than the 1st rounder +, which they both received if they waited till the summer to move those guys. And I'm not sure who you keep referring to regarding the "small cap hit" quote...when McD was moved his Cap hit was around 5M...don't remember if there was any Cap maneuvering to fit him into TBL...but there are always options- not just in the summer.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 3:20 p.m.
Thread: Miller trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Burnout</b></div><div>When has that EVER stopped NHL teams before. This is always the case with situations like this. Teams value certainty and flexibility. They have flexibility in the offseason that they don't at the deadline. The deadline is good for selling teams when they're trading pure rentals, teams that are trading guys with a year or two left on their contracts almost always do better in the offseason (unless we're talking about a guy with very small cap hit that can fit into a contenders core for multiple cup runs).</div></div>

If what you're saying is true, then why wouldn't NYR waited until the summer to trade Ryan McDonagh? And why would San Jose trade Goodrow at TDL rather than over the summer? And the same with the Devils trading Coleman to Tampa? The answer is simple: because Tampa saw these players as needed for their ensuing playoff push -and beyond- they were willing to pay a premium for each of these guys...a premium which (even with more teams looking to add players over the summer) would not have been needed-thus better for the selling team to do so at TDL. Of course history shows that Tampa absolutely raped NYR with the McD deal- but that's not the point here.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 8:18 a.m.
Thread: Next Year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Igoat_Shesterkin</b></div><div>Before you say it
"Kakko will get an offer sheet"
"Blais will get more"
"Krav isn't coming back"

Cirelli NOT getting an OS 2 years ago shows where NHL organizations are toward offer sheets...not happening with Kakko
Unless Blais returns and produces in playoffs- why would he get more that his qualifying offer?
Krav- NYR need him AND he needs NYR. Drury has made it clear he will not take peanuts for him and holds all the cards into the foreseeable future regarding him playing in NHL...And with the NHL about to finalize their TV deal- a lot more $ will be out there in another year or two...gotta be in it (the NHL) to stake claim to some of that- and with the mid 6 players NYR have- great way for him to enter this league and put up some numbers -to be able to get that money 2-3 years out.</div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GMSat. at 6:20 p.m.
Thread: Shake Up The Lines
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>I personally can’t see how they’ve done well when they get pinned in their end for long periods of time and generate absolutely nothing. The entire top 6 needs to wake up imo, but yeah Panarin has been invisible.</div></div>

Along with 5x5 offense- getting pinned in their own end is another thing they've dealt with all year....when I say they've played well- I've seen "growing up" of LaF, Chytl, Kakko, and Miller. Lindgren is showing lots of heart. Trouba has been effective. In spurts Mika and Kreider have been real good. But let's face it: for this team to advance, the current "formula" requires Shesty to play out of this world. I'm not giving up yet on this team, but as long as they keep things close with CAR- winning a round and keeping things close with a legit Cup contender is a great experience for this group...definitely a different feeling than when they got annihilated by CAR 2 years ago!
Forum: Armchair-GMSat. at 8:20 a.m.
Thread: Shake Up The Lines
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>Yeah that first game was one they needed. They’ve been terrible since the 3rd period of game one. As optimistic as I’d like to be, they need the top guys to step up big time. They can’t expect to win if they generate little to no offense. Of all the teams in the playoffs this year and I’ve seen games from all across the league, they’ve gotta be the worst team at generating offense 5 on 5 (maybe second worse with Dallas). I don’t think McDavid could save them with how mediocre they’ve been 5 on 5 and he’s on legit god mode this playoffs.</div></div>

5 X 5 offense has been an issue all year, and will have to be addressed in the off season. But for now- maybe they get a little O generation if they replace Braun w/ Zac Jones? Or maybe go 11F/ 7D...sitting Reaves?? Without the spark he can contribute (which he hasn't so far) their forwards are essentially a man down with Reaves in the lineup.

But as far as their play is concerned- I think they've played pretty well...much better than they played against PIT. For sure CAR is the better team (I think we all knew that coming into the series)...but NYR seem to be playing much better in front of their net, and losing (2) 1 goal games, the difference has been that they have not taken advantage of the chances they've had. If Kakko hits the open net - they most likely win game 1...and if Strome shoots puck through ADA- last night's game would have a much different feel to it. The only negative I'd dwell on is Panarin's play...unless he wakes up, Drury (of course his hands are tied) might need to rethink about what this team is paying 11 M per for.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20 at 10:45 a.m.
Thread: Whats Nils Value
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>maybe fell out of favor was the wrong phrase, i just meant that he fell down the depth chart and they have nowhere to play him. they seem to prefer schneider, so in the long run nils pretty much has to go.</div></div>

Agree here…funny thing is though- when Fox was 21 (Nils age now)…Nils was seen as having a higher ceiling than Fox. Of course lots has changed since then! Point is that prospects’ development can go through big swings up and down. I wouldn’t give up on Nils- but yeah- does need a place to play. Lots of big decisions coming up for Drury real soon involving several players…will have to see how this affects any “open” roster spots. At some point if he’s not gonna be played they will have to move him…but will not give him away!
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20 at 7:37 a.m.
Thread: Whats Nils Value
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>i think you’d have more luck moving him as part of a package for an established player than for picks. teams don’t generally give up firsts for prospects that fell out of favor with other teams.</div></div>

Not true what you’re saying…absolutely did not fall out of favor with NYR…to be fair- had some struggles to start last year- but keep in mind the adjustment coming from Sweden to North America….and the fact he was partner with Nemeth (who, BTW no Dman has had good numbers with).
Nils didn’t fight going to Hartford and finished strong there. This kid still projects as a top 4 Dman and should have a bright future. His biggest problem is the NYR depth chart…but he’s developing nicely and unless NYR are offered a no brainer type deal- they are best waiting him out….gotta be patient with prospects- especially those who could be studs.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 19 at 3:25 p.m.
Thread: Scheifele
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>The Jets aren't retaining and you need to start with less quantity and more quality.</div></div>

(2) 1st round picks...a real good C prospect (whose stock has jumped since being drafted- to the point where he may nearly be one of NYR's untouchables)...Nils- who everyone loves to devalue- yet still projects as a top 4 Dman, and right handed PP QB. He did have to make the adjustment to North America...his biggest issue is his spot on the depth chart- yet ironically, he's probably better defensively than Trouba and Schneider RIGHT NOW- and will only get better.

In return NYR get a player (who by many accounts) is the epicenter of a lot which really went wrong in Winnipeg last year? And then on top of that- because making this move they have to move on from Copp- who in addition to being a great fit with NYR- also cost 3 valuable assets?

very easy no thanks from NYR
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 18 at 8:21 a.m.
Thread: Hopeful offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Masonh618</b></div><div>Highly doubt Philadelphia would do it, but I could see someone else at the cap floor could say yes.
The Rangers are far more likely to keep Ryan Reaves than to re-sign Frank Vatrano in my eyes -- especially if the plan is to maroon Vatrano down to the third line and separate him from Kreider and Zibanejad.
Kakko will get money in between Chytil and Lindgren
Copp will make $5.5-6M unless you give him an 8 year deal (a la Ryan Nugent-Hopkins)
Blais presumably gets the money from his RFA tender ($1.6M) and Motte will get a similar salary to that.


On the other hand, I could actually see your scenario for Brennan Othmann play out like that, but I believe the maximum games you can play before your contract slides is 10, not 35. As a result, he'd have to go back to the OHL if he doesn't pass the audition.</div></div>

Othmann going to be a tough decision unless he shows in camp he's ready for the huge jump from juniors to NHL. Reality is AHL is probably the best for his development- but 19 YOs can't play in AHL...and he turns 20 in January. And unless they intend to keep him on NYR, his ELC sliding 1 more year could prove significant to their CAP management- but that would mean him playing max 9 games with NYR before being sent back to junior or down to AHL. So I guess it's a matter of what's beneficial to him: back to juniors so he plays heavy minutes start to finish? or stick with the team- probably play a minimal role in 9 spaced out games- all while practicing with the team...then to AHL in January to finish season there with a heavy workload that point and forward.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 17 at 4:34 p.m.
Thread: Rags
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CapsJets</b></div><div>Interesting swap of Eller and Kravstov. I know Caps fans like myself are ready to ship Eller away for next to nothing, so how com Rangers fans are so down on Kravtsov? He's still very young.

Also, the move with the Jets is very interesting, but I still wonder if that gets it done for the Rangers. As a Jets fan, maybe I'm slightly bias and over value Schiefele a bit, but I wonder if the Jets even listen to offers that don't start with "Lafreniere"</div></div>

Kravtsov made his own bed...twice he has taken his ball and gone home after being left off the roster out of camp. To be fair- he did have SOME reason to be pissed...one year he was odd man out while B. Smith was kept as a hybrid wing/D...and the next time he was left off because they didn't want to waive Libor Hajek. But keep in mind- he got injured in camp last year following taking the NYR training staff to task (during 20/21 exit interview) regarding off season training. If the kid went with the program, and then worked his a$$ off in Hartford- he'd probably be 1 or 2 RW right now!

It remains to be seen what happens from here. Word is he has plans to be in NY this summer to train...don't know if that's a sincere effort to get back with team or to "show" a little maturity so that he regains some value so that they can trade him by the draft. Drury does keep info close to the vest...and it appears at this point that he will not sell low on Krav. And not sure what the players think of him...if any venom towards him, I doubt he'll ever wear a NYR sweater. But if the players like him (or at least indifferent), I would give equal chances to 1) Playing with NYR next year 2) Starting year in Hartford (would really show a change of heart on his part) 3) Getting traded by the draft 4) Remaining property of NYR- but continue playing in Russia.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 17 at 11:40 a.m.
Thread: extensions
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oliver_wahlstrom</b></div><div>Kakko could easily sign an offersheet for like 4.2 somewhere else for 3 years and put the rangers in a bad situation. Gonna have to up the offer</div></div>

NYR would match any offer up to 6.16 M per....realistically I can't see any team offering the upper end of that Comp tier- except on a 1 year deal (like CAR did)....in any case, NYR would match. Of course they would have to make a move or two elsewhere (which they weren't planning to make)- but they would do what they have to do to keep Kakko if the compensation is a 1st, and 3rd (or less). Beyond 6.16 per, they would consider the compensation. You do have to realize, though that OS's are not common- even though there are very vulnerable teams every year. GMs seem to be in a "club"- so they don't look to play dirty. But hey- if any team wants to "poke the bear", what comes around goes around- and NYR CAP situation is temporary...yet the NYR ownership has very deep pockets.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 16 at 10:13 a.m.
Thread: chytil is the 2c of the future
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>He asked for a trade and didn't get moved. Honestly, I expect very little from him, but if the Sabres get a solid vet to play 40-50 games, and they are willing to let a scratch and dent goalie like georgiev compete with upl, I can see at least some interest. But that's meeting the op more than halfway, I'm saying if things line up, maybe we can get him for damn near free and see what our goalie coach can do with him. Nobody is suggesting that a second round pick is remotely on the table for him.</div></div>

NYR really don't have too much leverage here...if they offer QO, they may be on the hook for more than 1M more than they want to pay a b/u G next year...if they don't offer QO, he goes UFA. So depending what the market is for a 1A/1B type goalie- who is coming off a shaky year- NYR realistically stand to get less than anticipated a year ago. A 2nd is just not happening...my guess is a deal similar to Nedeljkovic- maybe a bit better/maybe not as good.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 14 at 11:21 p.m.
Thread: First round exit
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Burnout</b></div><div>I also don't see why Vancouver would have any interest in Ceci or why Seattle would want Barrie. And why are Keith and Smith retiring?

The Miller one is actually the closest to making sense, as the Rangers desperately need a play-driving RWer and have a ton of young D. I doubt Miller would be the guy they move though.</div></div>

For sure NYR are light at RW at the moment....but can't see Miller moved with the purpose of addressing this. Doesn't mean I can't see him being moved- but KA Miller being moved would have more to do with CAP implications than plugging a hole anywhere on the roster (unless a young C with a high ceiling becomes available). Bunch of guys will be coming off ELCs same time as him. Miller is a heck of a player- shifted to D from F just a few years ago...so still learning a lot about how to play D- and learning at NHL level while not being a liability. Very athletic- has a long ramp in front...do wish h had a little more of a nasty streak though!
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