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Joe_La_Garnotte

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Forum: NHL SigningsAug. 28, 2021 at 8:09 p.m.
Thread: Carolina Hurricanes signed Jesperi Kotkaniemi (1 Year / $6,100,035 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kotkaniemi15</b></div><div>Well this is really bad for Montréal. This season is fine enough, since there’s not a problem until Byron gets back, where we might need to waive a few people. Now since he has a $6.1 million QO next year, the habs are so screwed cap wise. They need to sign Suzuki and Kotkaniemi for likely $13 million or so combined, with only Ben Chiarot’s contract coming off the books.

But obviously given that the offer sheet happened, it’s a no-brainer to match it for the habs. It’s just unfortunate that our team will be messed up so much because of Bergevin’s naïveté in thinking that the Canes wouldn’t match Aho’s offer sheet.

For Jesperi, this is phenomenal. He’ll likely end up making $7.5 million more or so than he would have over the next 2 years.</div></div>

He was naive thinking they wouldn't match and naive thinking they wouldn't seek revenge
Forum: NHL SigningsAug. 10, 2021 at 7:55 p.m.
Thread: Detroit Red Wings signed Jakub Vrána (3 Years / $5,250,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>Tell that to all those other RFA guys who signed big deals. In general that is a nothing argument. Neither Pasta nor Jake were worried about Arbitration when signing their deals.

You can say Pasta was 3 years prior to the flat cap, and Jake 2.
But that isn't really saying much either as both those players were far younger than Vrana when signing those deals. In other words, their trajectory was much higher given their accomplishments. So those things really cancel out.
Most people know by 24-25 what you got in a guy. Usually they are peeking shortly after that.
So you got a guy here, who is 25, and we know what we got. It's not on the level. You can run the numbers of what Jake or Pasta did at 25 in comparison.
But they are paying him slightly under them. That doesn't fit right. This is roughly 1 mil to high.
Best one could say is DET tax, but why should DET pay that on a RFA. They shouldn't.
They just forked over 5+ on a mid 20 goal guy. If you don't get how that's too much I don't know what to say.
This is a piece player they dished out center piece money too. That's a mistake.</div></div>

When Pasta signed that deal, he had only one good season there is a risk he couldn't do it again ! We'll see how it falls out but for now votes are 66-7
Forum: NHL SigningsAug. 10, 2021 at 2:16 p.m.
Thread: Detroit Red Wings signed Jakub Vrána (3 Years / $5,250,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>how does this "walk" him to FA, you become a FA at 27.

I think this is high. I like the player, I think it was a huge mistake for WSH to let him go for Mantha. But I think this is high. I would have figured 4-4.5 range. He took all he could get and DET gave it to him. He's a mid 20 goals guy. That might tick up on a bad team like DET because someone has to score. But he is what he is.
He got paid just under what guys like Pasta and Jake got paid, in a flat cap world. I don't think that's right. He's not on their level.</div></div>

Pasta ___________________ VS Vrana
Contract
Year 1 RFA no arb________RFA arb right
Year 2 RFA arb right______RFA arb right
Year 3 RFA arb right______UFA
Year 4 RFA arb right
Year 5 UFA
Year 6 UFA

Pasta has 4 RFA year, one with no arbitration rights, it brings the average down