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Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsMar. 6 at 2:56 p.m.
Thread: 50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Might not even be a retention move now that I really think of it. TOR might just send Brodie the other way as part of it to make it work if they serious on adding and cant get ret in place

This is why I said they being quiet. This could be a very complex deal with a lot of risk for either side

But we have seen teams retain on long term before

NSH did it with Ekholm and we did it with Kessel. Gonna be interesting</div></div>

I've voiced my concerns with Toronto moving Brodie a few times in the past. Just from a human point of view, I don't see Brad approaching him for his waiver/no-trade list given what's going on in his personal life.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 6 at 11:12 a.m.
Thread: Most ideal deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CoryTheGreat</b></div><div>Yeah im sorry but you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think STL management takes that and runs</div></div>

I don't agree.

a) Brodie has little value to them as an expiring UFA...he's clearly tossed in there for cap ballast...plus it's unlikely he'd waive to go to St. Louis
b) Robertson doesn't have much value, himself. 3rd rounder at best I'd say
c) There's too much term left to expect salary retention without having to pay a pretty high premium for it

For St. Louis to bit on a Parayko trade, I think there would need to be 0 retention, and they'd have to basically commit to a re-build (which there's no signs that they're there yet).

If they do go full rebuild mode....then a 1st, prospect (minten) and young roster player (robertson?) isn't a bad starting point as that is the standard asking price for most upper-tier players on expiring deals at the deadline...but it's far from a slam-dunk/easy accept from St. Louis.

Rielly is a very good comparable...if the leafs missed the playoffs what would you want to receive for him in a trade? Would you retain for so many years? Would you be willing to even consider any trade for him if the team wasn't blowing things up? I wouldn't.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsMar. 6 at 10:54 a.m.
Thread: 50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Saw it trending my twitter so will give my 2 cents on it

If the Leafs do decide to trade for Parayko then Im only okay with it...IF STL retain 2m so that hes 4.5m. That is more reasonable and u can then pair him with McCabe or Rielly. That said NTU to sending Minten or Cowen in that deal

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It's so hard for me to see a Parayko trade happen without some major philosophical shift in St. Louis.

I try and liken it to...if the Leafs missed the playoffs and were looking to re-tool...what would we expect to receive for Rielly? No chance we would want to retain any salary for the length of his deal. No chance we would want to take a 1st and b-list prospects. He's worth more to the locker room than to accept a crap trade.

Same goes for Parayko. A lot of money and a lot of term left on his deal...but he's still their #1 guy and a leader in the locker room. Unless St. Louis goes full blown re-build...a team is going to have to pony up real assets for him and likely take the full salary....and that's likely too risky a deal for most teams who can't afford to have a bad contract on the books if it doesn't work out
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsMar. 6 at 10:40 a.m.
Thread: 50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Trying to think of a TDL package where we can bring in a B6 forward who can kill penalties but still also be useful offensively and a RD with term to play with Brodie and push Liligren down


So far I have Dowd + Jensen (ret) but I feel we could do better besides Dowd</div></div>

Still uncertain which direction Philly will go...but a Walker + Hathaway or Poehling would satisfy both. I could stomach giving up a first if we're doing a RD + bottom 6 and, ideally, one of them has a little bit of term.

I can also see them trying to get Dumba on the cheap and maybe get another forward in the deal although that would be much less impactful, IMO
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsMar. 3 at 12:12 p.m.
Thread: 50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Funniest thing I have seen is whenever I talk about the NOV blockbuster that failed due to CGY being silly people going oh Leafs would not have beat the return CGY got for Tanev + Zadorov....


They do know a 1st at min would have went back right which beats out a 2nd + 3rd + 5th (yes CGY has another conditional 3rd but its chances be low due to all the other good teams)</div></div>

I recall Friedman saying (I think it was just before or just after the Zadorov deal)...that Leafs and Calgary had a deal in place for both guys...and had agreed on a value...but hadn't agreed on the value of Calgary retaining on both and that they made the Vancouver deal because they preferred not to retain.

I think the storyline that Calgary doesn't want to deal with Toronto is being ridden a little too hard. I'm sure there's a little bit of that element there...or knowing how much the other guy wants your player so you drive the bargain harder than maybe you otherwise would...but I don't buy that they were happy taking less from anyone but Toronto
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 29 at 11:03 p.m.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 28 at 9:17 a.m.
Thread: 50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Just spitballing imagine a 2 step plan to improve the blue line like this

1. Trade for Rasmus Andersson or Adam Larsson (in this case would need it to be Andersson and you will see why).

Rielly-Liligren (fill in temporary could probs get the job done)
Brodie-Andersson
Benoit-McCabe

Then in the summer and this is where step II comes in go get either Roy or Demelo this FA.

Rielly-Demelo/Roy
McCabe-Andersson
Benoit-Liligren

Thats a pretty nice Dcore right there


You make a trade now for someone with term but then in the summer go get the other piece needed to make something even better.</div></div>

I'd expect this to pretty much be the exact strategy. Not necessarily these players...but pick up a RD with at least some term (or who you intend to extend) at this deadline and then add another in free agency with extensions for Lilly and Benoit
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 23 at 5:14 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>So here's the puzzle we need to solve

Per Friedman

Leafs are eying a top 4 right shot Dman: So based on that rules out Hanifin and Chycrun (Chycrun can play right though but u get it)

Leafs dont want to trade their 1st for a rental: So unless he comes with an extension rules out Tanev

Well this be my guess


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HM: Parayko (blues ret 1.5m), Nick Jensen, Dante Fabbro</div></div>

This is the time of year when every GM says what they "don't" want to trade away. And I'm sure it's true...it just means the value has to be there in order for them to move off that stance.

D that can play the right side and a PKing bottom 6 forward appears to be the wish list.

If we could attached a Poehling or Hathaway to a Walker or Seeler from Philly we'd be walking away with two of the leagues top PKers which would be worth moving the 1st + for.

For me...gotta plug 2 holes (with at least one of those pieces not on an expiring deal) if a first is going the other way.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 23 at 1:39 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Keefe along with the team seem to have woke up after what Rielly did. He finally made some adjustments and they worked. As man it was looking ugly for a while and some of those losses u could kind of point to him for not adjusting or calming his team

Like the one sour game hes got out of the 6 is PHI where they blew a 3-1 lead

But the ARI game was good for him as notice when ARI was getting a bit to strong momentum wise he called a time out to settle things down and it kind of worked. Then whatever he said in the intermission also worked

Then against VGK almost the same but no need for a timeout. Team responded well

Now keep going</div></div>

I think the flu bug hitting a few key guys gave him the excuse to move guys (ahem...JT)...out of his regular spot in the lineup and it's worked out well spreading some skill around.

That and getting competent goaltending while Matthews goes on a ridiculous scoring spree helps make everything look a little rosier.

I still think we're better off if we just find a Schenn/Lybushkin type partner for Rielly and a PK'ing bottom 6 forward...all without using our 1st our key prospects. Modestly enhance without any type of "all in".