Jun 1, 2017
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Strongly disagree. Sam Bennett is a young and talented NHLer, who has demonstrated he belongs in the NHL, can fill a bottom six roll and occasionally play up the lineup. Teams have certainly payed a lot more for less. I will gladly accept that a different price may be warranted, but saying he is barely worth a 4th is incorrect.
Ottawa, and Montreal for that matter, have lots of picks, and some of those picks are going to need to be cashed in for players. A young player that can be given opportunities to demonstrate some value, but can also easily be moved around the lineup, has a lot of value. Look at Curtis Lazar, for example. Couldn't stick in the NHL, went for a second, based on pedigree and a change in scenery. Bennett has more pedigree and has performed enough to know he will be an NHLer. That has value.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DerpNation</b></div><div>I like the train of thought. Chucky at 7.5 for 6 years seems unlikely though. Still think he gets 7.95 over 5 years</div></div>
7.5 is my accounting for his salary being 6.75 mil a year for the first three years (no one makes more than Gio!). In the following years, it spikes to 8.25 a year. Its also in Tkachuk's best interest to have the last year be worth the most money, as he would have one year before UFA, his arbitration and qualifying would be based off his last year. So a contract structure of 6.75, 6.75, 6.75, 7.25, 7.75, 9.75 would have some appeal to both sides. If he ends up at 7.95 over five, he still has two years of RFA with the Flames, something he would probably want to avoid - either a deal right to free agency, a deal one year short, or a max term deal seem more likely than a four or five year deal that lands him in another negotiation.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CN10</b></div><div>Just wondering why you bought out Stone in this scenario as by moving Bennett, Frolik, and Brodie and only getting Zucker back now you have more than enough space to have him munch popcorn all year instead of Schlemko or even play right side on the bottom pairing if Kylington struggles on his offhand side.</div></div>
That's a fair question. Essentially, it comes down to cap space and using assets. Buying out Stone and moving those three creates 11 million in space, Zucker, Brassard and Shlemko cost 8. The 3 million in added space is to make sure if there are injuries, there is room to call guys up, it allows cap space to accumulate all year to make moves at the deadline if necessary, and clears a roster spot - sending Schlemko to the A, and bringing up a deserving player or a waiver pick up is easier than demoting a well liked veteran at this stage of his career. But not buying him out would make sense as well, it just changes the corresponding moves.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claebom</b></div><div>The Sens don't need help spending to the cap floor though. They're expected to be over it for next year thanks to the MacArthur and Gaborik contracts and having guys like Ceci and White they need to re-sign. There's no need to go out and get an aging defender when they already have a clogged blueline with youth they'd rather put in. Chabot, Jaros, Wolanin, and DeMelo are all equal to or better than Stone, and Brannstrom, Lajoie and Harpur are not far behind him but have more upside. Plus Boro and Ceci who management are obsessed with. There's no gain from a serviceable bottom pairing D like Stone. For that reason, he is a pure cap dump to a team like the Sens. He's not filling any hole that they need filled; he's clogging up a spot and he's only saving Calgary cap.
You're right, the 2nd rounder is very fair. That's definitely what I'd expect a guy like Jankowski to go for. We're talking about a team that just finished the first year of their rebuild though. They aren't seeking unproven 24 year olds for draft picks in the top two rounds, they're seeking unproven 21 year olds or 23 year olds they can get for free. I'd say Jankowski is much like Duclair, who they got as a toss in in a Dzingel trade. They didn't give up a solid pick for him. So yes, the trade itself is fair when it comes to value. I just don't see it being a move the Sens would make.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claebom</b></div><div>I still don't see the Sens making a trade like that. Again, Stone is a cap dump. Upgrading a 6th to a 5th is not common compensation for a cap dump. Bickell, Hossa, Datsyuk, while they were mostly injury-based, came with Teravainen, Hinostroza/Oesterle, and a +4 on their 1st round pick along with a second, respectively. So while Stone is still capable of playing hockey, there's no incentive whatsoever for the Sens to make that trade. They theoretically barely move up (Ottawa's 6th is #1 in that round, Calgary's is midway through the 5th) on an inconsequential pick (that then gets cancelled by giving up their own which is also going to be #1 in the round) but have to take on a large cap hit for the year? Not really any draw to that. I don't see much of a problem with the 2nd and Jankowski part of the trade (although I'd imagine Ottawa probably holds on to that pick or looks for something more exciting than Jankowski), just that there's absolutely no point to the Stone side of things.</div></div>
My argument for the move is two fold - Stone is still a serviceable NHL defenceman, but the Flames have too many of them. He is not a 'pure cap dump' to a team like Ottawa that is going to need to spend to get to the cap floor. He also only has the contract for one year, so its not a four or five or six year cap dump. Those are the scary ones. One year, a player to fill a hole they need filled, its not a typical cap dump. He isn't going to be part of any solutions, but he isn't going to be a problem, either. He helps for one year, and then he moves on.
I don't know what kind of bigger fish Ottawa hopes to get for that second. Maybe something though. Who typically goes for a second round pick? Reclamation projects, or depth players that are inconsistent but a team has a roster spot for. Marcus Johansson for a 2nd and a 4th (UFA), Gustav Nyquist for a 2nd and a conditional 3rd (UFA), Zuccarello for a 2nd and a 3rd (UFA). For a 24 year old with term, a second rounder seems pretty fair.