Jun. 9, 2021
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles5513</b></div><div>Did Leafs fans and Canadians fans make some sort of unholy pact to pretend their cap dumps are actually good players? New Jersey doesn’t want Muzzin! Nobody wants Muzzin! What is hard to understand about this?</div></div>
While I understand that he is not necessarily a fit for NJ, saying that Muzzin isn't good and nobody wants him is just pure wrong. If you saw him in the playoffs you would understand that he is still very much a competent defenseman and is not a cap dump. Yes, injuries were a problem last year, which is one of the reasons he was not very good, but he was also playing with Justin Holl a lot, which did not help his case either.
This is where the media attention really bites the Leafs in the ass, because if he wasn't a Leaf, he'd definitely not be as hated by fans of other teams.
If he is traded, will they get much back? No. The NTC and his age/health concerns do affect that. I could see a 4th, but not much else. However, there are young teams out there who could use a guy like him the next two years to be a leader to their core, as well as be a cost-efficient option to do so (Only $6M owed). There could also be a third team that retains some, and then his value skyrockets because he is not actually awful, he just had a season filled with injuries that scare people when they see his age.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Copenhagen</b></div><div>So Oilers should get Holl and be in the same situation as Sandin with Broberg. Makes sense. Holl is terrible anyway and should be in the AHL like I said.
Edmonton has 60k free space, so not sure where all this money is coming from?
Here are JP's numbers. Why would Oilers want to get rid of him unless he wants to go?
Sorry you are all about the points and not analytics.
Here are some more of his underlying numbers, and how they rank among the aforementioned 171 players:
CF/60 – 1st
CA/60 – 29th
SCF/60 – 23rd
SCA/60 – 128th
GF/60 – 55th
GA/60 – 9th
xGF/60 – 5th
xGA/60 – 69th
I hope you see why we want to keep him and not give him away for a UFA in 1 (ONE) year???
I feel like it's very obvious that EDM has been trying to move Puljujärvi, and he wants out. I haven't really paid TOO much attention to EDM and their games, but it seems like fans are 50/50 on him being moved, and the team itself has already sort of moved on. It believe I have also seen that EDM is disappointed in the lack of interest for Puljujärvi, so it's not like the price will be astronomically high.
And again, Holl isn't an AHL defenseman, he improved towards the end of the year and was actually pretty damn good in the playoffs, it just seems that Leafs fans (somewhatmmyself included) have moved on. Even the past 2 years before this one, he was pretty good as a shutdown guy with Muzzin, who could also take some credit for how bad Holl looked this year.
I actually agree with your stance on not trading him, but I think if he were, this would be a decent starting point at the very least.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Copenhagen</b></div><div>JP was hurt the whole 2nd half of last year. Do you need me to post his analytics for you?
And Holl is an AHL d-man that takes up cap space..
You should keep Kerfoot if he is that good. In fact all you leafs fans should stop trying to dump him and the other 2 players.
Oilers have what 60K in cap space and nobody wants Foggle.</div></div>
They aren't being "dumped" because they are bad, they are because they don't really have a place on the team anymore. EDM has more money to spend across their team than TOR because they have better contracts than the Leafs.
Muzzin's $5.6M won't do well, especially when we have Sandin ready to take his spot. Holl doesn't really have chemistry with this team anymore, but he would still be decent in bottom-4 shutdown minutes. You guys already have Nurse and Bouchard, so you don't need Barrie anymore, especially when he doesn't provide anything defensively. Holl is cheap, and with what RHD have been going for (Jones, Gudbranson, etc.), this great value. Also, Kerfoot isn't being shopped around because he is bad, he is because he is making a bit too much against the cap and we can find similar production elsewhere (Puljujärvi). While Kerfoot may not have much of a shot, he is coming off of a career year where he had 50 points, played both centre and the wing, and was a VERY good asset on one of the league's top penalty kill units. He will be a great fit with EDM in a top-9 role, and he makes everyone he plays with better.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kster34</b></div><div>I don’t get the obsession on 3rd vs 4th lines ; best case (like the Leafs & Oilers) top 2 lines carry the offense (some teams have better versions than others). 3rd and 4th are equal imo - one more defensive, hard to play against and one more offensive / energy but they both get the same # minutes, so Kampf line more defensive and Gaudette (other?) line more energy</div></div>
Keefe normally plays the 4th line under 10 minutes, with the 3rd being around 12-13, depending on the situations. Obviously, Kampf is going to be playing the bulk of the PK and shutdown minutes, but he is not the guy you want starting on their side of the red line. Engvall-Kampf-Kube is the perfect 4th line because while they are great in their own end, they will run the opponents crazy in their's, and they will get not-so-pretty "playoff style" goals because of it. Also, if the 3rd line is more of a scoring threat, then we won't have to rely on the top-6 to do all of the scoring, which is what has been the downfall of the Leafs in the playoffs the past few years. Even this year, the only goals from the bottom-6 off the top of my head were from Kampf (2), Mikheyev (2 EN), and Spezza (1).
Not to mention when EDM was relying only on their top guys this year, they sucked and Tippett got fired.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeoZei</b></div><div>That sounds better</div></div>
The thing is I doubt Dubas makes a deal for a top-6 guy. If Keefe wants to keep playing Kampf as 3C, then that means Engvall and Jarnkrok are his linemates by default, pretty much locking up the top-9. Ideally, the 4th line is Engvall-Kampf-Aube-Kubel, letting the 3rd line be more of a scoring threat and creating another spot for a guy like Puljujärvi. However, then 3C is a bit sketchy, especially if they view Jarnkrok as a winger, which is fine, but he has shown he is a decent centre. We'll have to see I guess, but ideally we can get a lefty that can use his body and take draws decently well (Donato, Frederic, Eller with retention, etc.), but there aren't many options left.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HeroStuff</b></div><div>I like the explanations and your right about the depth scoring, I think the contracts are inaccurate tho, I would expect Strome to be more likely to get a 1 year deal for cheaper, and pulujarvi likely on a shorter term deal as well. Both would be useful adds.
Disagree that Miller would be the type of guy the leafs would look to if they trade Muzzin they'd probably want someone who could replace a bit of his shutdown or physical capabilities.
The goaltending is really the one that I disagree with. Platoon is too risky, especially after seeing what happened last season. They need to get a starter who can play 50 games. If you bridge Sandin for two years, and give shorter term contracts for pulujarvi and Strome, you could afford a actual #1</div></div>
My only thing is Lankinen and Comrie have shown glimpses of being a #1 goalie. They're relatively young (Lank 27, Comrie 26) and at least to start the season, they could be good options. If there is an obvious need after a few months, then a trade can be made.
Also, I think that signing Strome and Puljujärvi to multiple years can prove beneficial for both of them, as I can't see them making much more in the future. This also gives the Leafs security going forward, not having to worry about resigning them along with the core 4.