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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 15, 2017 at 2:35 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 15, 2017 at 1:32 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AK_tune</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MG1986</b></div><div>

So who are your top-5 defensemen league-wide? Would you do Parayko for Nylander straighty up? What's your comparison of Parayko v. Doughty?</div></div>

The Blues are very, very high on Parayko. To compare him to Doughty is difficult, they are different players. I see Parayko as a Pronger-type D-man. Doughty compares more to Pietrangelo.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MG1986</b></div><div>I'm loving the back and forth on this. I'd love to hear from some Blues fans about how they compare Colton Parayko to Drew Doughty, As, it had been proposed, a few different times, by a couple media personnel, that a 1-for-1 deal of Parayko for Nylander would be fair value and a deal that could happen over the summer.</div></div>

I can't speak for all Blues fans, but I don't see how trading him makes any sense unless it's for a proven 1C. Our RD depth is just too weak without him. If we would've extended Shattenkirk, this would be totally different, but we have our long-term plan on defense locked in. I like Nylander, and I think he can sustain his rookie numbers, but I'm not sure if he'll advance by moving to center, and personally I think Parayko could draw a more talented player.</div></div>

I've enjoyed watching Parayko when I see the Blues play (admittedly little). Bias aside, if possible, do you think he can or will be as good as Doughty?
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 15, 2017 at 1:18 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MG1986</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingsFan77</b></div><div>Kings are getting robbed blind here. Quick summary before the rest: Kings aren't dumb enough to allow the Leafs to dump 6mil in cap hit, a 33 and 31 year old, and only 2 intriguing players for Doughty.

If Kings are ever going to get rid of Doughty (heaven forbid that thought), good luck getting any trade for arguably the best defenseman in the league to not include at least 1 first round pick, if not 2 or 3, along with everything else you said. Kings are going to be deciding to do a full-on rebuild if they ever get rid of Doughty and will want picks and the best prospects/early career players.

Kings will have absolutely NO interest in a 33 year old Lupul, for the same reasons as what I just said. Re-build. That doesn't take into account his massive cap hit, when we already have two boat anchor contracts. Toronto will not be able to dump cap space for Doughty to the Kings. They have to find another team for him.

Fehr is almost the exact same thing as Lupul. Kings won't want to pay 2mil for a 31 year old rental. Players to include in the trade will be young guys that the Kings will not have to worry about going UFA, that they can control, or players that have length on an affordable contract but aren't too old. Think Nylander/Marner for the first section, Kadri for the second. Not saying the trade will have to include all of them, just those are the types Toronto will need to offer.

Connor would bring some interest. Kings need a RHD that's young, especially without Doughty.

That being said, I can hope Doughty will only ever leave the Kings over Rob Blake's dead body. Along with probably most of the LA fanbase's bodies as well.</div></div>

Unfortunately, if things don't change (upgrades made) in LA and they miss the playoffs the next 2 seasons, Doughty is as good as gone.</div></div>

You can't just say things won't change though, because things are already drastically changing for the Kings. Any superstar will leave if their team doesn't change, that's such a broad statement. You also don't address any of what people (including me) are saying about how off your trade is. Nylander for Doughty would never go 1 for 1 even if the caps were exactly the same. Nylander MIGHT be a great player. He has no Olympic experience, a single playoff series of experience where he had a mediocre debut, and one season of experience overall. Doughty already is an ALL-WORLD player, multiple Olympic golds, Stanley Cups, a Norris winner, and a few Norris runner-ups.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 15, 2017 at 12:59 p.m.
Kings are getting robbed blind here. Quick summary before the rest: Kings aren't dumb enough to allow the Leafs to dump 6mil in cap hit, a 33 and 31 year old, and only 2 intriguing players for Doughty.

If Kings are ever going to get rid of Doughty (heaven forbid that thought), good luck getting any trade for arguably the best defenseman in the league to not include at least 1 first round pick, if not 2 or 3, along with everything else you said. Kings are going to be deciding to do a full-on rebuild if they ever get rid of Doughty and will want picks and the best prospects/early career players.

Kings will have absolutely NO interest in a 33 year old Lupul, for the same reasons as what I just said. Re-build. That doesn't take into account his massive cap hit, when we already have two boat anchor contracts. Toronto will not be able to dump cap space for Doughty to the Kings. They have to find another team for him.

Fehr is almost the exact same thing as Lupul. Kings won't want to pay 2mil for a 31 year old rental. Players to include in the trade will be young guys that the Kings will not have to worry about going UFA, that they can control, or players that have length on an affordable contract but aren't too old. Think Nylander/Marner for the first section, Kadri for the second. Not saying the trade will have to include all of them, just those are the types Toronto will need to offer.

Connor would bring some interest. Kings need a RHD that's young, especially without Doughty.

That being said, I can hope Doughty will only ever leave the Kings over Rob Blake's dead body. Along with probably most of the LA fanbase's bodies as well.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 14, 2017 at 1:34 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingsGKG</b></div><div>Couple of points.

I would like Vegas to take Clifford, but not going to give up a 3rd round to do it. Just let them take Lewis or McNabb

On the Drouin trade: Again, I think you are giving up too much. Muzzin and a 4th for Drouin might work. I personally like them getting Muzzin for Tyler Johnson straight up.

If we get Drouin, we need to lock him up for longer than 2 years. 4/5 years @ 4-5m

Also. I doubt they bring Justin back. I just think they are looking to get a little more athletic on the wings. If JW does come back, it will be a 2yr deal</div></div>

With regards to your first point, I'd give up a 3rd to make sure they don't pickup McNabb. Lewis, I'd let them take grudgingly. But having McNabb as a 6/7 defenseman allows us to make the trade for Drouin/Johnson/Kane (ugh, I hope not). My point remains, we need McNabb to have the defensive depth to trade Muzzin or Martinez. That's worth the 3rd round pick as compensation to take Cliffy.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kingsfaninSD</b></div><div>Williams is not coming back. LaDue will not be taking a payout and he needs longer than 2 years. In your scenario we only have 2 D under contract in two years</div></div>

LaDue isn't going to get more than 900k-1.2mil/year for 2-3 years. He hasn't earned it yet, and has absolutely no leverage with the team. He's going to be a good player, but he's not a Doughty-lite with that kind of sway over his pay. And he'll be looking to get that first big contract sooner rather than later, so he won't sign for a long-term.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 8, 2017 at 2:50 p.m.
Thread: Jeff Carter
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Schlegel</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingsFan77</b></div><div>As a Kings fan, I'm having trouble finding where to start picking this apart.

I guess I'll start with the picks. Your draft picks (even though 1st round) are hardly worth anything, due to you possibly winning the Cup. #30 in a weak draft isn't going to get you much, neither is a probable #25-30 pick in 2018.

Kings don't need defense, especially not a guy in Pouliot who hasn't even made it past 34 games in a single season without being sent down. And that number has gone shockingly down each year for two years, for a guy who is supposed to be developing.

Who the heck is Sunqvist? That's all I need to say about that, not to mention his position and probable slotting position in the lineup.

And finally, the Kings aren't in a rebuild, so at the moment Carts is going no where. If things look bleak at the trade deadline then his name will come up.</div></div>

Kings aren't in a rebuild but looking at their position as other teams improve rapidly in the West, they should probably be retooling. Two firsts and two solid prospects are fair value for Carter looking at what he's gone for in the past, regardless of your assessment of Pouliot/Sundqvist (Pouliot is worth at least a second even as he's been a bust thus far). I doubt you knew who Guentzel was before this season either, but that seems to have worked quite well for the Pens. Sundqvist is currently our top C prospect, projecting as a 3C and can probably pass as a 4C in the NHL right now.</div></div>

Regardless, the Kings have a glut of 3 and 4C guys in the system right now. It's simply not what they are looking for. I 100% agree the Kings need to be retooling, but any trade the Kings do to accomplish that needs to be from their back-end. Not from the only consistent scoring they had last season. And they need a top 6 wing, not a bottom 6 center, nor a "bust thus far" defenseman. We have tons of great defensive prospects ready to make the jump to the NHL in Gravel, LaDue, Forbort (who was amazing with Doughty last season), and more in the AHL who are only a year or two away, like MacDermid, Clague, and Reddekop, to name a few. In addition, we signed the question mark Fantenberg who could end up as a 3rd pair defenseman.

You're right, I hadn't heard of Guentzel before the season. I'm jealous you guys had a guy just show up like that out of the woodworks. It's probably in large part having to do with being able to play consistently with Crosby, which is any players dream job. Even so, a single diamond-in-the-rough prospect doesn't mean another will suddenly become that. Not to mention the system shift in going from the run-and-gun Pittsburgh style to the grind-it-down style in LA. Even if Stevens (the new head coach) does attempt to open up the Kings system, it won't be a complete about-face. Granted, Sunqvist does have the size that appeals to the Kings. I just don't think there is any way that's who they take a flyer on, considering their needs.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 8, 2017 at 2:28 p.m.
Thread: Jeff Carter
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 8, 2017 at 2:21 p.m.
Thread: Jeff Carter
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