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Feb 7, 2020
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>reelkena</b></div><div>I will give you the short version. Then one with info.
The short version is, if you looked up defensive liability in the dictionary, you wouldn't see Risto's picture. Because he missed picture day just like he misses every puck.
The longer version is, + - is a weird stat. People think it's dumb because they don't know how it works. How it does work is comparing people on the same team, in the same system with the same win/loss ratio, team goals against, etc.
Risto is a -145 in 500 games
Montour +9 in 75 games (small sample, probably disregard)
Dahlin is a -20 in 150 games on pace for about -65 in 500 games. Dahlin is a better defensemen, nobody is saying Risto is bad because he's not Dahlin. But you don't know how hard it is to be more than twice as bad defensively in a real sample on the same team. (the teams before Dahlin got there are comparable)
McCabe is a -30 in 340 games on pace for a -45. This is the best comparable. Risto lets teams score 3 times as many goals more than the team scores than Jake McCabe, on the same team, in the same system. Risto plays more minutes, which does matter and Risto gets more points, which does matter but in all calculated stats McCabe would be a much better get for any team. He's also making half as much. And there is no way you're trading 4 pieces for Jake McCabe. So now tell me how much you love Risto.</div></div>
Personally, I only look at +- if it's a major outlier. Like -165 in 500 games.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheNorthStar</b></div><div>Ok I know that at first glance, it seems like the Canucks are giving up too much. But think of it this way, 11 million cap space for 2 YEARS for the Canucks. You could sign Quinn Hughes and Elias Petterson to bridge deals with that money. Erne and the 5th probably won't become anything, but the red wings have to give something. Meanwhile, the red wings get to the cap minimum (Yzerman said he wasn't going to sign any big name free agents, so he has to get to the cap floor) and get a top prospect (Podkolzin), a first (assuming the Canucks get into the playoffs), a 2nd rounder, and baertschi that who could potentially play well and could be flipped for picks at trade deadline. It may seem like an overpay for the Canucks, but in negotiations, the Red Wings have leverage as they don't really need to make a trade like this. The Canucks need to make a trade like this if they want to keep Hughes and Petterson.</div></div>
They don't have to do this to keep Petterson and Hughes. The maple leafs got out of zadorov and all it cost was Connor Brown. That being said, taking off podkolzin would make this more fair.