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Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2023 at 9:45 p.m.
Thread: What the Pens lines should be
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensfan21</b></div><div>Carter should be on the bench. Definitely not 3C at the very least. He's good at faceoffs, but that's about it. Not worth it when he's actively hurting the team in other areas</div></div>

Being “good” at FO isn’t being accurate. Elite at FO is more like it. If it was just being “good” or even “really good” at FO, I’d say sit him in the press box. Being Elite is a different story.

And yes, I agree. He’s been awful in a lot of places; like the PP. But being that elite at FO holds a lot of value.



He should 100% be moved off the 2nd PP unit. And be given somewhat sheltered minutes unless he regains some offensive urgency. Two younger/faster/offensive wings like OConnor and Kappy should help.

McGinn isn’t that guy. He’s a great 4L, shutdown d wing that can provide enough scoring on that 4L. I really believe McGinn being on Carter’s wing has hurt Carter offensively. That’s not his game.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 22, 2022 at 8:49 p.m.
Thread: Pens Drouin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ricochetii</b></div><div>Drouin/Kapanen swap isn't a terrible concept, we're just at a point where we are better with the empty slot at wing than replacing Drouin with an outside addition.
We need to shed contracts to develop our own forwards.</div></div>

I wouldnt hate the idea either but it’s probably a redundant move for both teams.

Pens would probably have to add that mid round pick too since Drouin would probably need to be retained and is expiring.

Pens can’t take on that 5.5M only moving Kappy’s contract out. And in this deal Allen is making 1M more than DeSmith and Pens are already up against the cap.

But DeSmith &gt; Allen. Habs would get a solid NHL back-up with playoff experience for this season and next and at a cheap price. While they are figuring things out, DeSmith is a nice stop gap.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 18, 2022 at 2:42 a.m.
Thread: Pens trade Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>The salary isn't the issue. The issue is that NHL teams can only carry 50 NHL contracts. The Leafs were right up against the mark until they terminated someones contract recently, now they are sitting at 49/50. it probably wouldn't be an issue except Friedman has next season signed as well so its a problem going forward with him. His path to the NHL is also unlikely in Toronto. Their depth defenseman have all been having great showings with the Leafs long list of IR casualties. Connor Timmins or Jordie Benn have both put a hold on those 7th and 8th defenseman spots. I'm not sure Friedman would slot in over Mete either at the 9th spot and Hollowell looked good in his chance too behind him. Basically Friedman would just be taking up a contract slot. Take Simmonds, he's all yours, give him the NHL opportunity ... just do it for free.</div></div>

Ohh, I see. Lol. And no, I want you to have Friedman..lol. Friedman &gt; Hollowell and Mete.

And Believe me, you’ll enjoy Friedman. Tough as nails!!

And didn’t they just release AxelRindell ??
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 18, 2022 at 1:32 a.m.
Thread: Pens trade SanJose
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kjell_Forsman</b></div><div>Reimer and Kunin can be had. But this isn't the deal.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>glarson17</b></div><div>This is a terrible trade for San Jose. Ahl forward, depth forward and backup goalie for a top 9 forward, good prospect and a just as good if not better goalie.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kjell_Forsman</b></div><div>Definitely not ready to trade Fisher. RD prospects are limited in the org. No interest in DeSmith either. Fish is our best offensive RHD prospect after Merkley and Havelid and has real potential for boom.

Kunin brings more value than Kapanen with his defensive upside and physicality. Nylander is simply not needed and hasn't played NHL hockey in over two years.

Pretty easy pass from SJ</div></div>

Copy and paste from recent Hockey Writers articles.


Reimer is a pending free agent who makes $2.25 million against the cap this season. The 34-year-old holds no-trade protection against five teams; however, it’s extremely unlikely he wouldn’t be open to joining Sidney Crosby and the Penguins.

Reimer has posted a .908 SV% this season and in 48 games in 2021-22, recorded a .911 SV%, quite impressive considering he’s playing behind a struggling team. This trade wouldn’t be centered around Jarry, and instead, DeSmith would be the one heading south to California. He’s signed through next season at $1.8 million and could give the Sharks a steady option in goal as the team continues to work through the beginning stages of their rebuild.

The Sharks are open for business as the basement dwellers are looking towards the future. There’s certainly potential that any trade talks could materialize into a blockbuster as the Sharks don’t have many untouchables. Reimer is a prime trade candidate this season, even without a ton of Stanley Cup Playoff experience under his belt. He’s a savvy veteran who is a great personality in the dressing room and someone who won’t disrupt things if he’s not getting a ton of playing time or if things aren’t going well.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 17, 2022 at 7:13 p.m.
Thread: Pens trade SanJose
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>glarson17</b></div><div>This is a terrible trade for San Jose. Ahl forward, depth forward and backup goalie for a top 9 forward, good prospect and a just as good if not better goalie.</div></div>


Ya, the only reason I added the prospect was cause the Pens are low on RHD prospects. I really don’t know anything about him but he was a 3rd round pick and is 18 years old.

Me personally, if I was a SJ fan I would rather take a shot on Nylander. He’s a right handed shot(which SJ is lacking), still just 23 years old. He had 22 goals, 44 points in 67 AHL games last season. Is on pace for 26 goals, 58 points this season in the AHL.

Pens just have no room for Nylander to even get a shot in the NHL. Even V.Puustinen, S.Poulin, OConnor, Hallander haven’t gotten much NHL PT and all 4 are NHL ready or close to it.

The way I looked at the trade was Kappy &gt; Kunin(Kappy making 450k more though). Kappy way more upside too.

Actually Archibald playing for the Pens is similar to Kunin and making just 900k. Don’t know why I would even want Kunin. Archibald has almost double the “hits” so far this season, playing well on the 4th line and much cheaper than Kunin.

Reimer &gt; DeSmith. Even though DeSimth is cheaper, has better stats this season, has been a really solid backup his whole career; and his career numbers have always been really solid and actually better than Reimer’s too. Reimer just way more experience.

But I’d still take Reimer over DeSmith just b/c of the experience. And put the Pens D in front of him and Reimer should be better.

And Nylander plus a 7th = M.Fisher.

Like I said, if I was a SJ fan, I would much rather run the rest of this season with a top 2 lines of:

Meier/Hertl/Kappy
Barabanov/Couture/Nylander

I mean; damn, You guys acting like Reimer and Kunin are some superstars or something. Kappy and Nylander much higher upside. DeSmith simliar to Reimer as well. Not a huge difference. Again, DeSmith better numbers this season and better career numbers. Reimer just way more experience.

I’ll take the top 6 upside of Kappy and a 23 year old goal scorer in Nylander over a 18 year old, lottery ticket 3rd round pick, and a bottom 6 defensive forward. Just my opinion but I understand yours as well.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 17, 2022 at 6:40 p.m.
Thread: Pens trade SanJose
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kjell_Forsman</b></div><div>Definitely not ready to trade Fisher. RD prospects are limited in the org. No interest in DeSmith either. Fish is our best offensive RHD prospect after Merkley and Havelid and has real potential for boom.

Kunin brings more value than Kapanen with his defensive upside and physicality. Nylander is simply not needed and hasn't played NHL hockey in over two years.

Pretty easy pass from SJ</div></div>

Ya, the only reason I added him was cause the Pens are low on RHD prospects. I really don’t know anything about him but he was a 3rd round pick and is 18 years old.

Me personally, if I was a SJ fan I would rather take a shot on Nylander. He’s a right handed shot(which SJ is lacking), still just 23 years old. He had 22 goals, 44 points in 67 AHL games last season. Is on pace for 26 goals, 58 points this season in the AHL.

Pens just have no room for Nylander to even get a shot in the NHL. Even V.Puustinen, S.Poulin, OConnor, Hallander haven’t gotten much NHL PT and all 4 are NHL ready or close to it.

The way I looked at the trade was Kappy &gt; Kunin(Kappy making 450k more though). Kappy way more upside too.

Actually Archibald playing for the Pens is similar to Kunin and making just 900k. Don’t know why I would even want Kunin. Archibald has almost double the “hits” so far this season, playing well on the 4th line and much cheaper than Kunin.

Reimer &gt; DeSmith. Even though DeSimth is cheaper, has better stats this season, has been a really solid backup his whole career; and his career numbers have always been really solid and actually better than Reimer’s too. Reimer just way more experience.

But I’d still take Reimer over DeSmith just b/c of the experience. And put the Pens D in front of him and Reimer should be better.

And Nylander plus a 7th = M.Fisher.

Like I said, if I was a SJ fan, I would much rather run the rest of this season with a top 2 lines of:

Meier/Hertl/Kappy
Barabanov/Couture/Nylander

Than a 18 year old, lottery ticket 3rd round pick, and a bottom 6 defensive forward. Just my opinion but I understand yours as well.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 27, 2022 at 11:48 p.m.
Thread: Pens trade Isles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles5513</b></div><div>Also Lee is one of those guys who may age well thru sheer will power lmao</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>You can believe it all you want, but a team aiming to contend for the playoffs isn't going to trade their 30-goal scoring captain for a bag of peanuts.

Is the contract gonna look bad in a couple years? Sure, there's pretty good likelihood the last year or two of that deal is an albatross. But it doesn't make sense to trade him while he's still playing well because his contract might have negative value two years from now. That's a 2024 problem, for now it'd be a major downgrade to go from Lee to Zucker, and there's still not nearly enough here for 4x$2M retention, much less for Lee himself.

You also have completely glossed over the fact that Lee has a full NTC and that, more than anything, is why this trade is dead in the water.

Also gotta love the classic ACGM tactic of spending multiple posts talking about how overpaid or bad the player is when people say the value is off on the trade. Sure, Anders is a terrible overpaid player - that's why you've got him on the 2nd line with Malkin here, right?</div></div>


Ought-ohh. Lee 9 games drought without lighting the lamp. 19 points in 23 games (.8 PPG). He’s coming back to earth; he is not a PPG player.

Zucker 15 points in 20 games (.75 PPG). I guess they are more similar than you guys thought..lol.

Isles are having a better start to their season than I thought though. I’ll give u that. Thought for sure they would be on the outside looking in and sellers at the TD.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 6, 2022 at 2:08 a.m.
Thread: Pens trade Isles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles5513</b></div><div>Lmao

He’s scoring at a PPG pace and he’s the captain. **** off with this Bs lol</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>A 2nd round pick does not get you 4x$2M of retention. That's 1st round territory, at the very least.

No one is going to argue that Lee is a star on the level of Barzal/Dobson, but he's the team captain and he's performing at a great level the first few weeks of the season (up to 6-6-12 in 11 GP so far). You keep saying he's not worth the money but I'd argue he's lived up to the contract so far - since signing his extension prior to the 2019-20 season, he's scored 66 goals and 120 points in 182 games - averaging out to 30 goals per 82 GP.

It also ignores the fact that there's zero reason for the Islanders to move him - you keep saying that he has zero value at that cap hit to any team, but who said that the Isles are moving on from him? They're 7-4-0 and have beaten some very good teams so far this season, so there's no real rush to tear it down and rebuild. They've got cap space to add at the deadline if they want to go after a rental. And they've got north of $15M available this offseason with minimal needs (re-sign Oliver Wahlstrom, re-sign/replace Zach Parise, new RD3, backup goalie).

This trade is treating the Isles as a lottery team with your "they can flip Zucker 50% retained for a pick" nonsense. Jason Zucker does not make the team better than it is with Anders Lee currently on it, and, again, there's nothing in this trade that does anything but make Lamoriello laugh and say "okay, funny joke, what's the real reason you called today?"</div></div>

Sure thing!! Lol. PPG pace through 10 games..lol..lol. He is not a PPG player. Never has been and he’s 32 years old and never will be.

Zucker is a PPG pace so far this season too..8 points in 9 games..lol. So I guess he’s a PPG player too..lol.

What a stupid comment..”he’s on a PPG pace” Thinking Anders Lee is a PPG player..lol.

And he’s probably one of the bottom 5-8 of the least skilled Captain’s in the whole NHL. He would not be a Captain on any contending team. And I’m not trying to knock him either; again, it’s just the truth.




Like I said, I think they accept the deal tomorrow; and would add more than just Bode Wilde if a 3rd team was involved and they got another 2nd round pick right away.

Two(2) 2nd round picks and shedding 5M of Lee’s contract for this season and 4 more. Ya, they do that deal tomorrow.


We can agree to disagree. I think they accept the deal(it’s why I did the ACGM). You don’t!! It’s fine. I get your point. I think u get mine.

I’m not gonna keep arguing saying the same things over and over just in different ways; using semantics and rhetoric to prove a point or win a fruitless argument.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 5, 2022 at 6:59 a.m.
Thread: Pens trade Isles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>There's literally not enough in here to have the Islanders retain $2M for 4 years - what are you going to offer for the actual player?

As said above, Lee is at 5-5-10 through 10 games this season, and has been a steady 25-30 goal scorer going back to the 2016-17 season - he averages out to scoring 32 goals/82 GP in that span. He's also the captain of a team that's 6-4-0 with a +11 goal differential through their first 10 games - why are the Islanders trading him for a guy like Zucker? Zucker's scored less goals in his entire time in Pittsburgh (24) than Lee scored last season alone (28). There's absolutely nothing of value for the Islanders here.</div></div>

The 2nd round pick is value and like I said, Zucker contract is expiring and that has value to rebuilding team or a contender, especially at 2.75M per and 50% retention.

I think they would accept the offer tomorrow. Especially if a 3rd team was involved and they got another 2nd or 3rd round pick for Zucker right away.

Shedding 5M of Lee contract for 4 more years would be a major win.

Lee has zero value at 7M to any team. A contender would have to move off a major piece to fit him under the cap which ain’t happening. And no way a rebuilding team takes that term or AAV. That’s the truth.

And great. Zucker has also been a 20 goal scorer his last healthy season and most of his career. And Zucker has only played 95 games with the Pens. So 24 goals and 47 points is .5 PPG.

And he also has been a PPG so far this season too. What’s your point? And he’s two(2) years younger than Lee.

The idea that Lee is some star is ridiculous. Barzal and Pulock/Dobson are stars and the untouchables. And neither is Zucker, I get it. But Zucker’s contract is expiring and Lee has a huge AAV and a lot of term left.

If they got a 2nd round pick and an expiring contract for Lee they would do the deal tomorrow
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 5, 2022 at 6:54 a.m.
Thread: Pens trade Isles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hammerwise</b></div><div>Hey I thought you were the buyer, (and in division). Its just my opinion that Lee is the better, more valuable player (even though older and under contract), but you're the one who wants him in this proposal. I'm just saying NYI fans will not accept that offer.

And I think Wilde is a failed pick, but doubt NYI fans would be the ones looking to add to your proposal.

And its Pens fans always looking to move Zucker, I think PITT is set with their top 8 or so with Zucker.

But good luck</div></div>

Yep, and in my opinion, I think the Isles accept the offer tomorrow. Especially if a 3rd team was involved and they got another 2nd or 3rd round pick for Zucker

Two(2) 2nd round picks and shedding 5M of Lee ‘s contract for 4 more years is my proposal. I think they add more than just Bode Wilde if they got that offer.

Shedding 5M of Lee contract for 4 more years would be a major win.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 2, 2022 at 7:03 a.m.
Thread: Pens trade Isles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hammerwise</b></div><div>Lee has value, maybe not 7mil, but hes performing at high level. He has 10 pts in 10 games

Zucker is not quite a cap dump but every Pens fan have him moving out last yr or this yr.

NYI is not trading him for that poor offer, nor retaining 2mil for 4 years, nor throwing in Wilde, (who as you say, and I agree somewhat, is becoming a middling prospect/failed pick, but is still a RHD on a team lacking youth)

Zucker has some value but not sure its alot. Zucker and a 2nd AND a 1st AND Ty Smith or Poulin might get Lee, but I still doubt it.</div></div>

Lee is 32 and at 7M for 4 more years holds very little value to a contender(cause they would have to move a huge contract in order to fit 7M) and holds no value to rebuilding team.

And Zucker has 7 points in 8 games?? And is 2 years younger.

Zucker’s contract is expiring and at 2.75M does have value for a contender and also to a rebuilding team.

Cause his contract is expiring for a rebuilding team and and most contenders can fit 2.75M without moving a huge contract off their books.

And keep Bode Wilde. He’s 22 in the ECHL. Good luck!!
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 28, 2022 at 2:48 p.m.
Thread: Pens Lines should be
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Grusofsky96</b></div><div>Archibald isn’t even bad. But definitely think Poulin is paving his way to stay up in the NHL (yes I know it was 1 game) but hasn’t Ruh been playing over POJ? Need to find a way to get Smith up here and get POJ traded ASAP.</div></div>


Blah. Archibald is very vanilla. Ok for 4L player but playing him over Poulin or even OConnor is a sin. Pens have enough forwards who are good on the PK without him.

POJ has played every game but one. Ty Smith is waiver exempt, POJ isn’t. And POJ won’t clear waivers.

POJ is solid defensively and plays in every situation. Can play the Point on the PP and plays on the PK too. Once Dumoulin is gone after this season, POJ will be paired with Letang playing 20 plus minutes a night.

Petterson/Petry will stayed paired together on the 2nd pairing. Smith needs paired with a stay at home D-man. Like Rutta or Ruhwedel.

I suggest u read this article. Everything written is true. Copy and paste the link.

https://thehockeywriters.com/penguins-pierre-olivier-joseph-real-deal/
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 6, 2022 at 2:05 p.m.
Thread: Pens 22-23
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockeyfan1234</b></div><div>Friedman is only making like 775k. That’s about what Moore would make minimum so he’s not really more expensive lol. And Nylander is a RW. He played RW for the most part in WBS where he went off.
With that being said, I agree with ducks fans that the ducks have no incentive to do this. Even if it was just Moore going the pens way. The pens are sending quantity not quality.
Friedman may be worth a 5th at best, Archibald is worth a 7th at best, Nylander is probably worth a 4th at best.
Nothing right now in that package screams a solid RHD prospect should be the return. The pens really shouldn’t sell Nylander either. They need players like him to hopefully take the next step and give the pens a cheap option that could push out players like Kapanen and Zucker.</div></div>

Nylander is 24 years old. And once a player gets to be 25-26 years old, I wouldn’t even considered him a prospect anymore. 23-24 years old a player still has value as a prospect in my opinion.

And Nylander is a top 6 or bust prospect. He can’t be a 4th line player or even start off on the bottom 6 and move up eventually.

So he’s 24 years old and blocked by Guentzel, Rust, Rakell(all signed long term). Plus Zucker, Kappy, Heinen this season. And Puustinen, Poulin, Legare, OConnor in the near future.

All 4 of those guys are right on the doorstep too. OConnor, Puustinen and Hallander all even got NHL experience last season(but Hallander most likely ends up a bottom 6).

Pens should trade him now while he is still just 24 and has more value in my opinion. And coming off a good season in the AHL(22 goals and 42 points in 67 games).