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Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsThu at 2:40 am
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div>Okay, you're correct that the two central pieces of this package are on the decline. But do you have any evidence that they're mediocre? Cuz their SKATR stats show that they can still be great.

Hornqvist:

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Johnson:

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Also, Marner isn't anywhere near as good as Kessel was when he got traded (ask <a href="/users/mhockey91" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@mhockey91</a>, she'll explain why), so why should he get a better return? Sure you can argue that he's younger, but he hasn't shown any signs that he's going to get better. If anything, he's gotten worse which given his cap hit will scare GMs away.

I probably shouldn't have called him a toxic presence, but from watching him play, I can see that he's holding the team back. Every game he tries to make highlight reel plays and perfect passes which the opposition shuts down, killing any momentum the Leafs generate. He never tries to adjust &amp; play a more simple game by just getting in on the forecheck &amp; cycling the puck. At this point, it shouldn't even matter what the return is for him. Getting rid of him would be like addition by subtraction.</div></div>

If and when the Leafs make any trades this offseason, they are going to find a fit, as opposed to just trading to remove a big contract. The Leafs clearly need a number of things, it's pretty clear to see, so unless a team is going to blow Toronto away with a crazy futures package of 1st rounders and top prospects, the Leafs are going to have to, with whatever they do, pick some particular areas in which they need improvement, most notable young controllable pieces on D, and work that out to make a deal. Let's look at Nashville for a second. Automatically, Fabbro would have to be included, then both to balance out some salary, and to better the Leafs overall defensive play, I would imagine Bonino and Scissons are included, then Nashville would likely have to include a 1st, if not another high pick as well. In such a deal, the Leafs hit a number of areas in which they clearly have some issues in, mainly defending overall, defenders and to get back into the 1st round of the 2020 draft. There are other teams out there with similar intriguing pieces, but if you are going to trade a Marner, or even a Nylander, ideally you send them to the Western Conference. In any event, I think the issue is completely moot because Marner is not getting traded.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsWed at 2:48 am
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div><a href="/users/aadoyle" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@aadoyle</a> <a href="/users/TheLeafsSeason" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><a href="/users/TheLeafsSeason" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@TheLeafsSeason</a></a> <a href="/users/draft_em_sign_em_trade_em" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@draft_em_sign_em_trade_em</a> <a href="/users/leafs_and_sens_fan" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@leafs_and_sens_fan</a> <a href="/users/palhal" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@palhal</a> <a href="/users/leafsfanforsomereason" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@leafsfanforsomereason</a>
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Please give my post description a read &amp; let me know your thoughts on my take in regards to Mitch Marner. Would you be inclined to trade him?

(Don't quote this post).</div></div>

I don't understand. So he's your favourite player, but you want him gone for all the reasons you mentioned in your post? Seems so counter intuitive, like you should move on to another player as your favourite if you keep with these discussions and AGMs. More of a suggestion there, then anything else, because you are clearly entitled to do whatever it is you want to do.

So to your overall premise, I disagree. I don't think he's unliked, I don't think he's a dressing room issue, and I don't think he's outdone his time in Toronto. As I have mentioned to you previously on several of your AGMs you've tagged me in, Mitch shows more effort then at least half of the forwards, as far as backchecking - we need more of that, not less of that. He does a pretty good on the PK, all things considered, and again, we need more of that, not less of that. As offensively gifted as a player like Nylander is, I would take Mitch all day. Sure, the cap hit is rough, and his bonus schedule makes his contract virtually untradeable, especially if you want fair market value.

As far as your deal goes, that's absolutely a terrible terrible trade for Toronto. It's almost as if you are just sticking Toronto with random pieces and an old guy for a cap dump (Johnsson) in order to get him on the Pens. So not only in your scenario are the Leafs selling low, they are also not helping themselves in any clear area of play they need to upgrade.

As far as I am concerned, there is absolutely no reason to trade Mitch Marner, and I would go so far as to say, that as long as Dubas in the GM, I doubt Marner moves anywhere. For the sake of these AGMs and threads though, unless you can work out a deal that's fair for Toronto, I really see no reason to further discuss this. Kapanen, Johnsson, Kerfoot and Nylander will be long gone in my opinion before Marner goes anywhere, and that is a testament both to his skill, how he's valued on this team, and to his massive contract that, once again, you will have a very tough moving if you hope to get fair market value for him in a trade.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 31 at 2:31
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 30 at 11:32
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capitalfail67</b></div><div>if you read Carefully i said " a guy youll use as a #1 RHD" never claimed he was a #1 RHD but hes a top 4 RHD and AJ is a bottom 6 player. hes a good bottom 6 but none the less hes a bottom 6 player. long story short AJ will come very cheap or will be a hard sell after a down year and a serious injury. CBj would have little interest in him. you more than likely will trade him to a team willing to take a risk for 3rd round pick but if you think hes a top 6 player god bless you.

dont forget that they are also asking to retain 2million on his contract which is also insane.... and not properly accounted for</div></div>

Oh don't you worry, I read your post extremely carefully and noted how you phrased your comment, which is why I through Cody Ceci right at you, because he's been a guy the Leafs have "used as a #1 RHD at times". Andreas Johnsson is not a bottom-6. During his first full NHL season, he scored 20 goals, and that was last year. The kid is only 25 and was injured at what normally would have been about the half-way point during this season. Nothing about his NHL game so far, potential, or actual play during his sample size, has ever indicated he's nothing but a top-6 forward. A team wouldn't make a trade for an injured player, and guys with bigger injury histories get dealt all the time. Any sort of deal involving Johnsson would probably be pending a physical, but honestly, that's no reason his value gets diminished.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 30 at 11:26
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Forum: Armchair-GMJul 20 at 6:56
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div><a href="/users/leafs101" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@leafs101</a> <a href="/users/keep_ups12" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@keep_ups12</a> <a href="/users/jack_" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@jack_</a> <a href="/users/aadoyle" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@aadoyle</a> <a href="/users/TheLeafsSeason" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><a href="/users/TheLeafsSeason" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@TheLeafsSeason</a></a> <a href="/users/Boomer125" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Boomer125</a> <a href="/users/draft_em_sign_em_trade_em" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@draft_em_sign_em_trade_em</a> <a href="/users/leafs_and_sens_fan" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@leafs_and_sens_fan</a> <a href="/users/palhal" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@palhal</a> <a href="/users/PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</a> <a href="/users/leafsfanforsomereason" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@leafsfanforsomereason</a>
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What'd you guys think of this team? Are they contender level?</div></div>

I do not think this team you've put together is anything more of a "contender" then our current iteration of this team that will be shortly competing in the RTP. In a lot of ways similar to Matt Roy, Mackenzie Weegar provides Leaf fans with the "flashy numbers" they are looking for as far as a low-cost right-handed defender that can play decent minutes, hits and blocks. I honestly don't think he's an option, solely because of Florida? Like why would they want to let a good young defender go, especially to a division rival, and especially when they are going to have to make some big decisions over the next few years with contracts expiring. So why would Florida agree to part with a young piece unless it's an overpay, something I think the Leafs should avoid doing as best they can. To me, your deal is a clear overpay to a defender solely based on potential and handedness. I really don't think the Leafs can afford to part with their 2021 1st for anything less that a true top-4, and I would consider Weegar as a top-4 yet. This is besides the fact that I would guess any deal between these clubs for Weegar would start with Liljegren going the other way. Would the Leafs do that? Doubtful. In my mind, this deal would more than get you Ryan Graves or Philippe Myers, both of whom, to varrying degrees, offers may more potential and benefits than does Weegar. In my opinion, I think the Leafs have a much better chance of landing a player like Erik Cernak, a right-handed gritty defender from a divisional rival, than Mackenzie Weegar. As for the rest of this AGM, I really do not trust that backend, and Spezza as a 3C? I don't really love it.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsJul 18 at 1:53
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 18 at 1:51
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div><a href="/users/leafs101" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@leafs101</a> <a href="/users/keep_ups12" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@keep_ups12</a> <a href="/users/jack_" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@jack_</a> <a href="/users/aadoyle" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@aadoyle</a> <a href="/users/TheLeafsSeason" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><a href="/users/TheLeafsSeason" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@TheLeafsSeason</a></a> <a href="/users/Boomer125" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Boomer125</a> <a href="/users/draft_em_sign_em_trade_em" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@draft_em_sign_em_trade_em</a> <a href="/users/SammyT_51" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@SammyT_51</a> <a href="/users/leafs_and_sens_fan" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@leafs_and_sens_fan</a> <a href="/users/palhal" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@palhal</a> <a href="/users/PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</a> <a href="/users/leafsfanforsomereason" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@leafsfanforsomereason</a>
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What'd you guys think of this Ceci situation?</div></div>

My sense is that Ceci will get at least 2 games in the play-in, provided that he looks decent enough in the intrasquad games and exhibition. I think if it were up to Dubas, Ceci would be a guarantee, but luckily for Leafs fans, he's not our coach. I think the same goes for Robertson as it does for Sandin. If the youngsters prove they are worthy of a lineup spot, Keefe (at least based on what's he said in the media) will make that happen. It would not surprise me at all to see the Leafs go 7 defenders at some point and bench one of the depth guys, like Gauthier or Engvall.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 16 at 3:31