Dec 20, 2016
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BrandonDubinskyGOAT</b></div><div>I disagree that Toews would’ve easily shut down Crosby. If you are to put Toews at his best and Crosby at his best, match them up, Crosby would dominate. There’s not even a debate to that.</div></div>
Their actual head to head stats against their respective teams shows that your oppinion is not only uninformed but is a load of crap already. Toews PPG against the Pens vs Sid at his best is .5ppg and a -14 that is literally through their entire career with Sid being the better player he cant handle defensive forwards like Toews, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Bergeron, even the Isles series he was manhandled by the Czikas, Martin, Clutterbuck line and held to a single assist that series in terms of scoring all the while being a minus 4. Even internationally for Canada Toews has been the better forward for the 2010 and 14 olympics while Crosby was MIA until the gold medal game (where Toews actually produced the entire tourney and in the gold medal games on top of it)
Sid gets shut down by Toews end of story. Thats not even mentioning that Toews's line would have Hossa and Sharp riding shotgun with him who are also great defensively while being PPG players as well they would feast on Hornqvist and Sheary and outskate them too. You have no argument here, Crosby cant handle defensively responsible players. You can mention how Sid can beat up on teams like the Devils, Sens, and a bunch of Islander teams that had DiPietro as their starting goalie until you are blue in the face that doesnt mean he has anything close to the production against those teams as he would against teams that play defense..
Sid cant handle Toews, Kopitar, Zetterberg, Barkov, Datsyuk, Bergeron etc they can shut him down and make him look pedestrian. There is a reason why Chicago has been the worst team Sid fares against LITERALLY THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE CAREER
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BrandonDubinskyGOAT</b></div><div>The fact that you said Kruger is better than Malkin proves to me you are delusional, just another American who doesn’t understand hockey. I am always amazed how stupid people can be, and you are probably as **** as it can get. It’s not only about head to head match ups, Crosby and Malkin dominate Kane and Toews in individual skill, trophies and point production throughout the entirety of their careers.</div></div>
Are you stupid or can you not read? Where do you get the notion that they are better? What I said is that they would make Crosby, Malkin, Kessel non factors and shut them down my god you are illiterate. This is about the better team not the better individuals in which the Hawks would suffocate the Pens with Chicago's system and the defensive skill of Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, Bolland, Hjalmarsson Kruger/John Madden would prevent Crosby and Malkin from doing anything.
<strong>Im going to type in bold letters so maybe you can understand better since reading isnt your strong suit (stop eating crayons btw) Crosby and Malkin would not be able to produce against the 10 or 13 Hawks. Toews, Kruger/Madden, Bolland would prevent Crosby, Malkin and the HBK line from producing as much in a head to head that doesnt mean any of those guys are better, just that they would be able to neutralize their skill which is somehow lost on you</strong>
Different example being Sami Pahlson, Moen, and Rob Niedermeyer shutting down the Pizza line (Heatley, Spezza, Alfredsson) in the 07 Finals. Those three shut down the best line in the league that season, that doesnt mean any of those 4th liners have better skill than the Pizza line guys, just that they can shut down top opposition guys which is important when it comes to winning games. This somehow hard for you to grasp but depth guys especially guys who can matchup against a team's offensive threats and make them a nonfactor on the ice matters in a hypothetical head to head matchup.
Kruger, Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Bolland, Madden, Toews, and Hossa would be able to limit the impact Crosby, Malkin and the Kessel line would have on the ice which is why the 2016 Pens arent better they would lose in a head to head matchup even with Sid and Malkin being better individually they cant overcome the depth Chicago had those years and would have a limited impact on the ice. Just like Sid and Geno being held pointless in the Bruins series depth guys that can take out the oppositions best guys wins games even if Sid and Malkin were better than any single player on the Bruins they couldnt overcome their system and the defensive forwards.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BrandonDubinskyGOAT</b></div><div>I disagree, Sid and Geno were better than Kane and Toews.</div></div>
Toews owns Crosby while Malkin wouldnt be producing against Kruger and Keith-Seabrook behind him they would be a non factors if the 16 Pens matched up while the 2010 or 2013 of the Hawks.
Prime Keith, Hjalmarsson, Seabrook, thats three Dmen better than the Pens #1 and all three would shut down any other scoring threats the Pens may have in the Malkin and Kessel(HBK line).
Chicago's system constantly suffocates the Pens time and time again, there is a reason the one team Sid and Geno are close to a combined -30 against Chicago in their careers and are barely even above .5ppg in their careers against Chicago.
Their star power would be neutralized with Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, Bolland, Hjalmarsson, Kruger/Madden being able to shadow any offensive threat Pit had. All the while Chicago's depth would overcome as Hossa, Sharp, Byfuglien, Versteeg, Campbell, Ladd, Bolland, are better than Kessel, Kunitz, Sheary, Bonino, Rust etc
Kane and Toews career vs the Pens
Kane: 15 GP: 21 PTS +9
Toews: 16GP 18PTS +10
Combined 31GP 39pts +19
Now here is where it gets funny
Malkin: 13GP 9 Pts -14
Crosby: 14GP 7 Pts -12
Combined 27GP: 16pts -26
Domination. Malkin and Sid cant preform against them Chicago is the worst team for both of them.
Pens depth guys are worse, their stars get suffocated when playing against chicago while Kane and Toews light them up, Chicagos 3rd, 4th, 5th and so on
End thread Pit loses which has always been the norm already
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BrandonDubinskyGOAT</b></div><div>You are wrong, the Sharks were actually a force to be reckoned with during that 2016 cup run. You are downplaying their brilliance because the Penguins beat them in a lopsided 6 game series in which they were heavily outplayed. Keep in mind that before the series started, almost all experts predicted that the Sharks would crush the Penguins in 4 or 5 games.</div></div>
Bruins dismantled the east's favorites shutting them out a majority of the series and held Sid and Malkin pointless that alone makes them better than the 2016 Sharks. Peak Chara, Seidenberg, Boychuk are better than Burns, Vlassic, Braun. Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand, Seguin, Lucic, Horton all in their primes/peaks were a better forward group than Pavelski, Thornton, Hertl etc. Sharks were literally a one line team forward wise all the while Rask is better than Jones ever was.
You have some clear vendetta every time a team that isnt Pittsburgh wins and have to pull out the "member 2016 guys" you are a clown lmao no one has said the current blues were better than any past champions check your ego mate
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BrandonDubinskyGOAT</b></div><div>The 2016 Penguins were the best Stanley Cup Champions over the past 10 years. They were more dominant in controlling the play even compared to the 2012 Kings and 2013 Blackhawks. They are the only team I’ve seen generate as much zone time, puck possession, shots and chances on a nightly basis, yet giving up so little.</div></div>
No they werent.. Check the stats 2012 Kings, 2013, 2010 Chicago with Niemi all had better possession stats. Chicago and 2008 set the precedent for skill down the line up and possession top 3 in possesion are 08 Detroit, 13 Chicago, and 12 Kings with the 10 Hawks jumping in with 16 Pit right after.
10 and 13 Hawks had speed, skill, depth, and even size for 2010's case there isnt a real edge Pit has when you are talking about a Hawks team that had 3 #1 Dmen or 4 top pairing guys (with Campbell in on 2010). Chicago had the better forwards, defense, and goalie for 13. Pit could beat the 15 team but not the 13 and the 2010 team's overwhelming possession and scoring would beat them out