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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 29, 2023 at 5:01 p.m.
Thread: QOs to keep space
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>drmantalban</b></div><div>Yeah I think that's a gamble they're ok with - they let Dumba walk because they wanted him for playoffs, so I dont' think Guerin gets overly concerned about maximizing trade pieces.

Hartman plays 1C for us with Kaprizov, so assuming he stays healthy, he should be pretty productive just by way of that. I think if they're clean out of a playoff spot, he'll get dealt. If not, I could see him staying and just take the L on trade value.</div></div>
Sheesh. I dont know how I was so off on Hartman’s slotting in the Minnesota lineup. Watched a lot of his game and love what he brings (and how he owns Binnington) but for some reason thought he was playing more of a middle 6 role. Yeah probably wise to hold on and see what comes at TDL. I do think he would be a great complementary 3rd line piece on NJ so maybe theres a fit there but also a team with less depth who views him as a 2nd line player may be willing to pay more.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 20, 2023 at 3:25 p.m.
Thread: If I had say
Respectfully, I haven’t heard a single report anywhere outside of random TBL fans on CapFriendly that would suggest NJ would remotely consider trading Bahl for Colton. Not knocking you at all Zibby, just seeing it spoken about like fact on this thread in addition to others.

The Colton being moved stuff has a little bit of smoke, Friedman has openly wondered if TBL is going to trade him. He is also on THW trade list (less significant). Not much but its something I guess. The NJ connection comes from one real throwaway tidbit in an interview with Ryan Novozinsky (NJ.com) where Colton said last summer that he grew up a Devils fan and it would be cool to wear the jersey one day. Again, not much, but “something”?

“Bahl for Colton” on the other hand is basically made up out of thin air haha. If anyone has an actual report with that information please pass along. Bahl was deployed as a top 4 defenseman for NJ during most of the playoff run this year. He will be on a cheap deal with team control the next few years. With Ryan Graves and Damon Severson leaving, NJ’s D core is looking extremely young and non-physical. When one of Luke Hughes, Dougie Hamilton, and Simon Nemec are on the ice for pretty much every minute of every game, a presence like Bahl is very necessary. Not to mention NJ has nothinggg coming down the pipeline with left handed D. Could NJ use a player like Colton on a third line? Sure. Would it be a fun story? Absolutely. But they NEED Kevin Bahl. It is a non starter.

Totally understand why Tampa fans would want him, just like I can understand why they dont have interest in a lot of the players us Devils fans mock in Colton trades like Boqvist, Sharangovich, picks. Thats all fine, thats what we do around here, share our opinions and yell at eachother about how wrong they are lol. Just want to clarify that the “Colton starts with Bahl” thing is very much a fan opinion, not an actual report, cause I’ve seen it presented like its a fact recently.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 20, 2023 at 3:03 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 16, 2023 at 12:58 p.m.
Thread: Round it out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NJDevils1317</b></div><div>Yegor is fine, but you are just sending spare parts with no value with him.</div></div>
So honestly thought through that deal a good amount. Here’s my thoughts.

First of all, the deal only happens if Tampa feels they have to move on from Colton in the long run. That seems to be the idea from insiders, but just reiterating. If they value him enough to sign him long term, that’s the end of the discussion.

Am I going to sit here and pretend that Lazar and Smith are huge pieces with great value? Absolutely not. The framework of the deal is Sharangovich for Colton. If you don’t feel that those two have similar value (at least with Yegor retained) than the deal doesn’t work.

So why even throw them in? I think of it this way. Tampa is realistically at the end of a Cup window with limited assets. It’s not the final “win now” year but we are getting close. While Smith and Lazar aren’t superstars, they are definitely NHL players who play a physical game and have veteran experience. Aka the type of mold Tampa likes to use to fill out bottom lines and D pair roles.

They dont have zero value. Lazar (no retention) went for a 4th last year at the TDL. Based of comparable meaty, low skill, vet Dmen, Smith probably has a mid round pick value at a TDL. Grabbing them now with retention allows Tampa to avoid spending any additional assets to plug those two roster spots, and they can use what they have left at the deadline for better impact players depending on their needs with injuries, performance, etc.

Sharangovich is signed by NJ at his QO number and retained 50%. Him at a million next year is great value for TBL. They retain his control and can decide to sign or trade for assets in the summer of 24.

Smith is done after this year, Lazar would have one year left at 500k, which should still be positive value (even if insignificant) for an NHL player.

At the end of the day, the value for Tampa is 3 roster players for a combined AAV of $863,000.