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Forum: Armchair-GM23 hours ago
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What'd you guys think of this team? Should they win the cup?

(Don't quote this post).
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 12:09 pm
You know, judging by the takes I’ve seen on this site, I feel your whole team should be of Mitch Marner:

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div> Marner is the most overpaid and worthless player in the league by a wide margin. His dad and agent had some nice marketing strategies that helped him get that 11 million dollar deal when he doesn’t even belong in the NHL. He gets carried so heavily by Matthews. He can’t score a goal to save his life and only earns assists which is the most meaningless stat in the sport since all he does is throw the puck in a random area for his teammates to do the work. You want to talk about defensive play, he doesn’t hit or block shots, he brings nothing. The Leafs are going to have a hard winning anything and no team is going to want to take on his contract. Paying 11 million for an AHLer. Good god.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gordon_Bombay</b></div><div> I’d much rather trade Marner than any other player on the Leafs this offseason. The guy is a waste of space on the ice. He doesn’t give any effort and kills any momentum the team generates. Funny thing is, no one complains since he’s a local boy. In all honesty, he is a pure product of his linemates and doesn’t have any individual ability. In London, he rode on Tkachuk and Dvorak’s coattails and now he’s riding on Matthews. Yet he still had the courage to ask for 11 Million. SMH. </div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div> The Leafs are going to have a very hard time getting anything more than a 4th for Marner, even then, they will need to add a significant sweetener because no one wants that contract. Marner’s stats and advanced analytics away from Matthews are horrendous, he is barely a replacement level player. Just a pure product of playing alongside elite centres. He is the biggest cap dump in the NHL and it’s not even close. No one knows what Kyle Dubas was thinking when he gave out that contract, but that is a big reason why they will never get anywhere in the playoffs. </div></div>
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What'd you guys think of my lines for next game?
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 5:47 pm
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Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsWed at 7:27 pm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>It is scraps. Even though Marner hasn't been fantastic this season, he's still a PPG player and someone Leafs management has a lot of faith in. He's not "toxic presence" on the team, and don't you ****ing dare quote some random ass blogger or redditor about it. No one reputable as ever said he's toxic.

Johnson is a bottom pairing defensemen and will be liability on Toronto. Why would they waste 3 million in cap space on someone whose inevitability headed for the press box in the next couple of seasons? Hornqvist might have "heart and grit", but like Johnson, he's also on the decline. That's more than 75% of Marners cap hit on two players who will gradually slide down the depth chart and cause further financial issues that Marner's price tag ever could. Lafferty and Ruhwedel are write offs.

This isn't the Kessel trade. Toronto got Kapanen and were able to spurn the rest of the assets to acquire Andersen. Marner is also much younger than Kessel was. This trade offers nothing for the Maple Leafs, Pittsburgh gets a first line winger and also gets rid of two major contracts. Toronto gets maybe a couple of seasons out of mediocre players.

Stop proposing this trade. It's awful.</div></div>

Okay, you're correct that the two central pieces of this package are on the decline. But do you have any evidence that they're mediocre? Cuz their SKATR stats show that they can still be great.


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Also, Marner isn't anywhere near as good as Kessel was when he got traded (ask <a href="/users/mhockey91" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@mhockey91</a>, she'll explain why), so why should he get a better return? Sure you can argue that he's younger, but he hasn't shown any signs that he's going to get better. If anything, he's gotten worse which given his cap hit will scare GMs away.

I probably shouldn't have called him a toxic presence, but from watching him play, I can see that he's holding the team back. Every game he tries to make highlight reel plays and perfect passes which the opposition shuts down, killing any momentum the Leafs generate. He never tries to adjust &amp; play a more simple game by just getting in on the forecheck &amp; cycling the puck. At this point, it shouldn't even matter what the return is for him. Getting rid of him would be like addition by subtraction.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsWed at 6:28 pm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MG1986</b></div><div>I don't understand. So he's your favourite player, but you want him gone for all the reasons you mentioned in your post? Seems so counter intuitive, like you should move on to another player as your favourite if you keep with these discussions and AGMs. More of a suggestion there, then anything else, because you are clearly entitled to do whatever it is you want to do.

So to your overall premise, I disagree. I don't think he's unliked, I don't think he's a dressing room issue, and I don't think he's outdone his time in Toronto. As I have mentioned to you previously on several of your AGMs you've tagged me in, Mitch shows more effort then at least half of the forwards, as far as backchecking - we need more of that, not less of that. He does a pretty good on the PK, all things considered, and again, we need more of that, not less of that. As offensively gifted as a player like Nylander is, I would take Mitch all day. Sure, the cap hit is rough, and his bonus schedule makes his contract virtually untradeable, especially if you want fair market value.

As far as your deal goes, that's absolutely a terrible terrible trade for Toronto. It's almost as if you are just sticking Toronto with random pieces and an old guy for a cap dump (Johnsson) in order to get him on the Pens. So not only in your scenario are the Leafs selling low, they are also not helping themselves in any clear area of play they need to upgrade.

As far as I am concerned, there is absolutely no reason to trade Mitch Marner, and I would go so far as to say, that as long as Dubas in the GM, I doubt Marner moves anywhere. For the sake of these AGMs and threads though, unless you can work out a deal that's fair for Toronto, I really see no reason to further discuss this. Kapanen, Johnsson, Kerfoot and Nylander will be long gone in my opinion before Marner goes anywhere, and that is a testament both to his skill, how he's valued on this team, and to his massive contract that, once again, you will have a very tough moving if you hope to get fair market value for him in a trade.</div></div>

Thanks for the suggestion, but I am not willing to give up on Marner yet. Been a fan since his London days but also really disappointed in his play this season, which was why I felt the need to call him out. I just feel it's come to a point in which the Leafs need to trade him at all costs, because it looks like Marner is playing with zero confidence, so he could use a change of scenery, &amp; he's badly hurting the team with his poor decision making.

In regards to the trade, I really don't think it's as bad as you're making it out to be. Hornqvist is exactly what Toronto needs, a heart &amp; soul guy with leadership. He sets an example by working his arse off every game by retrieving pucks, taking hits &amp; driving to the net. Can still score &amp; is very good on the PP as well. Johnson, though he's played badly in his last 2 seasons, can still be an effective defenceman. He just hasn't been used right as he's asked to be the defensive stalwart for a risk taking partner (Letang/Schultz) &amp; he gets exposed. Alongside a strong defensive partner, he's always been very good. Can eat big minutes too. I have a hard time seeing a team give up a better return for him anyway.

Regarding your response about effort, I think you're remembering Mitch from 2018/19. He's been different this season. He keeps trying to make a highlight-reel play or perfect pass &amp; won't adjust when things aren't working. He won't deliver a hit to gain momentum or just cycle the puck &amp; get shots on net. The fire he played with from last season is gone.