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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 28, 2021 at 4:58 p.m.
Thread: Tougher and Deeper Team
Couple
Of things from a realistic Vancouver perspective…

1. Why are you buying out Loui? That move saves .885m this year at a cost of 1m next year. It’s smarter to just eat this year and be 100% clear of him next year. If anything, retaining 50% of his cap after his bonus and finding a trade partner would be the best scenario. It would cost the Canucks a $3mil hit this year, with a total cash outlay of 2.5m, but the acquiring team would get a 3mil hit for only 1.5mil of actual cash… might be able to move him for near zero cost at that point for any teams looking to make the cap floor.

2. Stylistically, Larson is not a good fit with Hughes. I’d prefer Hamonic at ½ the price. If the Canucks can convince Seattle to take Myers for Lind, Gadj, Woo and a 2022 3rd, I think Larson could be a good fit beside Rathbone and then you could do Hamonic at 2-2.5mx3yrs to play with Hughes and suddenly that is a much improved back end. Myers is and will always be the weakest link/limitation in that group with his current contract.

3. JT should stay on the top line and Dzingle can Center the 3rd line between Foegle and Podz.

4. Beags should be on LTIR.

5. Rooster will be bought out, traded @ 50% retained or buried in the minors with Loui.



As far as your other moves, I think Subban in your Zadorov trade is a useless add in. There are better options on the market for the same or slightly more and I’d prefer Dipietro backing up Demko over Subban, even though Dips probably still needs at least 1 more year in the AHL.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11, 2021 at 8:00 p.m.
Thread: DH to the Canucks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rangsey</b></div><div>Johnson to Seattle with Picks and Prospects.
Shop Killorn for a 2nd.

If Tampa does have to pay to dump someone they're in too tight of a spot to retain on anyone. Plus Gourde has been a force for Tampa this year. He's probably the guy they end up hanging onto.</div></div>
What Picks tho? TBL doesn’t have a 1st, 2nd or 4th this year and don’t have a 2nd or 3rd next year. It’ll take something like Foote+ the 2021 3rd to take Johnson over Cirelli or Cernak depending on who they protect. Still won’t free up enough cap space for next year... 🤷🏻‍♂️

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>moli92</b></div><div>I dont know/pay attention enough about VAN to comment on any of that, I just saw a COL logo so I clicked

But I dont think the league would approve multiple trades in order to have one team protect another teams player and then give him back</div></div>
It’s been discussed as a strength of the Canucks going into the expansion to be able to make such moves. If it’s not the case, it’s a pick that has no real bearing on the roster posted here. I can share some arrivals in the athletic discussing it if you like. :)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>its in the rules, a team can not require a player for 1 full calendar year prior to the Expansion draft</div></div>
Uummmm, what?
Please clarify what you are trying to say.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bolts20Cup</b></div><div> Jbb does what he can to rid himself of tgat McDonagh contract then give Johnson to Seattle retaining a million or so for a duffle bag full of pucks
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So you are giving up quality prospects by unloading McD and getting SEA to take Johnson? That won’t be cheaper in terms of the future of the team... 🤷🏻‍♂️


<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>canucks_Fan_53</b></div><div>this deal still isn't worth it but lets not blow up gourde's value.</div></div>
The deal is leveraging the cap crunch TBL is in. Nobody thought Vancouver could have pulled Schmidt for a 3rd last year, nor predicted that VGK would try to unload Fleury with a 2020 2nd with no takers.



<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CoopsTroops</b></div><div>So like I said, he's not being dumped anywhere.</div></div> they still will have to clear 2-3 of their 4-6mil contracts to resign their RFAs and fill out their roster. CHI had to unload plenty of players during their dynasty run... they didn’t have a expansion to contend with... 🤷🏻‍♂️
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11, 2021 at 5:05 p.m.
Thread: DH to the Canucks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CoopsTroops</b></div><div>Tampa isn't dumping our 2nd highest even strength scorer from this season.</div></div>
Who are they dumping them? They are ~$5mil over the cap for next year and still have RFAs to sign and fill out the bottom of the roster with depth? They are going to have to dump ~6.5-7mil to get under the cap. And they don’t have the draft capital to get Seattle to take anything so it’s either a deal like this or paying some valuable assets to take Johnson..? 🤷🏻‍♂️

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>No avs dont need to park anyone on the canucks roster for expansion, also its against the draft rules,</div></div>
Where is this expressly forbidden? I haven’t seen it stated in anything I’ve read?
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 21, 2020 at 9:19 p.m.
Thread: OVECHKIN UFA
1. I don’t think the Canucks will struggle to put butts in seats

2. OV on the right side with Miller and Pettersson is a better first line. Or Podkolzin on the right of EP and OV with Boeser on your 2nd line as you have it constructed.

3. Jake won’t be on the Canucks. There is no way Jake makes it to the 21/22 season, he’ll be traded by the 2021 deadline if he’s not traded later this summer after he resigns. Podkolzin is probably a better fit in the 1st/2nd line anyway.

4. Even with 1 year left, I don’t think Woo and a 3rd gets Loui off the books unless you are retaining 50%. I don’t think Woo is going to blow anyone’s socks off, so you will need to give up more. However, Woo and a 3rd would probably get Seattle to take Myers and the rest of his ugly contract.

5. You can trade a 50% retained Roussel for more cap relief than burying him.

6. You could potentially buyout Loui’s last year for $2mil in cap space, and keep those assists for something else. Couple that with #5 and you save as much as

7. That d-core is really weak after Hughes and Schmidt. It’s a 1&amp;2, and then a bunch of 5s, 6s and 7s even with Myers.

8. Holtby under Ian Clark &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Halak and will likely have some really good trade value after the expansion draft if he can regain his form from 2017.

9. This should probably be #1. But there is no way the canucks sign Hughes to a 6.5x2 bridge deal. He’s well above a Chabot, so maybe 8x2, but why when you can probably get him locked up at 9.5x8?
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 8, 2020 at 5:13 p.m.
Thread: A small step back to step forward
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>Dude, serious question, have you ever looked up what players rights are worth? Because they are never, and i mean never worth a starting goalie with a year left on his contract.
Ao you're either mystically ignorant or trolling. If the leafs want a goalie who is the same age as Andersen and been worse his entire career until this season but more expensive, they'll just wait till hes a free agent and then sign him and trade Andersen for futures.</div></div>
No, but please link me to that official document you are referring back too as a reference, I’d love to see what rights are worth.

I must be reading the tea-leaves incorrectly with a UFA process that excludes the “courting window” this year, a flat cap and about 12 quality “starting” goaltenders currently on the market by trade or as a UFA. There are so many goalies on the trade market this year, that their value is dramatically reduced. I think teams are going to be faced with a lot of tough choices that will force them well out of the status-quo for the hockey world.. and trading UFA rights happens, here’s an article I found with 3seconds of googling: <a href="https://businessofhockey.wordpress.com/2016/06/22/trading-for-a-free-agents-negotiation-rights-is-worth-the-price/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://businessofhockey.wordpress.com/2016/06/22/trading-for-a-free-agents-negotiation-rights-is-worth-the-price/</a>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GrinReaper</b></div><div>Tryamkin has value that’s not my argument here, Edmonton has a long jam on LD position with 2 prospects ready to go and 2 a yr our at most 2 ready to go, Edmonton needs help on the wings or third line centre and that’s what there looking for in return for JP, Oilers don’t have depth at the RD and could be interested in a deal for a RD that could step into the lineup on a Entry level deal and a 2nd rounder for JP. As a oilers fan right now I don’t think JP has much value and I believe the player and agent feel the same his only option he has is to sign a 1 yr 900k deal in Edmonton with agreement if he still wants out Edmonton will deal him but it will be on him to work hard and play well enough to raise his value, I believe this has been Holland’s position all along that we wasn’t going to let a player or agent dictate his hand, there’s lots of blame to be had on both sides why we’re at this point with JP but I believe one of the biggest from his side was that he was forced to play with Lucic which he felt was hurting his development heard rumblings from inside sources but was never published.
My bad about stating Tryamkin as a prospect at this point I’d have him in more of a reclamation/wildcard as I’d put JP in the same category both players put in the right situation could be major wins for their current teams or be fringe NHLers, Van should bring him back having along with Myers on the backend having 2 guys with that much reach would be a huge plus, I liked Tryamkin in his first go around he looked like he was settling to be a decent player and was shocked when he left.</div></div>

Not being totally abreast of Edm’s D-prospect positioning, I figured a guy that can come in and play now, might give them some more time for those players to mature and then deal Tryamkin for better assists later. I have little confidence in JB to make the moves needed to get Tryamkin into the Vancouver lineup and I feel the player and his Agent have soured on dealing with this management group and thier ineptitude. A change is needed for him, just like JP.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 5, 2020 at 4:33 p.m.
Thread: A small step back to step forward
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Timmah007</b></div><div>Easy pass for oilers.</div></div> and what do you think Jesse is worth?

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ecupirate07 </b></div><div>3.5 million x 4 years for a bust 1st rounder that had a good year in Europe? Aren’t y’all trying to get out from under bad contracts?</div></div>
Type-o. It was supposed to be 2.5x4. I fixed it now...

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JoeForts</b></div><div>Lol ... and they say leaf fans are delusional.</div></div> they are. 🤷🏼‍♂️

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GrinReaper</b></div><div>Podkolzin has 2 yrs on his KHL deal nuks knew that when they drafted him won’t be in Vancouver till the 2021/2022 season
Edmonton not trading Jesse for a D prospect only for help in the top 9
The Leafs might give you a 5th or 6th for Markstroms right and flip Freddy in a separate deal after Markstrom signs a contract the new CBA has no condition on picks players wanted conditions removed as they felt it devalues them and the NHL wanted them gone as it was a major headache for them in the pause having to make rulings on this past yrs trades
The devils would take the deal if Eriksson only had 1 yr left your going to have to add a first to make your current deal work
Dallas moved on from Benn once already don’t see them making a deal to bring him back.</div></div>
Podkolzin has 1yr left on his KHL deal, which is why I said he comes over in 2021/22 in the details...? 🤷🏼‍♂️
Tryamkin isn’t a prospect anymore, but I’m open to suggestions on what you think a mobile 6’7” Defenceman with a good first pass and is defensive sound is worth.
I have heard that about the new CBA, but I’m not married to the conditional picks either. The Leafs have a history of giving up 1st rounders to unload players they no longer want. Coughing up a first to dump Marleau on the canes is well beyond this trade. The leafs are able to move on a goalie who can’t get it done when it matters, in the hottest goalie market in a generation, and all it costs them is the rights for the #1 goalie in that market? I’d the rolls were reversed, I’d make that deal in a heartbeat.
So you think the Devils would rather pay Schneider 6x2 of actual money out ,in a flat cap world with potentially little to no gate money coming in the door, to backup Blackwood or spend more time in the minors making 6per, than pay the still serviceable (in a bottom 6 roll) Eriksson 4 over the next 2yr of actual money out (but with a cap hit of 6x2)? The operational cost certainty of Eriksson’s deal is a win for the Devils on its own and you are getting a young 20g/yr player. It might take a 1st to flat out dump Eriksson alone, but not when taking back NJ’s more expensive trash back

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ken_holland</b></div><div>Unless they're RFA rights, which they're not, that's not happening
Oilers also decline</div></div>
Why? It worked with Pacioretty?
What do you thing JP is actually going to get the Oilers as a return. His value is all over the map and ranges from “bust” to “fringe NHLer with attitude issues” outside the minds of Edmonton fans. He’s basically Edmonton’s version of Jake Virtannen: a high pick that has struggled to live up to his draft slot and has questionable attitude/commitment. 🤷🏼‍♂️
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 5, 2020 at 4:00 p.m.
Thread: A small step back to step forward
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>This is well thought out plan...and would put VAN on better footing going forward.

A couple of things.
1. Sign and trades do happen in NHL (see Max Pacioretty).
2. If Markstrom signed, may have to be above market (since he is not picking team) and Toronto may only pay market price. If thats case, VAN would need to retain the difference on contract. That is probably not worth it for one-year of Andersen. Depends how much, I guess.
3. On the Eriksson/Schneider, both would have NTC. And even if they waived, Schneider's is a much easier buyout. NJD likely declines that one.
4. On the EDM deal, conditional picks attached to contract <em>extensions</em> were eliminated. Not clear if same applies to initial regular contract. But I would make that pick conditional on (a) him signing, or if that is also not allowed, (b) him playing X games.

Good post - enjoyed very much. Thanks</div></div>
Thanks
Obviously trade-to-sign deals are always contingent on it being a market the player already is considering otherwise the deal falls apart. The details of these trades is always worked out in tandem with the details of the new contract. I think the leafs could make it happen at or just below market if they are willing to give him a NMC for the expansion draft and go a little longer on term. Honestly, Anderson was included because his historic playoff performances have reminisced his value to the point of I think most NHL GMs no longer see him as a true #1/starter. At best he is a starter on a bottom 1/3 team or maybe a 1b on a real contender going forward, but not at 5/yr. I see him, and a bunch of goalie insiders have said, more as a guy like Halak: competent goalie able to get you some wins, but not *THE* guy in crunch time.

The Eriksson has already waived his NTC, and Schneider still has ties to the Canucks ownership. I don’t see it being a problem.

I’m not married to the Edm trade, both are technically fringe NHLers at this point.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 5, 2020 at 4:38 a.m.
Thread: A small step back to step forward
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>Seriously, you dont get a starting goalie for player rights</div></div>
Anderson is NOT a true starter on a real contender, and he wouldn’t be the starter in Vancouver either. He might start as a 1B, but the end game for the Canucks would be for him to back up Demko in the latter half of the season before his contract expires.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>Sign and trade deals for pending UFAs aren't a thing. What's the incentive for the player or the team getting that player? If a player wants to sign somewhere, he can just sign somewhere for no additional cost to that team, and if the player doesn't want to go there, the deal would just fall apart anyway.</div></div>
Trade-to-sign deals are a thing and they have happened in the past where teams give up assets to get a shot at a player before hitting the UFA market. Yes, some have fallen apart because the player had no intention of signing there, but the deal would be contingent on the player agreeing to sign once the trade is complete. Part of it is being able to negotiate more favourable terms than in a more competitive UFA market. With the flat cap, trade-to-sign deals will also be about offloading cap space at the same time for the team receiving the UFA to be. Markstrom is the #1 goalie, UFA or otherwise, available in this years crop. If the leafs want an upgrade on Anderson, and they should after this years performance, they are going to have to give up something or take something back to get rid of Anderson. They had to give up a 1st rounder just to get rid of Marleau’s contract. This deal potentially costs them nothing and they get back one of the top goalies in the league. And like it or not, there are a large number of Goalies on this summers trade market, so most teams probably aren’t going to bite on Anderson when there are much better options out there.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafs_and_Sens_Fan</b></div><div>This isn't the NBA.</div></div> This deal frees up Anderson‘s $5mil cap hit in order to sign Markstrom and gets them one of the current elite goalies in the league. The conditional picks potentially cost the leafs nothing, and if Markstrom posts a Vezina-finalist or a Vezina-winning season, the leafs would probably be looking at a ECF appearance even behind their very porous defence. The flat cap is going to force GM’s to change the way they approach UFAs and managing their internal salary structures. The leafs are really up against the wall with how little they have to spare and how many players they need to replace. And there is no reason this wouldn’t be a big win for the leafs.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsMar. 20, 2020 at 3:13 p.m.
Thread: A hockey trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JayBlueshocker</b></div><div>His Dad isn't looking good right now, and doesn't have much time to live unfortunately. Barrie is a UFA in the offseason so we can sign him. We aren't giving Boeser away. This is an overextension, Benning blocks the Minny GM and laughs hysterically of the value.</div></div>

Barrie isn’t upgrade to Tanev in anyway but perhaps as a PP quarterback. But the Canucks have Hughes on PP1 and Myers on PP2. I’m not high on Myers, but he is better than Barrie in just about every way aside from pure offensive play, but barrier is worse 5-on-5 than Myers, he can’t help on the PK, and is redundant on the PP. plus he’s not a 1pairing guy on the Canucks.

Benning would be insane to sign him, period, let alone for what some team will give him this summer.