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Forum: Mock-Draft26 minutes ago
Thread: First 2024 Mock with Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Z0ra</b></div><div>Flames get: Shane Pinto, Erik Brannstrom, 8th pick, Joonas Korpisalo
Sens get: Jacob Markstrom</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Z0ra</b></div><div>Blackhawks get: 2nd pick, 2024 2nd round pick (via Canucks)
Kraken get: 4th pick</div></div>

I like the write-up...and draft analysis

On Markstrom, Pinto alone would be a steal for Calgary. Or the 8th overall pick alone would be as well.

If they are paying to move Korpisalo and are getting retention on Markstrom....maybe 8th/Korp for retained Marky.

On the Chicago/Seattle pick move -- the difference between #2 and #4 is probably more than a late 2nd pick. Its likely twice that.

According to the <a href="https://puckpedia.com/pickvalue" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Puckpedia Calculator</a>, the difference is equivalent to the #23 overall pick.
According to the <a href="https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2020/05/06155402/Screen-Shot-2020-05-05-at-4.55.33-PM.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Athletic Pick Value Chart</a>, the difference is equivalent to the #26 overall pick.
Forum: Armchair-GM2 hours ago
Thread: Offseason wishlist realistic internal signings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>Boston keeps him at that price and he has one last run while they use cap space to fill other voids.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>B’s will trade him, but n0t for 50 cents on the dollar. Change the 25 2nd to a 1st.</div></div>

There really isn't a history of that type of trade.


There have been four rental goalies, who alone have returned a 1st round pick

1. Bill Ranford (1/11/96): 1st (#19), Sean Brown, Mariusz Czerkawski
2. Dominik Hasek (7/1/01): Vyacheslav Kozlov, 2002 1st (#30)
3. Dwayne Roloson (3/8/06): 2006 1st (#17), conditional 2007 3rd
4. Darcy Kuemper (7/28/21): Conor Timmins, 2022 1st (#29), conditional 2024 3rd

(Both Ranford and Hasek had option years)
(All were sent to playoff teams)
(Only two were done over the summer...both to contenders)
(One was reigning Vezina winner, all four had been top-10 twice or more in recent years)


There have been three other goalies, who alone have returned 1st plus 2nd or 3rd

1. Tomas Vokoun (6/22/07): 2008 1st, 2007 2nd, 2008 2nd (had $5.7m x 4 years remaining)
2. Semyon Varlamov (7/1/11): 2012 1st, 2012 2nd (RFA, signed $2.83m x 3 year extension)
3. Frederik Andersen (6/20/16): 2016 1st, 2017 2nd (RFA, signed $5m x 5 year extension)

(all had extensions in place or term remaining)


There has been one other rental goalie, who have returned 1st or more, with other pieces attached, over the summer

1. Vesa Toskala (6/22/07): 2007 1st, 2nd , 4th (with Mark Bell) (rental)


There have been eight other goalies with term/control, who have returned 1st or more, with other pieces attached, over the summer

1. Don Edwards (6/8/82): 1982 1st (#9), 1983 1st, 1982 2nd (#30), 1983 2nd (with Richie Dunn, 1983 1st, 1982 2nd (#37))
2. Bob Janecyk (6/9/84): 1984 1st (#3), 1984 4th (with 1984 1st (#6), 1984 3rd, 1984 4th)
3. Rick Wamsley (6/9/84): 1984 1st (#8oa), 2nd (with 2nd, 2nd, 3rd)
4. Curtis Joseph (8/4/95): 1996 1st, 1997 1st (with Mike Grier)
5. Kevin Weekes (6/24/00): 2000 1st (#5oa), 4th (with 2nd)
6. Ron Tugnutt (6/18/02): 2002 1st (#20) (with 2002 2nd)
7. Cory Schneider (6/30/13): 2013 1st (#9)
8. Martin Jones (6/30/15): Sean Kuraly, 2016 1st


There have been five other goalies, who have returned 1st or more, with other pieces attached, during season

1. Roland Melanson (11/19/84): 1985 1st, (NYI option of flipping in 1985, 1986)
2. Ken Wregget (3/6/89): Two 1989 1sts
3. Grant Fuhr (2/2/93): Dave Andreychuk, Darren Puppa, 1993 1st (with 5th)
4. Ryan Miller (2/28/14): Chris Stewart, William Carrier, Jaroslav Halak, 2015 1st, 3rd (with Steve Ott) (rental)
5. Joonas Korpisalo (3/1/23): Jonathan Quick, 2023 1st, 3rd (with Vladislav Gavrikov) (rental)




In other words, Ullmark alone is unlikely to get a 1st rounder before 2024 draft, when he cannot have an extension attached. Maybe if Bruins attach another piece or wait until later in summer once his window to extend opens up. Or perhaps if he is dealt to a contender, where the pick will be known to be late. He also has a modified NTC, which limits his market potential.
Forum: Mock-Draft15 hours ago
Forum: Armchair-GM24 hours ago
Thread: Top Drafted Players in NCAA Transfer Portal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>they play lessor competition. Iron sharpens Iron as they say.
I don't know. If you are going to transfer out, why not attempt to get to other places. North Dakota for example. It seems there are better places to transfer if you can get in.
I know AZ is a lessor hockey school, that isn't a debate. It's like going to play in bowling green. I played there, love the school. But it's a hard road out from there. It's just not on the same level as programs like Denver Quinnipiac etc.. There are scales of the value of these programs, whether we want to admit it or not, and AZ is going backwards not forward. Not sure how I really feel about that.
Not going to claim I know what the coach at W does or doesn't do. I do watch a fair bit of NCAA hockey though and I know coming out the big10 is a better place to be.</div></div>

Big Ten is the best conference for developing a prospect...there is no doubt.

But Arizona State is not all that bad. Coyotes are gone. And they are joining NCHC next year (with 5-of-last-8 national champs, with Denver, North Dakota, UMD, CC).
Forum: Mock-DraftYesterday at 2:36 p.m.
Thread: Will Scouch List
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BDHockey</b></div><div>His lists are always interesting if nothing else. Relying too heavily on analytics will cause weird things to happen. I wonder how accurate his previous rankings have been.</div></div>

<strong>2020</strong> (actual)
1. Alexis Lafreniere (1)
2. Quinton Byfield (2)
3. Marco Rossi (9)
4. Lucas Raymond (4)
5. Tim Stutzle (3)

6. Cole Perfetti (10)
7. Jamie Drysdale (6)
8. Alexander Holtz (7)
9. Yaroslav Askarov (11)
10. Anton Lundell (12)

11. Rodion Amirov (15)
12. Marat Khusnutdinov (37)
13. Seth Jarvis (13)
14. Jake Sanderson (5)
15. Mavrik Bourque (30)

16. Dawson Mercer (18)
17. Dylan Holloway (14)
18. Noel Gunler (41)
19. Lukas Reichel (17)
20. William Wallinder (32)

21. Jacob Perreault (27)
22. Jack Quinn (8)
23. John-Jason Peterka (34)
24. Daniil Gushchin (76)
25. Ozzy Wiesblatt (31)

26. Connor Zary (24)
27. Jan Mysak (48)
28. Hendrix Lapierre (22)
29. Helge Grans (35)
30. Roni Hirvonen (59)


<strong>2021</strong> (actual)
1. Matthew Beniers (2)
2. William Eklund (7)
3. Jesper Wallstedt (20)
4. Fabian Lysell (21)
5. Luke Hughes (4)

6. Kent Johnson (5)
7. Owen Power (1)
8. Simon Edvinsson (6)
9. Brandt Clarke (8)
10. Dylan Guenther (9)

11. Mason McTavish (3)
12. Aatu Raty (52)
13. Fyodor Svechkov (19)
14. Logan Stankoven (47)
15. Cole Sillinger (12)

16. Simon Robertsson (71)
17. Isak Rosen (14)
18. Matthew Coronato (13)
19. Carson Lambos (26)
20. Chaz Lucius (18)

21. Scott Morrow (40)
22. Nikita Chibrikov (50)
23. Stanislav Svozil (69)
24. Sebastian Cossa (15)
25. Ville Koivunen (51)

26. Oskar Olausson (28)
27. Matthew Samoskevich (24)
28. Ayrton Martino (73)
29. William Stromgren (45)
30. Xavier Bourgault (22)


<strong>2022</strong> (actual)
1. Shane Wright (4)
2. Brad Lambert (30)
3. Logan Cooley (3)
4. David Jiricek (6)
5. Juraj Slafkovsky (1)

6. Cutter Gauthier (5)
7. Matthew Savoie (9)
8. Gleb Trikozov (60)
9. Seamus Casey (46)
10. Joakim Kemell (17)

11. Filip Mesar (26)
12. Simon Nemec (2)
13. Isaac Howard (31)
14. Liam Ohgren (19)
15. Frank Nazar (13)

16. Kevin Korchinski (7)
17. Vladimir Grudinin (156)
18. Pavel Mintyukov (10)
19. Danila Yurov (24)
20. Noah Ostlund (16)

21. Jonathan Lekkerimaki (15)
22. Owen Pickering (21)
23. Calle Odelius (65)
24. Jiri Kulich (28)
25. Conor Geekie (11)

26. Sam Rinzel (25)
27. Denton Mateychuk (12)
28. Jagger Firkus (35)
29. Paul Ludwinski (39)
30. Marco Kasper (8)