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Forum: Armchair-GM3 hours ago
Thread: Ranking players based on performance this year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PaulieWalnuts</b></div><div>I'd honestly swap McLeod and Tatar's positions straight up. Being good at faceoffs doesn't make up for getting caved in at 5 on 5.
Think you could swap Smith and Kuokkanen's places as well.
Overall decent, agree with the rest.



Especially with Blackwood.</div></div>

I figured someone would say something about McLeod.
I personally have been really impressed with him - he has accepted his role and improved at it.

Last year, he was still trying to stick-handle his way through guys. You could see he still wanted to be offensive center.
This year, he gets rid of it quickly. Has really matured.

Tatar has certainly improved as year as progressed, but I think he is at times a bit of a selfish player and that always kind of bothers me.
Forum: Armchair-GM4 hours ago
Thread: All in Deadline - Rough draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>And right here is your issue. Where someone was drafted is not related to the level of prospect they are. Debrincat for example, despite being a 2nd rounder was an A prospect. Knies and Robertson are there as well. Mook despite being a 1st rounder is a B prospect. Guys develop differently and to ignore everything past their draft slot is foolish</div></div>

When the scouting community uses "A-level" or "B-level" if roughly puts then in a tier relative to their piers. Its pretty normal nomenclature. So an "A-level" guy would be roughly one of the top-30 guys from his age cohort. Where they were actually drafted is insignificant (unless its draft day).

It comes from the central scouting bureau's listings, but is terminology used post-draft as well.

In other words, if Robertson's draft were being re-held today, and he were likely to be a 1st rounder, could call him an A-guy.
Forum: Armchair-GM4 hours ago
Thread: All in Deadline - Rough draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>They were <em>solid</em> B prospects at the time. More than nothing, and they had some upside but not anything like you're implying. A current comparable would be closer to Hirvonen and Abruzzese</div></div>

What am I implying? B-level prospect, using central scouting definition, is a 2nd or 3rd round player. That is pretty much what Robertson and Knies are now.

The Hockey News said that they Leafs had the #1 pipeline in 2018. But #19 today. Corey Pronman said #13 then, #21 now. Elite Prospects says #14 then, #15 now.

Hard to imagine the pipeline has improved as much as some claim here to suggest that Knies, Niemela, etc are significantly better that previous names on those lists.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 hours ago
Thread: All in Deadline - Rough draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vr1995</b></div><div>Quoting: NHLfan10506
Yeah, the price hasn't changed.



This is not far off.

Muzzin was traded in early 2019 for the Leafs 1st, the Leafs most recent 2nd round pick and the Leafs 2nd rounder from 2 years prior.

2019 1st round pick (TOR)
Sean Durzi (2018 2nd round pick)
Carl Grundstrom (2016 2nd round pick)

So apples-to-apples would be:

2022 1st round pick (TOR)
Matthew Knies (2021 2nd round pick)
Nick Robertson (2019 2nd round pick)

Yet...Leafs fans keep sending Holl + AHLer + mid-round pick.

(also, there is a premium paid for RHD...see...well, any RHD deal over past couple of years)

this was you the other day, youre making the <strong>same type of comparable</strong></div></div>

Emphasis on the bolded. I only knew they were two recent 2nd rounders. Saw the 2018 ranking today.

I don't think any of them crack the top level of prospects in NHL. Maybe Niemela gets there, considering his trajectory.

Here is how I <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2976967">ranked the Leafs top-5 prospects</a> recently.

46. Nick Robertson
59. Topi Niemela
75. Rodion Amirov
86. Matthew Knies
93. Veeti Miettinen

And for Devils...

7. Luke Hughes
8. Alexander Holtz
39. Shakir Mukhamadullin
44. Arseni Gritsyuk
89. Nolan Foote

Not asking for elite guys here